How can I convey and sustain a level of realism in a given horror campaign? [closed]
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How to convey to the players, beyond explicit statements (which sometimes doesn't work), a level of realism that you as GM expect for a given horror campaign? How could this level of realism be sustained after the campaign has begun?
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I ran a self-written, rule-agnostic adventure for several different groups of players. The adventure has a modern setting and is themed around supernatural horror.
Personally, it was my belief and guiding principle that horror can only be effective if its presentation is realistic enough such that threats feel genuine, and the participants' (players') decisions seem personal and significant.
In practice, I find some players to quickly immerse themselves in the realism, and behave in ways that is believable for real people in the modern world. (E.g., fleeing from writhing bedsheets in abandoned houses, staying in their broken-down vehicle to wait for rescue instead of risking their lives outside)
However, there are also occasions where players behave in unrealistic ways that rapidly kills the intended atmosphere--such as purposefully approaching eerie cave-mouths or trying to friendly communicate with mutant abominations that groan in half-articulate human speech.
It seems, for the latter case, that the players are behaving unrealistically because they have not fully understood the tone or style of the campaign--they approach the hearts of danger because that's what PCs are expected to do in classic fantasy; they try to talk to anything with the minimal capacity of speech because they see such things as NPCs to get information out of. In other words, they are operating within the cliches and expectation of a typical fantasy RPG, which is not suitable for my intended campaigns.
How can I make my players understand the level of realism I'm expecting, and how can I encourage them to behave according to that expectation? I have explicitly said to all players that I was aiming for realism, and that their PCs should not behave like they are in a video-game, but despite their hearty consents, not all of them act accordingly.
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TL;DR:
How to convey to the players, beyond explicit statements (which sometimes doesn't work), a level of realism that you as GM expect for a given horror campaign? How could this level of realism be sustained after the campaign has begun?
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I ran a self-written, rule-agnostic adventure for several different groups of players. The adventure has a modern setting and is themed around supernatural horror.
Personally, it was my belief and guiding principle that horror can only be effective if its presentation is realistic enough such that threats feel genuine, and the participants' (players') decisions seem personal and significant.
In practice, I find some players to quickly immerse themselves in the realism, and behave in ways that is believable for real people in the modern world. (E.g., fleeing from writhing bedsheets in abandoned houses, staying in their broken-down vehicle to wait for rescue instead of risking their lives outside)
However, there are also occasions where players behave in unrealistic ways that rapidly kills the intended atmosphere--such as purposefully approaching eerie cave-mouths or trying to friendly communicate with mutant abominations that groan in half-articulate human speech.
It seems, for the latter case, that the players are behaving unrealistically because they have not fully understood the tone or style of the campaign--they approach the hearts of danger because that's what PCs are expected to do in classic fantasy; they try to talk to anything with the minimal capacity of speech because they see such things as NPCs to get information out of. In other words, they are operating within the cliches and expectation of a typical fantasy RPG, which is not suitable for my intended campaigns.
How can I make my players understand the level of realism I'm expecting, and how can I encourage them to behave according to that expectation? I have explicitly said to all players that I was aiming for realism, and that their PCs should not behave like they are in a video-game, but despite their hearty consents, not all of them act accordingly.
gm-techniques system-agnostic roleplaying horror
closed as primarily opinion-based by mxyzplk♦ Dec 10 at 12:32
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I'm not sure "realism" is the key thing here. How do you define "realism" regarding players' actions? What makes "approaching eerie cave-mouths" or trying to "communicate with mutant abominations" unrealistic?
– enkryptor
Dec 10 at 0:29
Related rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/12469
– enkryptor
Dec 10 at 0:35
Would you consider adding or changing game mechanics a valid part of answer?
– Destruktor
Dec 10 at 0:44
@enkryptor Realism in PC action as resemblance to what is plausible for real people in the given situation. My examples did not come with all the relevant context, but I thought they were straight-forward enough.
– user289661
Dec 10 at 5:34
@Destruktor Yes.
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Dec 10 at 5:35
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TL;DR:
How to convey to the players, beyond explicit statements (which sometimes doesn't work), a level of realism that you as GM expect for a given horror campaign? How could this level of realism be sustained after the campaign has begun?
Particulars:
I ran a self-written, rule-agnostic adventure for several different groups of players. The adventure has a modern setting and is themed around supernatural horror.
Personally, it was my belief and guiding principle that horror can only be effective if its presentation is realistic enough such that threats feel genuine, and the participants' (players') decisions seem personal and significant.
In practice, I find some players to quickly immerse themselves in the realism, and behave in ways that is believable for real people in the modern world. (E.g., fleeing from writhing bedsheets in abandoned houses, staying in their broken-down vehicle to wait for rescue instead of risking their lives outside)
However, there are also occasions where players behave in unrealistic ways that rapidly kills the intended atmosphere--such as purposefully approaching eerie cave-mouths or trying to friendly communicate with mutant abominations that groan in half-articulate human speech.
It seems, for the latter case, that the players are behaving unrealistically because they have not fully understood the tone or style of the campaign--they approach the hearts of danger because that's what PCs are expected to do in classic fantasy; they try to talk to anything with the minimal capacity of speech because they see such things as NPCs to get information out of. In other words, they are operating within the cliches and expectation of a typical fantasy RPG, which is not suitable for my intended campaigns.
How can I make my players understand the level of realism I'm expecting, and how can I encourage them to behave according to that expectation? I have explicitly said to all players that I was aiming for realism, and that their PCs should not behave like they are in a video-game, but despite their hearty consents, not all of them act accordingly.
gm-techniques system-agnostic roleplaying horror
TL;DR:
How to convey to the players, beyond explicit statements (which sometimes doesn't work), a level of realism that you as GM expect for a given horror campaign? How could this level of realism be sustained after the campaign has begun?
Particulars:
I ran a self-written, rule-agnostic adventure for several different groups of players. The adventure has a modern setting and is themed around supernatural horror.
Personally, it was my belief and guiding principle that horror can only be effective if its presentation is realistic enough such that threats feel genuine, and the participants' (players') decisions seem personal and significant.
In practice, I find some players to quickly immerse themselves in the realism, and behave in ways that is believable for real people in the modern world. (E.g., fleeing from writhing bedsheets in abandoned houses, staying in their broken-down vehicle to wait for rescue instead of risking their lives outside)
However, there are also occasions where players behave in unrealistic ways that rapidly kills the intended atmosphere--such as purposefully approaching eerie cave-mouths or trying to friendly communicate with mutant abominations that groan in half-articulate human speech.
It seems, for the latter case, that the players are behaving unrealistically because they have not fully understood the tone or style of the campaign--they approach the hearts of danger because that's what PCs are expected to do in classic fantasy; they try to talk to anything with the minimal capacity of speech because they see such things as NPCs to get information out of. In other words, they are operating within the cliches and expectation of a typical fantasy RPG, which is not suitable for my intended campaigns.
How can I make my players understand the level of realism I'm expecting, and how can I encourage them to behave according to that expectation? I have explicitly said to all players that I was aiming for realism, and that their PCs should not behave like they are in a video-game, but despite their hearty consents, not all of them act accordingly.
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I'm not sure "realism" is the key thing here. How do you define "realism" regarding players' actions? What makes "approaching eerie cave-mouths" or trying to "communicate with mutant abominations" unrealistic?
– enkryptor
Dec 10 at 0:29
Related rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/12469
– enkryptor
Dec 10 at 0:35
Would you consider adding or changing game mechanics a valid part of answer?
– Destruktor
Dec 10 at 0:44
@enkryptor Realism in PC action as resemblance to what is plausible for real people in the given situation. My examples did not come with all the relevant context, but I thought they were straight-forward enough.
– user289661
Dec 10 at 5:34
@Destruktor Yes.
– user289661
Dec 10 at 5:35
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I'm not sure "realism" is the key thing here. How do you define "realism" regarding players' actions? What makes "approaching eerie cave-mouths" or trying to "communicate with mutant abominations" unrealistic?
– enkryptor
Dec 10 at 0:29
Related rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/12469
– enkryptor
Dec 10 at 0:35
Would you consider adding or changing game mechanics a valid part of answer?
– Destruktor
Dec 10 at 0:44
@enkryptor Realism in PC action as resemblance to what is plausible for real people in the given situation. My examples did not come with all the relevant context, but I thought they were straight-forward enough.
– user289661
Dec 10 at 5:34
@Destruktor Yes.
– user289661
Dec 10 at 5:35
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I'm not sure "realism" is the key thing here. How do you define "realism" regarding players' actions? What makes "approaching eerie cave-mouths" or trying to "communicate with mutant abominations" unrealistic?
– enkryptor
Dec 10 at 0:29
I'm not sure "realism" is the key thing here. How do you define "realism" regarding players' actions? What makes "approaching eerie cave-mouths" or trying to "communicate with mutant abominations" unrealistic?
– enkryptor
Dec 10 at 0:29
Related rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/12469
– enkryptor
Dec 10 at 0:35
Related rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/12469
– enkryptor
Dec 10 at 0:35
Would you consider adding or changing game mechanics a valid part of answer?
– Destruktor
Dec 10 at 0:44
Would you consider adding or changing game mechanics a valid part of answer?
– Destruktor
Dec 10 at 0:44
@enkryptor Realism in PC action as resemblance to what is plausible for real people in the given situation. My examples did not come with all the relevant context, but I thought they were straight-forward enough.
– user289661
Dec 10 at 5:34
@enkryptor Realism in PC action as resemblance to what is plausible for real people in the given situation. My examples did not come with all the relevant context, but I thought they were straight-forward enough.
– user289661
Dec 10 at 5:34
@Destruktor Yes.
– user289661
Dec 10 at 5:35
@Destruktor Yes.
– user289661
Dec 10 at 5:35
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Slasher-horror movies are about transgression and death.
This is wrapped up in the idea of horror movie as "cautionary tale", a kind of morality play where only the people who do the right thing can survive.
The problem is that every horror movie has its own morality. Is "the right thing to do" to remain in a safe place when you're in danger? Or is "the right thing to do" to be brave and try to save yourself, even if that means going somewhere scary? Is "the right thing to do" to scream and run away from something so obviously monstrous it can't be human? Or is "the right thing to do" to try and find the humanity inside someone, no matter how monstrous they seem?
Regardless of what the answers are, one definitely true thing about horror movies is that not everyone survives to the final credits. So if your players are all expecting a realistic world, and do something that would, realistically, get them killed? Pull the trigger. They may well be expecting to die entertainingly.
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The first thing to consider, is what sort of game does everybody want to play? Do you all want to play a survival-horror? Or do they just want to play an adventure hack-n-slash as a group of vagrant serial killers?
The second thing to consider is, to what degree are you willing to inflict the consequences, should players go the "wrong" way? Is it a "You try and talk to the monster, and it eats you", or are you going to try and advertise that the conversation they're having does not appear to be working, so it attacks instead, giving the players an escape?
If the group is well aware of the game they're meant to be playing, it's either a case of reminding them (perhaps out of character), that talking to Freddy or Jason is only going to end up with the PC in pieces:
"Hey Jill, that is a very good question, which would very likely lead to the evil creature's den, however, I don't think asking the giant monster that question is going to work. It's evil and it wants to kill you, remember?"
The other way to portray it is to potentially bring in an NPC. Make him the "Tough guy", you know the "jock that everyone likes", the "hot girl's" boyfriend. He meets up with the group (maybe they got lost, or managed to escape the evil thing's lair), and joins up with the party. He helps, gives them clues, proves his usefulness to them, only to unexpectedly, and very suddenly, be murdered by the Evil thing.
The final thing to consider is that these games are for fun. Players might take the game seriously, getting wrapped up in the adventure and story, but sometimes they might use it to blow off some steam - be crude, make jokes, and just enjoy themselves. This might detriment the atmosphere you're trying to create, but you can't expect them to enjoy a game they don't want to play.
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Simply put; consequences.
If you you think a character shouldn't/wouldn't do X, then if they do X make sure there's a 'realistic' consequence. This should ground anything they'll try to do in the reality of your world.
In the real world, people still do weird and silly things - but they almost always pay the price.
Trying to "friendly communicate with mutant abominations that groan in half-articulate human speech" would likely result in death unless they change their behaviour very quickly.
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Are you sure those are adventure-fantasy tropes the players are enacting? The examples you gave, at least, could instead be horror movie tropes.
- If the car breaks down outside a spooky mansion, horror fiction protagonists always leave the car and go to the mansion.
- If they find a dangerous-looking cave, they're going to check it out.
- If the killer might be in the basement, that's the first place they go when the power goes out.
- If they're up against Freddy Kruger, they'll deliberately go to sleep and face him in dreams where he appears to be all-powerful.
It may not be how real people would act in those situations, but it is how the protagonists of popular horror media behave. They have to (often stupidly) put themselves in danger in order to advance the plot. Your players may well be doing the same thing for the same reason, knowingly putting themselves in danger because they believe the apparent danger to be a plot hook.
If this is what's going on in your games, then you're likely to get results more in line with what you want if you can find a way to pitch the game which doesn't use the word "horror", so that players will come to you with more of a "realistic" mindset rather than expecting to play out a horror movie scenario.
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Your problem seems to be that not everyone shares your definition of "Realism".
Real people:
- disregard danger. You talk about eerie caves. People, especially young, like to explore interesting places. Some of them perish in the process, some come back impressed by their experience. For example, people that search abandoned buildings do that even if they look like they're gonna fall down on their heads.
- try to communicate when it might be dangerous and/or unpleasant. You say mutant horror, but is it that different from a homeless drunk? It's somewhat reasonable to expect both of them to lunge at you, but still, some people try to understand their situation and make it better. Sure, a story about players creating a hospice for mutants might not be very horrorish, but there's nothing unrealistic about it.
Basically, there's nothing unrealistic about being brave and kind. Or stupid, for that matter.
Maybe you have some sort of problem with roleplaying at your table? For example while an abstract human being can certainly approach a mutated abomination trying to find out if it can be helped, I wouldn't expect that behaviour from an alcoholic neighbor who hits his wife every now and then and chases kids off his lawn with a baseball bat.
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5 Answers
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Slasher-horror movies are about transgression and death.
This is wrapped up in the idea of horror movie as "cautionary tale", a kind of morality play where only the people who do the right thing can survive.
The problem is that every horror movie has its own morality. Is "the right thing to do" to remain in a safe place when you're in danger? Or is "the right thing to do" to be brave and try to save yourself, even if that means going somewhere scary? Is "the right thing to do" to scream and run away from something so obviously monstrous it can't be human? Or is "the right thing to do" to try and find the humanity inside someone, no matter how monstrous they seem?
Regardless of what the answers are, one definitely true thing about horror movies is that not everyone survives to the final credits. So if your players are all expecting a realistic world, and do something that would, realistically, get them killed? Pull the trigger. They may well be expecting to die entertainingly.
add a comment |
up vote
14
down vote
accepted
Slasher-horror movies are about transgression and death.
This is wrapped up in the idea of horror movie as "cautionary tale", a kind of morality play where only the people who do the right thing can survive.
The problem is that every horror movie has its own morality. Is "the right thing to do" to remain in a safe place when you're in danger? Or is "the right thing to do" to be brave and try to save yourself, even if that means going somewhere scary? Is "the right thing to do" to scream and run away from something so obviously monstrous it can't be human? Or is "the right thing to do" to try and find the humanity inside someone, no matter how monstrous they seem?
Regardless of what the answers are, one definitely true thing about horror movies is that not everyone survives to the final credits. So if your players are all expecting a realistic world, and do something that would, realistically, get them killed? Pull the trigger. They may well be expecting to die entertainingly.
add a comment |
up vote
14
down vote
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up vote
14
down vote
accepted
Slasher-horror movies are about transgression and death.
This is wrapped up in the idea of horror movie as "cautionary tale", a kind of morality play where only the people who do the right thing can survive.
The problem is that every horror movie has its own morality. Is "the right thing to do" to remain in a safe place when you're in danger? Or is "the right thing to do" to be brave and try to save yourself, even if that means going somewhere scary? Is "the right thing to do" to scream and run away from something so obviously monstrous it can't be human? Or is "the right thing to do" to try and find the humanity inside someone, no matter how monstrous they seem?
Regardless of what the answers are, one definitely true thing about horror movies is that not everyone survives to the final credits. So if your players are all expecting a realistic world, and do something that would, realistically, get them killed? Pull the trigger. They may well be expecting to die entertainingly.
Slasher-horror movies are about transgression and death.
This is wrapped up in the idea of horror movie as "cautionary tale", a kind of morality play where only the people who do the right thing can survive.
The problem is that every horror movie has its own morality. Is "the right thing to do" to remain in a safe place when you're in danger? Or is "the right thing to do" to be brave and try to save yourself, even if that means going somewhere scary? Is "the right thing to do" to scream and run away from something so obviously monstrous it can't be human? Or is "the right thing to do" to try and find the humanity inside someone, no matter how monstrous they seem?
Regardless of what the answers are, one definitely true thing about horror movies is that not everyone survives to the final credits. So if your players are all expecting a realistic world, and do something that would, realistically, get them killed? Pull the trigger. They may well be expecting to die entertainingly.
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The first thing to consider, is what sort of game does everybody want to play? Do you all want to play a survival-horror? Or do they just want to play an adventure hack-n-slash as a group of vagrant serial killers?
The second thing to consider is, to what degree are you willing to inflict the consequences, should players go the "wrong" way? Is it a "You try and talk to the monster, and it eats you", or are you going to try and advertise that the conversation they're having does not appear to be working, so it attacks instead, giving the players an escape?
If the group is well aware of the game they're meant to be playing, it's either a case of reminding them (perhaps out of character), that talking to Freddy or Jason is only going to end up with the PC in pieces:
"Hey Jill, that is a very good question, which would very likely lead to the evil creature's den, however, I don't think asking the giant monster that question is going to work. It's evil and it wants to kill you, remember?"
The other way to portray it is to potentially bring in an NPC. Make him the "Tough guy", you know the "jock that everyone likes", the "hot girl's" boyfriend. He meets up with the group (maybe they got lost, or managed to escape the evil thing's lair), and joins up with the party. He helps, gives them clues, proves his usefulness to them, only to unexpectedly, and very suddenly, be murdered by the Evil thing.
The final thing to consider is that these games are for fun. Players might take the game seriously, getting wrapped up in the adventure and story, but sometimes they might use it to blow off some steam - be crude, make jokes, and just enjoy themselves. This might detriment the atmosphere you're trying to create, but you can't expect them to enjoy a game they don't want to play.
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The first thing to consider, is what sort of game does everybody want to play? Do you all want to play a survival-horror? Or do they just want to play an adventure hack-n-slash as a group of vagrant serial killers?
The second thing to consider is, to what degree are you willing to inflict the consequences, should players go the "wrong" way? Is it a "You try and talk to the monster, and it eats you", or are you going to try and advertise that the conversation they're having does not appear to be working, so it attacks instead, giving the players an escape?
If the group is well aware of the game they're meant to be playing, it's either a case of reminding them (perhaps out of character), that talking to Freddy or Jason is only going to end up with the PC in pieces:
"Hey Jill, that is a very good question, which would very likely lead to the evil creature's den, however, I don't think asking the giant monster that question is going to work. It's evil and it wants to kill you, remember?"
The other way to portray it is to potentially bring in an NPC. Make him the "Tough guy", you know the "jock that everyone likes", the "hot girl's" boyfriend. He meets up with the group (maybe they got lost, or managed to escape the evil thing's lair), and joins up with the party. He helps, gives them clues, proves his usefulness to them, only to unexpectedly, and very suddenly, be murdered by the Evil thing.
The final thing to consider is that these games are for fun. Players might take the game seriously, getting wrapped up in the adventure and story, but sometimes they might use it to blow off some steam - be crude, make jokes, and just enjoy themselves. This might detriment the atmosphere you're trying to create, but you can't expect them to enjoy a game they don't want to play.
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The first thing to consider, is what sort of game does everybody want to play? Do you all want to play a survival-horror? Or do they just want to play an adventure hack-n-slash as a group of vagrant serial killers?
The second thing to consider is, to what degree are you willing to inflict the consequences, should players go the "wrong" way? Is it a "You try and talk to the monster, and it eats you", or are you going to try and advertise that the conversation they're having does not appear to be working, so it attacks instead, giving the players an escape?
If the group is well aware of the game they're meant to be playing, it's either a case of reminding them (perhaps out of character), that talking to Freddy or Jason is only going to end up with the PC in pieces:
"Hey Jill, that is a very good question, which would very likely lead to the evil creature's den, however, I don't think asking the giant monster that question is going to work. It's evil and it wants to kill you, remember?"
The other way to portray it is to potentially bring in an NPC. Make him the "Tough guy", you know the "jock that everyone likes", the "hot girl's" boyfriend. He meets up with the group (maybe they got lost, or managed to escape the evil thing's lair), and joins up with the party. He helps, gives them clues, proves his usefulness to them, only to unexpectedly, and very suddenly, be murdered by the Evil thing.
The final thing to consider is that these games are for fun. Players might take the game seriously, getting wrapped up in the adventure and story, but sometimes they might use it to blow off some steam - be crude, make jokes, and just enjoy themselves. This might detriment the atmosphere you're trying to create, but you can't expect them to enjoy a game they don't want to play.
The first thing to consider, is what sort of game does everybody want to play? Do you all want to play a survival-horror? Or do they just want to play an adventure hack-n-slash as a group of vagrant serial killers?
The second thing to consider is, to what degree are you willing to inflict the consequences, should players go the "wrong" way? Is it a "You try and talk to the monster, and it eats you", or are you going to try and advertise that the conversation they're having does not appear to be working, so it attacks instead, giving the players an escape?
If the group is well aware of the game they're meant to be playing, it's either a case of reminding them (perhaps out of character), that talking to Freddy or Jason is only going to end up with the PC in pieces:
"Hey Jill, that is a very good question, which would very likely lead to the evil creature's den, however, I don't think asking the giant monster that question is going to work. It's evil and it wants to kill you, remember?"
The other way to portray it is to potentially bring in an NPC. Make him the "Tough guy", you know the "jock that everyone likes", the "hot girl's" boyfriend. He meets up with the group (maybe they got lost, or managed to escape the evil thing's lair), and joins up with the party. He helps, gives them clues, proves his usefulness to them, only to unexpectedly, and very suddenly, be murdered by the Evil thing.
The final thing to consider is that these games are for fun. Players might take the game seriously, getting wrapped up in the adventure and story, but sometimes they might use it to blow off some steam - be crude, make jokes, and just enjoy themselves. This might detriment the atmosphere you're trying to create, but you can't expect them to enjoy a game they don't want to play.
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Simply put; consequences.
If you you think a character shouldn't/wouldn't do X, then if they do X make sure there's a 'realistic' consequence. This should ground anything they'll try to do in the reality of your world.
In the real world, people still do weird and silly things - but they almost always pay the price.
Trying to "friendly communicate with mutant abominations that groan in half-articulate human speech" would likely result in death unless they change their behaviour very quickly.
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Simply put; consequences.
If you you think a character shouldn't/wouldn't do X, then if they do X make sure there's a 'realistic' consequence. This should ground anything they'll try to do in the reality of your world.
In the real world, people still do weird and silly things - but they almost always pay the price.
Trying to "friendly communicate with mutant abominations that groan in half-articulate human speech" would likely result in death unless they change their behaviour very quickly.
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up vote
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Simply put; consequences.
If you you think a character shouldn't/wouldn't do X, then if they do X make sure there's a 'realistic' consequence. This should ground anything they'll try to do in the reality of your world.
In the real world, people still do weird and silly things - but they almost always pay the price.
Trying to "friendly communicate with mutant abominations that groan in half-articulate human speech" would likely result in death unless they change their behaviour very quickly.
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Simply put; consequences.
If you you think a character shouldn't/wouldn't do X, then if they do X make sure there's a 'realistic' consequence. This should ground anything they'll try to do in the reality of your world.
In the real world, people still do weird and silly things - but they almost always pay the price.
Trying to "friendly communicate with mutant abominations that groan in half-articulate human speech" would likely result in death unless they change their behaviour very quickly.
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answered Dec 10 at 1:59
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Are you sure those are adventure-fantasy tropes the players are enacting? The examples you gave, at least, could instead be horror movie tropes.
- If the car breaks down outside a spooky mansion, horror fiction protagonists always leave the car and go to the mansion.
- If they find a dangerous-looking cave, they're going to check it out.
- If the killer might be in the basement, that's the first place they go when the power goes out.
- If they're up against Freddy Kruger, they'll deliberately go to sleep and face him in dreams where he appears to be all-powerful.
It may not be how real people would act in those situations, but it is how the protagonists of popular horror media behave. They have to (often stupidly) put themselves in danger in order to advance the plot. Your players may well be doing the same thing for the same reason, knowingly putting themselves in danger because they believe the apparent danger to be a plot hook.
If this is what's going on in your games, then you're likely to get results more in line with what you want if you can find a way to pitch the game which doesn't use the word "horror", so that players will come to you with more of a "realistic" mindset rather than expecting to play out a horror movie scenario.
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Are you sure those are adventure-fantasy tropes the players are enacting? The examples you gave, at least, could instead be horror movie tropes.
- If the car breaks down outside a spooky mansion, horror fiction protagonists always leave the car and go to the mansion.
- If they find a dangerous-looking cave, they're going to check it out.
- If the killer might be in the basement, that's the first place they go when the power goes out.
- If they're up against Freddy Kruger, they'll deliberately go to sleep and face him in dreams where he appears to be all-powerful.
It may not be how real people would act in those situations, but it is how the protagonists of popular horror media behave. They have to (often stupidly) put themselves in danger in order to advance the plot. Your players may well be doing the same thing for the same reason, knowingly putting themselves in danger because they believe the apparent danger to be a plot hook.
If this is what's going on in your games, then you're likely to get results more in line with what you want if you can find a way to pitch the game which doesn't use the word "horror", so that players will come to you with more of a "realistic" mindset rather than expecting to play out a horror movie scenario.
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Are you sure those are adventure-fantasy tropes the players are enacting? The examples you gave, at least, could instead be horror movie tropes.
- If the car breaks down outside a spooky mansion, horror fiction protagonists always leave the car and go to the mansion.
- If they find a dangerous-looking cave, they're going to check it out.
- If the killer might be in the basement, that's the first place they go when the power goes out.
- If they're up against Freddy Kruger, they'll deliberately go to sleep and face him in dreams where he appears to be all-powerful.
It may not be how real people would act in those situations, but it is how the protagonists of popular horror media behave. They have to (often stupidly) put themselves in danger in order to advance the plot. Your players may well be doing the same thing for the same reason, knowingly putting themselves in danger because they believe the apparent danger to be a plot hook.
If this is what's going on in your games, then you're likely to get results more in line with what you want if you can find a way to pitch the game which doesn't use the word "horror", so that players will come to you with more of a "realistic" mindset rather than expecting to play out a horror movie scenario.
Are you sure those are adventure-fantasy tropes the players are enacting? The examples you gave, at least, could instead be horror movie tropes.
- If the car breaks down outside a spooky mansion, horror fiction protagonists always leave the car and go to the mansion.
- If they find a dangerous-looking cave, they're going to check it out.
- If the killer might be in the basement, that's the first place they go when the power goes out.
- If they're up against Freddy Kruger, they'll deliberately go to sleep and face him in dreams where he appears to be all-powerful.
It may not be how real people would act in those situations, but it is how the protagonists of popular horror media behave. They have to (often stupidly) put themselves in danger in order to advance the plot. Your players may well be doing the same thing for the same reason, knowingly putting themselves in danger because they believe the apparent danger to be a plot hook.
If this is what's going on in your games, then you're likely to get results more in line with what you want if you can find a way to pitch the game which doesn't use the word "horror", so that players will come to you with more of a "realistic" mindset rather than expecting to play out a horror movie scenario.
answered Dec 10 at 10:35
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Your problem seems to be that not everyone shares your definition of "Realism".
Real people:
- disregard danger. You talk about eerie caves. People, especially young, like to explore interesting places. Some of them perish in the process, some come back impressed by their experience. For example, people that search abandoned buildings do that even if they look like they're gonna fall down on their heads.
- try to communicate when it might be dangerous and/or unpleasant. You say mutant horror, but is it that different from a homeless drunk? It's somewhat reasonable to expect both of them to lunge at you, but still, some people try to understand their situation and make it better. Sure, a story about players creating a hospice for mutants might not be very horrorish, but there's nothing unrealistic about it.
Basically, there's nothing unrealistic about being brave and kind. Or stupid, for that matter.
Maybe you have some sort of problem with roleplaying at your table? For example while an abstract human being can certainly approach a mutated abomination trying to find out if it can be helped, I wouldn't expect that behaviour from an alcoholic neighbor who hits his wife every now and then and chases kids off his lawn with a baseball bat.
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Your problem seems to be that not everyone shares your definition of "Realism".
Real people:
- disregard danger. You talk about eerie caves. People, especially young, like to explore interesting places. Some of them perish in the process, some come back impressed by their experience. For example, people that search abandoned buildings do that even if they look like they're gonna fall down on their heads.
- try to communicate when it might be dangerous and/or unpleasant. You say mutant horror, but is it that different from a homeless drunk? It's somewhat reasonable to expect both of them to lunge at you, but still, some people try to understand their situation and make it better. Sure, a story about players creating a hospice for mutants might not be very horrorish, but there's nothing unrealistic about it.
Basically, there's nothing unrealistic about being brave and kind. Or stupid, for that matter.
Maybe you have some sort of problem with roleplaying at your table? For example while an abstract human being can certainly approach a mutated abomination trying to find out if it can be helped, I wouldn't expect that behaviour from an alcoholic neighbor who hits his wife every now and then and chases kids off his lawn with a baseball bat.
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Your problem seems to be that not everyone shares your definition of "Realism".
Real people:
- disregard danger. You talk about eerie caves. People, especially young, like to explore interesting places. Some of them perish in the process, some come back impressed by their experience. For example, people that search abandoned buildings do that even if they look like they're gonna fall down on their heads.
- try to communicate when it might be dangerous and/or unpleasant. You say mutant horror, but is it that different from a homeless drunk? It's somewhat reasonable to expect both of them to lunge at you, but still, some people try to understand their situation and make it better. Sure, a story about players creating a hospice for mutants might not be very horrorish, but there's nothing unrealistic about it.
Basically, there's nothing unrealistic about being brave and kind. Or stupid, for that matter.
Maybe you have some sort of problem with roleplaying at your table? For example while an abstract human being can certainly approach a mutated abomination trying to find out if it can be helped, I wouldn't expect that behaviour from an alcoholic neighbor who hits his wife every now and then and chases kids off his lawn with a baseball bat.
Your problem seems to be that not everyone shares your definition of "Realism".
Real people:
- disregard danger. You talk about eerie caves. People, especially young, like to explore interesting places. Some of them perish in the process, some come back impressed by their experience. For example, people that search abandoned buildings do that even if they look like they're gonna fall down on their heads.
- try to communicate when it might be dangerous and/or unpleasant. You say mutant horror, but is it that different from a homeless drunk? It's somewhat reasonable to expect both of them to lunge at you, but still, some people try to understand their situation and make it better. Sure, a story about players creating a hospice for mutants might not be very horrorish, but there's nothing unrealistic about it.
Basically, there's nothing unrealistic about being brave and kind. Or stupid, for that matter.
Maybe you have some sort of problem with roleplaying at your table? For example while an abstract human being can certainly approach a mutated abomination trying to find out if it can be helped, I wouldn't expect that behaviour from an alcoholic neighbor who hits his wife every now and then and chases kids off his lawn with a baseball bat.
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I'm not sure "realism" is the key thing here. How do you define "realism" regarding players' actions? What makes "approaching eerie cave-mouths" or trying to "communicate with mutant abominations" unrealistic?
– enkryptor
Dec 10 at 0:29
Related rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/12469
– enkryptor
Dec 10 at 0:35
Would you consider adding or changing game mechanics a valid part of answer?
– Destruktor
Dec 10 at 0:44
@enkryptor Realism in PC action as resemblance to what is plausible for real people in the given situation. My examples did not come with all the relevant context, but I thought they were straight-forward enough.
– user289661
Dec 10 at 5:34
@Destruktor Yes.
– user289661
Dec 10 at 5:35