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In many of my undergraduate classes, professors required up to date editions of textbooks. This was across a number of subjects from Computer Science to Accounting and across introductory and more intermediate levels.
What is motivating new editions of textbooks? Are professors who published contractually obligated to publish new editions? Are they incorporating student feedback?
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In many of my undergraduate classes, professors required up to date editions of textbooks. This was across a number of subjects from Computer Science to Accounting and across introductory and more intermediate levels.
What is motivating new editions of textbooks? Are professors who published contractually obligated to publish new editions? Are they incorporating student feedback?
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Are they incorporating student feedback? Sometimes you can tell by reading the acknowledgements
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2 days ago
Related: What subjects benefit from textbook editions?
– Stephan Kolassa
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Sometimes the rate of people buying the book gets slower and the release of a new version prompts more purchases.
– dalearn
yesterday
Fixing typos and errors for example.
– mathreadler
yesterday
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if there are no actual objective improvements, greed ...
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In many of my undergraduate classes, professors required up to date editions of textbooks. This was across a number of subjects from Computer Science to Accounting and across introductory and more intermediate levels.
What is motivating new editions of textbooks? Are professors who published contractually obligated to publish new editions? Are they incorporating student feedback?
books publishers
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In many of my undergraduate classes, professors required up to date editions of textbooks. This was across a number of subjects from Computer Science to Accounting and across introductory and more intermediate levels.
What is motivating new editions of textbooks? Are professors who published contractually obligated to publish new editions? Are they incorporating student feedback?
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Are they incorporating student feedback? Sometimes you can tell by reading the acknowledgements
– user2768
2 days ago
Related: What subjects benefit from textbook editions?
– Stephan Kolassa
yesterday
2
Sometimes the rate of people buying the book gets slower and the release of a new version prompts more purchases.
– dalearn
yesterday
Fixing typos and errors for example.
– mathreadler
yesterday
2
if there are no actual objective improvements, greed ...
– Jarrod Roberson
yesterday
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show 3 more comments
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Are they incorporating student feedback? Sometimes you can tell by reading the acknowledgements
– user2768
2 days ago
Related: What subjects benefit from textbook editions?
– Stephan Kolassa
yesterday
2
Sometimes the rate of people buying the book gets slower and the release of a new version prompts more purchases.
– dalearn
yesterday
Fixing typos and errors for example.
– mathreadler
yesterday
2
if there are no actual objective improvements, greed ...
– Jarrod Roberson
yesterday
4
4
Are they incorporating student feedback? Sometimes you can tell by reading the acknowledgements
– user2768
2 days ago
Are they incorporating student feedback? Sometimes you can tell by reading the acknowledgements
– user2768
2 days ago
Related: What subjects benefit from textbook editions?
– Stephan Kolassa
yesterday
Related: What subjects benefit from textbook editions?
– Stephan Kolassa
yesterday
2
2
Sometimes the rate of people buying the book gets slower and the release of a new version prompts more purchases.
– dalearn
yesterday
Sometimes the rate of people buying the book gets slower and the release of a new version prompts more purchases.
– dalearn
yesterday
Fixing typos and errors for example.
– mathreadler
yesterday
Fixing typos and errors for example.
– mathreadler
yesterday
2
2
if there are no actual objective improvements, greed ...
– Jarrod Roberson
yesterday
if there are no actual objective improvements, greed ...
– Jarrod Roberson
yesterday
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Publishers want new editions so that they can make money selling copies of the new edition and reduce the market for used copies. The new edition might be significantly updated, but in many cases the updates are small. For textbooks in lower division general education courses, new editions come out as often as every three years.
It's quite common for textbook publishing contracts to include clauses that give the authors right of first refusal to produce an updated edition but allow the publisher to add a new coauthor and produce a new edition if the authors are unwilling to do so.
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@VladimirF - The motivation is that of the colleges to help sell the books, written by their employees, that they own the rights to. See also, Spaceballs Two: The Search for More Money.
– Mazura
2 days ago
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@Mazura, sorry, but I don't know of any textbooks that any college has any rights to. The authors don't give up anything to their universities. Or at least I've never heard of any such case.
– Buffy
2 days ago
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@VladimirF, I think the usual motivation is that new editions have new exercises and the prof wants to assign them by chapter and number. Everyone having the same edition, whether new or not, makes this simple.
– Buffy
2 days ago
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@Mazura In fact, from a financial standpoint universities would rather their faculty not write books because it detracts from research time, something which does bring them money in the form of overhead. A number of authors I know had to take a sabbatical to work on a book, which is a cost to the university.
– user71659
2 days ago
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I work in the textbook publishing industry. This answer is 100% correct.
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There're many possible reasons for writing a new edition:
- New discoveries in the field (e.g. detection of gravitational waves)
- Removing outdated material (e.g. if an exercise question involved a lecturer using transparencies, it would make sense to switch to a lecturer using Power Point)
- Change in syllabus (e.g. new discovery means courses should cover that, and to make room, another topic is removed)
- Student feedback (as you mentioned)
Authors are not usually obliged contractually to produce a new edition. At most, they might be contractually obliged to publish new editions with the same publisher.
But what is the motivation of requiring the most recent editions from students, (except increasing the shares from new sales)?
– Vladimir F
2 days ago
@VladimirF that's a question for the professor to answer. Presumably he/she thinks the new material is worth it.
– Allure
2 days ago
@Allure Vladimir seems to have posted the same comment / question in every possible place...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
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@VladimirF the question doesn't ask that though? The first sentence isn't a question.
– Allure
2 days ago
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@VladimirF One major reason is that often the exercises will have been reordered (as well as new ones added), which makes it very impractical to refer to exercises across versions. But there is usually no way to reasonably ask the students to all use an older version, as these will not be available through the usual means, and requiring all students to go through second hand sources for the text book is not reasonable.
– Tobias Kildetoft
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I am an author currently updating a textbook. It's been out for several years. Many of the exercises are based on "current news" - what was current then is not current now. While updating the exercises I've found more places than I had anticipated where I see ways to say things better.
I am arranging the new version so that a second hand copy of the old version will still work. Exercises I've removed will be available on the web with their original numbers, new exercise numbers start where the old ones left off.
To answer the more general question: I think that the point of many new editions is new revenue.
"I am arranging the new version so that a second hand copy of the old version will still work" - Bravo!! Will the new questions be published on the web? (so that the poor kid/cheapskate with an old edition can do them when the teacher sets new questions.)
– Martin Bonner
17 hours ago
@MartinBonner I hadn't thought of that, figuring instructors could make them available as needed. But it would be easy to do and now I probably will.
– Ethan Bolker
16 hours ago
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When sales start to lag on a popular title, publishers want a refresh. They want to try to boost sales back to where they were. Adding a chapter on new material is relatively easy. Adding or changing exercises makes it harder to use older editions for adopters.
Note that authors normally give up copyright to the material so publishers are free to leave authors behind in the preparation of a new edition, but are unlikely to do so even in the absence of a contract. This is because adopters often (usually?) associate the book with its author as much or more than with its title. So including the author has value. But, as Brian Borchers says, there is usually language in the contract about this.
I think it is very unlikely that student feedback is used in the preparation of a new edition, other than from students of the authors. But book representatives (acquisition editors) usually attend professional conferences and ask for feedback on books from attendees. They will also sometimes poll adopters of the book to get feedback and this can be given to the author to aid in the preparation of the next edition. Some of that feedback is contradictory, however, and some is contrary to the ideas of the authors.
In fact, some acquisition editors will ask for feedback on the (popular) books of competitors to learn why those books were chosen instead of their own.
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Have you ever been involved in someone teaching a lecture from a "script"? I don't know if there is a specific English term for this, I mean that the teacher/professor collates the material beforehand without publishing it in a book form, and makes it available to students.
If you see this being done year afer year, you will see what kind of changes are made.
The importance/length of sections is changed relative to each other, due to changing emphasis, the need to make space for new material, and the time needed by the professor and/or students to get through a section
practical problems are changed to be more understandable, new problems are added, etc.
material that was difficult to bring across is rewritten to be presented in a new way
small new discoveries are mentioned, such as using the results of nifty new studies as examples that emphasize a point
corrections are made, since there are usually errors at the beginning
I would say that textbooks go through similar changes between editions. This is entirely normal - a large and complicated artefact like a textbook is best created in an iterative manner, not unlike a software programm.
Major discoveries in the field are much less likely to trigger a new edition. First, the future impact of many discoveries is not recognizable when they are made, and they linger in some small journal before the discipline notices them and makes something out of them.
Second, even when something is recognizably new and different, and excites scientists, it is still not "fleshed out" enough to be taught to students, since it doesn't yet have its own ecosystem supporting literature, successful application in large projects, whatever. Third, the kind of professor who gets to publish a textbook is usually old, experienced - and set in his ways. If he dedicated his life to building superconductors out of metal alloys, and some young upshot shows that graphene can be used in a superconductor, the professor will wait for a few years whether that new technology (which is in direct competition to his own research) will establish itself, before starting to give it space in his textbook.
I think there are a few exceptions to that "discoveries percolate slowly into textbooks" tendency, for example I heard somewhere that CRISPR/CAS entered general genetics textbooks rather quickly. But it is much more typical, especially in undergraduate level textbooks, that changes between editions are incremental improvements of existing material.
There are also some fields where the changes are very impactful. This happens in fields which study human-created rule systems, typically law, but also accounting. In a law textbook, a subset of laws changes every year, and their interpretation by courts also changes with new case decisions. The new editions of textbooks have to reflect these changes.
A reason for professors to want the newest edition (beside monetary ones) is simply that it makes it easier to teach. With a class where the students use multiple editions at once, there will be difference in the text, but especially also in the problems. Making sure that everybody reads the same text, or is solving the same problem when homework is given, is a huge headache if students use different editions.
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They can update a book for several reasons:
1) new material,
2) updating material (addition or removal), chapters or sections based on feedback - changing the order of sections
3) more examples with solutions and/or practice problems with or without solutions
So technical books are updated as necessary but they are not done for lucrative reasons - fiction authors sell more copies and do make money... technical books don’t sell in the same numbers...
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Textbook publishing can actually be quite lucrative when it comes to textbooks used in lower division general education courses (think "College Algebra" or "Introductory Statiatics". "Calculus" is pretty advanced by this standard.)
– Brian Borchers
Apr 9 at 4:17
@BrianBorchers so you match copy numbers of someone like Lee Childs? Author of the Jack Reacher books... Also there tend to be several "introductory" texts each competing for the same limited market...
– Solar Mike
Apr 9 at 4:20
But what is the motivation of requiring the most recent editions from students, (except increasing the shares from new sales)?
– Vladimir F
2 days ago
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@VladimirF so when you refer to an example question or set of problems or specific text in a chapter, all students have the same information...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike: Quantity is not the sole determinant of profit, the margin on each book is just as important, and margin on textbooks is much higher (especially if the "number of copies" for the fiction work includes mass market paperback)
– Ben Voigt
2 days ago
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- Error corrections. Somebody pointed to a typo or more serious error, this is corrected. Teaching a course can be difficult if some students have the errors and some have the corrections.
- Media rights. An image might have been licensed for the initial print run, it is not possible to renew the license. Or there never was a license to start with, things were more sloppy in previous decades. An image might have been licensed for print only and now they want a digital edition, too.
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In something like English, clearly the field is not changing hugely -- incorporating technology has been done pretty well. (Although I want to update a book I used in Tech Writing because it was pre-google docs, and assumed emailing around a single document, taking turns editing.)
Mostly instructors find other approaches that work, and they want to create a text to allow other instructors to use the same one.
I often would incorporate a chapter from a textbook I had a sample from, while my main text for the class stayed the same. I didn't outright steal (Xerox or scan it in), but I'd take the organization of the information for that chapter, and make a presentation (PPT) based on that, and come up with my own examples, and find exercises in my existing text that could be adapted. This was a tech-writing class, and that other book went into more depth on layout topics and strategies. To get even a portion of that book for the class (I wrote the publisher and asked for a 2-3 chapter excerpt) would have been $30/copy, and my main book in that class is only $30ish already. If my preferred text lacked adaptable examples though, then I may have switched or added in that supplement fully.
Some teachers in my department ADORED a text that gave a lot of "models" for how to do academic writing, but I despised it. So I'm glad other people had created books that focused more on the analysis and deep-thinking parts of the writing process. So while not new editions, they were various approaches being represented. (I did stop using one ENGL 100 book when 3rd edition was 250ish pages, but by 6th, it was 550 -- each individual change made sense, but it was overall too overwhelming for a student to cope with.)
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20 or so years ago while in the army, we had some rule book (The Rules of Military Discipline, printed in 1965 I think) which were erata-ed the hard way: new text written by typing machine, cut and pasted (glued) over the old text.
As another example, children today learn Mathematics at least one year earlier than I did in the eighties, so new manuals are necessary. Also, the things that MUST be studied (government mandates what) change - if not every year, then at least once every four. While dealing with things that disappear from the manual is easy (just ignore them), the changes are all ADDING things.
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Publishers want new editions so that they can make money selling copies of the new edition and reduce the market for used copies. The new edition might be significantly updated, but in many cases the updates are small. For textbooks in lower division general education courses, new editions come out as often as every three years.
It's quite common for textbook publishing contracts to include clauses that give the authors right of first refusal to produce an updated edition but allow the publisher to add a new coauthor and produce a new edition if the authors are unwilling to do so.
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@VladimirF - The motivation is that of the colleges to help sell the books, written by their employees, that they own the rights to. See also, Spaceballs Two: The Search for More Money.
– Mazura
2 days ago
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@Mazura, sorry, but I don't know of any textbooks that any college has any rights to. The authors don't give up anything to their universities. Or at least I've never heard of any such case.
– Buffy
2 days ago
12
@VladimirF, I think the usual motivation is that new editions have new exercises and the prof wants to assign them by chapter and number. Everyone having the same edition, whether new or not, makes this simple.
– Buffy
2 days ago
1
@Mazura In fact, from a financial standpoint universities would rather their faculty not write books because it detracts from research time, something which does bring them money in the form of overhead. A number of authors I know had to take a sabbatical to work on a book, which is a cost to the university.
– user71659
2 days ago
12
I work in the textbook publishing industry. This answer is 100% correct.
– barbecue
2 days ago
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Publishers want new editions so that they can make money selling copies of the new edition and reduce the market for used copies. The new edition might be significantly updated, but in many cases the updates are small. For textbooks in lower division general education courses, new editions come out as often as every three years.
It's quite common for textbook publishing contracts to include clauses that give the authors right of first refusal to produce an updated edition but allow the publisher to add a new coauthor and produce a new edition if the authors are unwilling to do so.
6
@VladimirF - The motivation is that of the colleges to help sell the books, written by their employees, that they own the rights to. See also, Spaceballs Two: The Search for More Money.
– Mazura
2 days ago
10
@Mazura, sorry, but I don't know of any textbooks that any college has any rights to. The authors don't give up anything to their universities. Or at least I've never heard of any such case.
– Buffy
2 days ago
12
@VladimirF, I think the usual motivation is that new editions have new exercises and the prof wants to assign them by chapter and number. Everyone having the same edition, whether new or not, makes this simple.
– Buffy
2 days ago
1
@Mazura In fact, from a financial standpoint universities would rather their faculty not write books because it detracts from research time, something which does bring them money in the form of overhead. A number of authors I know had to take a sabbatical to work on a book, which is a cost to the university.
– user71659
2 days ago
12
I work in the textbook publishing industry. This answer is 100% correct.
– barbecue
2 days ago
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Publishers want new editions so that they can make money selling copies of the new edition and reduce the market for used copies. The new edition might be significantly updated, but in many cases the updates are small. For textbooks in lower division general education courses, new editions come out as often as every three years.
It's quite common for textbook publishing contracts to include clauses that give the authors right of first refusal to produce an updated edition but allow the publisher to add a new coauthor and produce a new edition if the authors are unwilling to do so.
Publishers want new editions so that they can make money selling copies of the new edition and reduce the market for used copies. The new edition might be significantly updated, but in many cases the updates are small. For textbooks in lower division general education courses, new editions come out as often as every three years.
It's quite common for textbook publishing contracts to include clauses that give the authors right of first refusal to produce an updated edition but allow the publisher to add a new coauthor and produce a new edition if the authors are unwilling to do so.
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@VladimirF - The motivation is that of the colleges to help sell the books, written by their employees, that they own the rights to. See also, Spaceballs Two: The Search for More Money.
– Mazura
2 days ago
10
@Mazura, sorry, but I don't know of any textbooks that any college has any rights to. The authors don't give up anything to their universities. Or at least I've never heard of any such case.
– Buffy
2 days ago
12
@VladimirF, I think the usual motivation is that new editions have new exercises and the prof wants to assign them by chapter and number. Everyone having the same edition, whether new or not, makes this simple.
– Buffy
2 days ago
1
@Mazura In fact, from a financial standpoint universities would rather their faculty not write books because it detracts from research time, something which does bring them money in the form of overhead. A number of authors I know had to take a sabbatical to work on a book, which is a cost to the university.
– user71659
2 days ago
12
I work in the textbook publishing industry. This answer is 100% correct.
– barbecue
2 days ago
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@VladimirF - The motivation is that of the colleges to help sell the books, written by their employees, that they own the rights to. See also, Spaceballs Two: The Search for More Money.
– Mazura
2 days ago
10
@Mazura, sorry, but I don't know of any textbooks that any college has any rights to. The authors don't give up anything to their universities. Or at least I've never heard of any such case.
– Buffy
2 days ago
12
@VladimirF, I think the usual motivation is that new editions have new exercises and the prof wants to assign them by chapter and number. Everyone having the same edition, whether new or not, makes this simple.
– Buffy
2 days ago
1
@Mazura In fact, from a financial standpoint universities would rather their faculty not write books because it detracts from research time, something which does bring them money in the form of overhead. A number of authors I know had to take a sabbatical to work on a book, which is a cost to the university.
– user71659
2 days ago
12
I work in the textbook publishing industry. This answer is 100% correct.
– barbecue
2 days ago
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@VladimirF - The motivation is that of the colleges to help sell the books, written by their employees, that they own the rights to. See also, Spaceballs Two: The Search for More Money.
– Mazura
2 days ago
@VladimirF - The motivation is that of the colleges to help sell the books, written by their employees, that they own the rights to. See also, Spaceballs Two: The Search for More Money.
– Mazura
2 days ago
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@Mazura, sorry, but I don't know of any textbooks that any college has any rights to. The authors don't give up anything to their universities. Or at least I've never heard of any such case.
– Buffy
2 days ago
@Mazura, sorry, but I don't know of any textbooks that any college has any rights to. The authors don't give up anything to their universities. Or at least I've never heard of any such case.
– Buffy
2 days ago
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@VladimirF, I think the usual motivation is that new editions have new exercises and the prof wants to assign them by chapter and number. Everyone having the same edition, whether new or not, makes this simple.
– Buffy
2 days ago
@VladimirF, I think the usual motivation is that new editions have new exercises and the prof wants to assign them by chapter and number. Everyone having the same edition, whether new or not, makes this simple.
– Buffy
2 days ago
1
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@Mazura In fact, from a financial standpoint universities would rather their faculty not write books because it detracts from research time, something which does bring them money in the form of overhead. A number of authors I know had to take a sabbatical to work on a book, which is a cost to the university.
– user71659
2 days ago
@Mazura In fact, from a financial standpoint universities would rather their faculty not write books because it detracts from research time, something which does bring them money in the form of overhead. A number of authors I know had to take a sabbatical to work on a book, which is a cost to the university.
– user71659
2 days ago
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I work in the textbook publishing industry. This answer is 100% correct.
– barbecue
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I work in the textbook publishing industry. This answer is 100% correct.
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There're many possible reasons for writing a new edition:
- New discoveries in the field (e.g. detection of gravitational waves)
- Removing outdated material (e.g. if an exercise question involved a lecturer using transparencies, it would make sense to switch to a lecturer using Power Point)
- Change in syllabus (e.g. new discovery means courses should cover that, and to make room, another topic is removed)
- Student feedback (as you mentioned)
Authors are not usually obliged contractually to produce a new edition. At most, they might be contractually obliged to publish new editions with the same publisher.
But what is the motivation of requiring the most recent editions from students, (except increasing the shares from new sales)?
– Vladimir F
2 days ago
@VladimirF that's a question for the professor to answer. Presumably he/she thinks the new material is worth it.
– Allure
2 days ago
@Allure Vladimir seems to have posted the same comment / question in every possible place...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
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@VladimirF the question doesn't ask that though? The first sentence isn't a question.
– Allure
2 days ago
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@VladimirF One major reason is that often the exercises will have been reordered (as well as new ones added), which makes it very impractical to refer to exercises across versions. But there is usually no way to reasonably ask the students to all use an older version, as these will not be available through the usual means, and requiring all students to go through second hand sources for the text book is not reasonable.
– Tobias Kildetoft
2 days ago
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There're many possible reasons for writing a new edition:
- New discoveries in the field (e.g. detection of gravitational waves)
- Removing outdated material (e.g. if an exercise question involved a lecturer using transparencies, it would make sense to switch to a lecturer using Power Point)
- Change in syllabus (e.g. new discovery means courses should cover that, and to make room, another topic is removed)
- Student feedback (as you mentioned)
Authors are not usually obliged contractually to produce a new edition. At most, they might be contractually obliged to publish new editions with the same publisher.
But what is the motivation of requiring the most recent editions from students, (except increasing the shares from new sales)?
– Vladimir F
2 days ago
@VladimirF that's a question for the professor to answer. Presumably he/she thinks the new material is worth it.
– Allure
2 days ago
@Allure Vladimir seems to have posted the same comment / question in every possible place...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
3
@VladimirF the question doesn't ask that though? The first sentence isn't a question.
– Allure
2 days ago
1
@VladimirF One major reason is that often the exercises will have been reordered (as well as new ones added), which makes it very impractical to refer to exercises across versions. But there is usually no way to reasonably ask the students to all use an older version, as these will not be available through the usual means, and requiring all students to go through second hand sources for the text book is not reasonable.
– Tobias Kildetoft
2 days ago
|
show 1 more comment
There're many possible reasons for writing a new edition:
- New discoveries in the field (e.g. detection of gravitational waves)
- Removing outdated material (e.g. if an exercise question involved a lecturer using transparencies, it would make sense to switch to a lecturer using Power Point)
- Change in syllabus (e.g. new discovery means courses should cover that, and to make room, another topic is removed)
- Student feedback (as you mentioned)
Authors are not usually obliged contractually to produce a new edition. At most, they might be contractually obliged to publish new editions with the same publisher.
There're many possible reasons for writing a new edition:
- New discoveries in the field (e.g. detection of gravitational waves)
- Removing outdated material (e.g. if an exercise question involved a lecturer using transparencies, it would make sense to switch to a lecturer using Power Point)
- Change in syllabus (e.g. new discovery means courses should cover that, and to make room, another topic is removed)
- Student feedback (as you mentioned)
Authors are not usually obliged contractually to produce a new edition. At most, they might be contractually obliged to publish new editions with the same publisher.
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But what is the motivation of requiring the most recent editions from students, (except increasing the shares from new sales)?
– Vladimir F
2 days ago
@VladimirF that's a question for the professor to answer. Presumably he/she thinks the new material is worth it.
– Allure
2 days ago
@Allure Vladimir seems to have posted the same comment / question in every possible place...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
3
@VladimirF the question doesn't ask that though? The first sentence isn't a question.
– Allure
2 days ago
1
@VladimirF One major reason is that often the exercises will have been reordered (as well as new ones added), which makes it very impractical to refer to exercises across versions. But there is usually no way to reasonably ask the students to all use an older version, as these will not be available through the usual means, and requiring all students to go through second hand sources for the text book is not reasonable.
– Tobias Kildetoft
2 days ago
|
show 1 more comment
But what is the motivation of requiring the most recent editions from students, (except increasing the shares from new sales)?
– Vladimir F
2 days ago
@VladimirF that's a question for the professor to answer. Presumably he/she thinks the new material is worth it.
– Allure
2 days ago
@Allure Vladimir seems to have posted the same comment / question in every possible place...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
3
@VladimirF the question doesn't ask that though? The first sentence isn't a question.
– Allure
2 days ago
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@VladimirF One major reason is that often the exercises will have been reordered (as well as new ones added), which makes it very impractical to refer to exercises across versions. But there is usually no way to reasonably ask the students to all use an older version, as these will not be available through the usual means, and requiring all students to go through second hand sources for the text book is not reasonable.
– Tobias Kildetoft
2 days ago
But what is the motivation of requiring the most recent editions from students, (except increasing the shares from new sales)?
– Vladimir F
2 days ago
But what is the motivation of requiring the most recent editions from students, (except increasing the shares from new sales)?
– Vladimir F
2 days ago
@VladimirF that's a question for the professor to answer. Presumably he/she thinks the new material is worth it.
– Allure
2 days ago
@VladimirF that's a question for the professor to answer. Presumably he/she thinks the new material is worth it.
– Allure
2 days ago
@Allure Vladimir seems to have posted the same comment / question in every possible place...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@Allure Vladimir seems to have posted the same comment / question in every possible place...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
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@VladimirF the question doesn't ask that though? The first sentence isn't a question.
– Allure
2 days ago
@VladimirF the question doesn't ask that though? The first sentence isn't a question.
– Allure
2 days ago
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@VladimirF One major reason is that often the exercises will have been reordered (as well as new ones added), which makes it very impractical to refer to exercises across versions. But there is usually no way to reasonably ask the students to all use an older version, as these will not be available through the usual means, and requiring all students to go through second hand sources for the text book is not reasonable.
– Tobias Kildetoft
2 days ago
@VladimirF One major reason is that often the exercises will have been reordered (as well as new ones added), which makes it very impractical to refer to exercises across versions. But there is usually no way to reasonably ask the students to all use an older version, as these will not be available through the usual means, and requiring all students to go through second hand sources for the text book is not reasonable.
– Tobias Kildetoft
2 days ago
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I am an author currently updating a textbook. It's been out for several years. Many of the exercises are based on "current news" - what was current then is not current now. While updating the exercises I've found more places than I had anticipated where I see ways to say things better.
I am arranging the new version so that a second hand copy of the old version will still work. Exercises I've removed will be available on the web with their original numbers, new exercise numbers start where the old ones left off.
To answer the more general question: I think that the point of many new editions is new revenue.
"I am arranging the new version so that a second hand copy of the old version will still work" - Bravo!! Will the new questions be published on the web? (so that the poor kid/cheapskate with an old edition can do them when the teacher sets new questions.)
– Martin Bonner
17 hours ago
@MartinBonner I hadn't thought of that, figuring instructors could make them available as needed. But it would be easy to do and now I probably will.
– Ethan Bolker
16 hours ago
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I am an author currently updating a textbook. It's been out for several years. Many of the exercises are based on "current news" - what was current then is not current now. While updating the exercises I've found more places than I had anticipated where I see ways to say things better.
I am arranging the new version so that a second hand copy of the old version will still work. Exercises I've removed will be available on the web with their original numbers, new exercise numbers start where the old ones left off.
To answer the more general question: I think that the point of many new editions is new revenue.
"I am arranging the new version so that a second hand copy of the old version will still work" - Bravo!! Will the new questions be published on the web? (so that the poor kid/cheapskate with an old edition can do them when the teacher sets new questions.)
– Martin Bonner
17 hours ago
@MartinBonner I hadn't thought of that, figuring instructors could make them available as needed. But it would be easy to do and now I probably will.
– Ethan Bolker
16 hours ago
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I am an author currently updating a textbook. It's been out for several years. Many of the exercises are based on "current news" - what was current then is not current now. While updating the exercises I've found more places than I had anticipated where I see ways to say things better.
I am arranging the new version so that a second hand copy of the old version will still work. Exercises I've removed will be available on the web with their original numbers, new exercise numbers start where the old ones left off.
To answer the more general question: I think that the point of many new editions is new revenue.
I am an author currently updating a textbook. It's been out for several years. Many of the exercises are based on "current news" - what was current then is not current now. While updating the exercises I've found more places than I had anticipated where I see ways to say things better.
I am arranging the new version so that a second hand copy of the old version will still work. Exercises I've removed will be available on the web with their original numbers, new exercise numbers start where the old ones left off.
To answer the more general question: I think that the point of many new editions is new revenue.
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Ethan BolkerEthan Bolker
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"I am arranging the new version so that a second hand copy of the old version will still work" - Bravo!! Will the new questions be published on the web? (so that the poor kid/cheapskate with an old edition can do them when the teacher sets new questions.)
– Martin Bonner
17 hours ago
@MartinBonner I hadn't thought of that, figuring instructors could make them available as needed. But it would be easy to do and now I probably will.
– Ethan Bolker
16 hours ago
add a comment |
"I am arranging the new version so that a second hand copy of the old version will still work" - Bravo!! Will the new questions be published on the web? (so that the poor kid/cheapskate with an old edition can do them when the teacher sets new questions.)
– Martin Bonner
17 hours ago
@MartinBonner I hadn't thought of that, figuring instructors could make them available as needed. But it would be easy to do and now I probably will.
– Ethan Bolker
16 hours ago
"I am arranging the new version so that a second hand copy of the old version will still work" - Bravo!! Will the new questions be published on the web? (so that the poor kid/cheapskate with an old edition can do them when the teacher sets new questions.)
– Martin Bonner
17 hours ago
"I am arranging the new version so that a second hand copy of the old version will still work" - Bravo!! Will the new questions be published on the web? (so that the poor kid/cheapskate with an old edition can do them when the teacher sets new questions.)
– Martin Bonner
17 hours ago
@MartinBonner I hadn't thought of that, figuring instructors could make them available as needed. But it would be easy to do and now I probably will.
– Ethan Bolker
16 hours ago
@MartinBonner I hadn't thought of that, figuring instructors could make them available as needed. But it would be easy to do and now I probably will.
– Ethan Bolker
16 hours ago
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When sales start to lag on a popular title, publishers want a refresh. They want to try to boost sales back to where they were. Adding a chapter on new material is relatively easy. Adding or changing exercises makes it harder to use older editions for adopters.
Note that authors normally give up copyright to the material so publishers are free to leave authors behind in the preparation of a new edition, but are unlikely to do so even in the absence of a contract. This is because adopters often (usually?) associate the book with its author as much or more than with its title. So including the author has value. But, as Brian Borchers says, there is usually language in the contract about this.
I think it is very unlikely that student feedback is used in the preparation of a new edition, other than from students of the authors. But book representatives (acquisition editors) usually attend professional conferences and ask for feedback on books from attendees. They will also sometimes poll adopters of the book to get feedback and this can be given to the author to aid in the preparation of the next edition. Some of that feedback is contradictory, however, and some is contrary to the ideas of the authors.
In fact, some acquisition editors will ask for feedback on the (popular) books of competitors to learn why those books were chosen instead of their own.
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When sales start to lag on a popular title, publishers want a refresh. They want to try to boost sales back to where they were. Adding a chapter on new material is relatively easy. Adding or changing exercises makes it harder to use older editions for adopters.
Note that authors normally give up copyright to the material so publishers are free to leave authors behind in the preparation of a new edition, but are unlikely to do so even in the absence of a contract. This is because adopters often (usually?) associate the book with its author as much or more than with its title. So including the author has value. But, as Brian Borchers says, there is usually language in the contract about this.
I think it is very unlikely that student feedback is used in the preparation of a new edition, other than from students of the authors. But book representatives (acquisition editors) usually attend professional conferences and ask for feedback on books from attendees. They will also sometimes poll adopters of the book to get feedback and this can be given to the author to aid in the preparation of the next edition. Some of that feedback is contradictory, however, and some is contrary to the ideas of the authors.
In fact, some acquisition editors will ask for feedback on the (popular) books of competitors to learn why those books were chosen instead of their own.
add a comment |
When sales start to lag on a popular title, publishers want a refresh. They want to try to boost sales back to where they were. Adding a chapter on new material is relatively easy. Adding or changing exercises makes it harder to use older editions for adopters.
Note that authors normally give up copyright to the material so publishers are free to leave authors behind in the preparation of a new edition, but are unlikely to do so even in the absence of a contract. This is because adopters often (usually?) associate the book with its author as much or more than with its title. So including the author has value. But, as Brian Borchers says, there is usually language in the contract about this.
I think it is very unlikely that student feedback is used in the preparation of a new edition, other than from students of the authors. But book representatives (acquisition editors) usually attend professional conferences and ask for feedback on books from attendees. They will also sometimes poll adopters of the book to get feedback and this can be given to the author to aid in the preparation of the next edition. Some of that feedback is contradictory, however, and some is contrary to the ideas of the authors.
In fact, some acquisition editors will ask for feedback on the (popular) books of competitors to learn why those books were chosen instead of their own.
When sales start to lag on a popular title, publishers want a refresh. They want to try to boost sales back to where they were. Adding a chapter on new material is relatively easy. Adding or changing exercises makes it harder to use older editions for adopters.
Note that authors normally give up copyright to the material so publishers are free to leave authors behind in the preparation of a new edition, but are unlikely to do so even in the absence of a contract. This is because adopters often (usually?) associate the book with its author as much or more than with its title. So including the author has value. But, as Brian Borchers says, there is usually language in the contract about this.
I think it is very unlikely that student feedback is used in the preparation of a new edition, other than from students of the authors. But book representatives (acquisition editors) usually attend professional conferences and ask for feedback on books from attendees. They will also sometimes poll adopters of the book to get feedback and this can be given to the author to aid in the preparation of the next edition. Some of that feedback is contradictory, however, and some is contrary to the ideas of the authors.
In fact, some acquisition editors will ask for feedback on the (popular) books of competitors to learn why those books were chosen instead of their own.
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Have you ever been involved in someone teaching a lecture from a "script"? I don't know if there is a specific English term for this, I mean that the teacher/professor collates the material beforehand without publishing it in a book form, and makes it available to students.
If you see this being done year afer year, you will see what kind of changes are made.
The importance/length of sections is changed relative to each other, due to changing emphasis, the need to make space for new material, and the time needed by the professor and/or students to get through a section
practical problems are changed to be more understandable, new problems are added, etc.
material that was difficult to bring across is rewritten to be presented in a new way
small new discoveries are mentioned, such as using the results of nifty new studies as examples that emphasize a point
corrections are made, since there are usually errors at the beginning
I would say that textbooks go through similar changes between editions. This is entirely normal - a large and complicated artefact like a textbook is best created in an iterative manner, not unlike a software programm.
Major discoveries in the field are much less likely to trigger a new edition. First, the future impact of many discoveries is not recognizable when they are made, and they linger in some small journal before the discipline notices them and makes something out of them.
Second, even when something is recognizably new and different, and excites scientists, it is still not "fleshed out" enough to be taught to students, since it doesn't yet have its own ecosystem supporting literature, successful application in large projects, whatever. Third, the kind of professor who gets to publish a textbook is usually old, experienced - and set in his ways. If he dedicated his life to building superconductors out of metal alloys, and some young upshot shows that graphene can be used in a superconductor, the professor will wait for a few years whether that new technology (which is in direct competition to his own research) will establish itself, before starting to give it space in his textbook.
I think there are a few exceptions to that "discoveries percolate slowly into textbooks" tendency, for example I heard somewhere that CRISPR/CAS entered general genetics textbooks rather quickly. But it is much more typical, especially in undergraduate level textbooks, that changes between editions are incremental improvements of existing material.
There are also some fields where the changes are very impactful. This happens in fields which study human-created rule systems, typically law, but also accounting. In a law textbook, a subset of laws changes every year, and their interpretation by courts also changes with new case decisions. The new editions of textbooks have to reflect these changes.
A reason for professors to want the newest edition (beside monetary ones) is simply that it makes it easier to teach. With a class where the students use multiple editions at once, there will be difference in the text, but especially also in the problems. Making sure that everybody reads the same text, or is solving the same problem when homework is given, is a huge headache if students use different editions.
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Have you ever been involved in someone teaching a lecture from a "script"? I don't know if there is a specific English term for this, I mean that the teacher/professor collates the material beforehand without publishing it in a book form, and makes it available to students.
If you see this being done year afer year, you will see what kind of changes are made.
The importance/length of sections is changed relative to each other, due to changing emphasis, the need to make space for new material, and the time needed by the professor and/or students to get through a section
practical problems are changed to be more understandable, new problems are added, etc.
material that was difficult to bring across is rewritten to be presented in a new way
small new discoveries are mentioned, such as using the results of nifty new studies as examples that emphasize a point
corrections are made, since there are usually errors at the beginning
I would say that textbooks go through similar changes between editions. This is entirely normal - a large and complicated artefact like a textbook is best created in an iterative manner, not unlike a software programm.
Major discoveries in the field are much less likely to trigger a new edition. First, the future impact of many discoveries is not recognizable when they are made, and they linger in some small journal before the discipline notices them and makes something out of them.
Second, even when something is recognizably new and different, and excites scientists, it is still not "fleshed out" enough to be taught to students, since it doesn't yet have its own ecosystem supporting literature, successful application in large projects, whatever. Third, the kind of professor who gets to publish a textbook is usually old, experienced - and set in his ways. If he dedicated his life to building superconductors out of metal alloys, and some young upshot shows that graphene can be used in a superconductor, the professor will wait for a few years whether that new technology (which is in direct competition to his own research) will establish itself, before starting to give it space in his textbook.
I think there are a few exceptions to that "discoveries percolate slowly into textbooks" tendency, for example I heard somewhere that CRISPR/CAS entered general genetics textbooks rather quickly. But it is much more typical, especially in undergraduate level textbooks, that changes between editions are incremental improvements of existing material.
There are also some fields where the changes are very impactful. This happens in fields which study human-created rule systems, typically law, but also accounting. In a law textbook, a subset of laws changes every year, and their interpretation by courts also changes with new case decisions. The new editions of textbooks have to reflect these changes.
A reason for professors to want the newest edition (beside monetary ones) is simply that it makes it easier to teach. With a class where the students use multiple editions at once, there will be difference in the text, but especially also in the problems. Making sure that everybody reads the same text, or is solving the same problem when homework is given, is a huge headache if students use different editions.
add a comment |
Have you ever been involved in someone teaching a lecture from a "script"? I don't know if there is a specific English term for this, I mean that the teacher/professor collates the material beforehand without publishing it in a book form, and makes it available to students.
If you see this being done year afer year, you will see what kind of changes are made.
The importance/length of sections is changed relative to each other, due to changing emphasis, the need to make space for new material, and the time needed by the professor and/or students to get through a section
practical problems are changed to be more understandable, new problems are added, etc.
material that was difficult to bring across is rewritten to be presented in a new way
small new discoveries are mentioned, such as using the results of nifty new studies as examples that emphasize a point
corrections are made, since there are usually errors at the beginning
I would say that textbooks go through similar changes between editions. This is entirely normal - a large and complicated artefact like a textbook is best created in an iterative manner, not unlike a software programm.
Major discoveries in the field are much less likely to trigger a new edition. First, the future impact of many discoveries is not recognizable when they are made, and they linger in some small journal before the discipline notices them and makes something out of them.
Second, even when something is recognizably new and different, and excites scientists, it is still not "fleshed out" enough to be taught to students, since it doesn't yet have its own ecosystem supporting literature, successful application in large projects, whatever. Third, the kind of professor who gets to publish a textbook is usually old, experienced - and set in his ways. If he dedicated his life to building superconductors out of metal alloys, and some young upshot shows that graphene can be used in a superconductor, the professor will wait for a few years whether that new technology (which is in direct competition to his own research) will establish itself, before starting to give it space in his textbook.
I think there are a few exceptions to that "discoveries percolate slowly into textbooks" tendency, for example I heard somewhere that CRISPR/CAS entered general genetics textbooks rather quickly. But it is much more typical, especially in undergraduate level textbooks, that changes between editions are incremental improvements of existing material.
There are also some fields where the changes are very impactful. This happens in fields which study human-created rule systems, typically law, but also accounting. In a law textbook, a subset of laws changes every year, and their interpretation by courts also changes with new case decisions. The new editions of textbooks have to reflect these changes.
A reason for professors to want the newest edition (beside monetary ones) is simply that it makes it easier to teach. With a class where the students use multiple editions at once, there will be difference in the text, but especially also in the problems. Making sure that everybody reads the same text, or is solving the same problem when homework is given, is a huge headache if students use different editions.
Have you ever been involved in someone teaching a lecture from a "script"? I don't know if there is a specific English term for this, I mean that the teacher/professor collates the material beforehand without publishing it in a book form, and makes it available to students.
If you see this being done year afer year, you will see what kind of changes are made.
The importance/length of sections is changed relative to each other, due to changing emphasis, the need to make space for new material, and the time needed by the professor and/or students to get through a section
practical problems are changed to be more understandable, new problems are added, etc.
material that was difficult to bring across is rewritten to be presented in a new way
small new discoveries are mentioned, such as using the results of nifty new studies as examples that emphasize a point
corrections are made, since there are usually errors at the beginning
I would say that textbooks go through similar changes between editions. This is entirely normal - a large and complicated artefact like a textbook is best created in an iterative manner, not unlike a software programm.
Major discoveries in the field are much less likely to trigger a new edition. First, the future impact of many discoveries is not recognizable when they are made, and they linger in some small journal before the discipline notices them and makes something out of them.
Second, even when something is recognizably new and different, and excites scientists, it is still not "fleshed out" enough to be taught to students, since it doesn't yet have its own ecosystem supporting literature, successful application in large projects, whatever. Third, the kind of professor who gets to publish a textbook is usually old, experienced - and set in his ways. If he dedicated his life to building superconductors out of metal alloys, and some young upshot shows that graphene can be used in a superconductor, the professor will wait for a few years whether that new technology (which is in direct competition to his own research) will establish itself, before starting to give it space in his textbook.
I think there are a few exceptions to that "discoveries percolate slowly into textbooks" tendency, for example I heard somewhere that CRISPR/CAS entered general genetics textbooks rather quickly. But it is much more typical, especially in undergraduate level textbooks, that changes between editions are incremental improvements of existing material.
There are also some fields where the changes are very impactful. This happens in fields which study human-created rule systems, typically law, but also accounting. In a law textbook, a subset of laws changes every year, and their interpretation by courts also changes with new case decisions. The new editions of textbooks have to reflect these changes.
A reason for professors to want the newest edition (beside monetary ones) is simply that it makes it easier to teach. With a class where the students use multiple editions at once, there will be difference in the text, but especially also in the problems. Making sure that everybody reads the same text, or is solving the same problem when homework is given, is a huge headache if students use different editions.
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They can update a book for several reasons:
1) new material,
2) updating material (addition or removal), chapters or sections based on feedback - changing the order of sections
3) more examples with solutions and/or practice problems with or without solutions
So technical books are updated as necessary but they are not done for lucrative reasons - fiction authors sell more copies and do make money... technical books don’t sell in the same numbers...
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Textbook publishing can actually be quite lucrative when it comes to textbooks used in lower division general education courses (think "College Algebra" or "Introductory Statiatics". "Calculus" is pretty advanced by this standard.)
– Brian Borchers
Apr 9 at 4:17
@BrianBorchers so you match copy numbers of someone like Lee Childs? Author of the Jack Reacher books... Also there tend to be several "introductory" texts each competing for the same limited market...
– Solar Mike
Apr 9 at 4:20
But what is the motivation of requiring the most recent editions from students, (except increasing the shares from new sales)?
– Vladimir F
2 days ago
1
@VladimirF so when you refer to an example question or set of problems or specific text in a chapter, all students have the same information...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike: Quantity is not the sole determinant of profit, the margin on each book is just as important, and margin on textbooks is much higher (especially if the "number of copies" for the fiction work includes mass market paperback)
– Ben Voigt
2 days ago
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They can update a book for several reasons:
1) new material,
2) updating material (addition or removal), chapters or sections based on feedback - changing the order of sections
3) more examples with solutions and/or practice problems with or without solutions
So technical books are updated as necessary but they are not done for lucrative reasons - fiction authors sell more copies and do make money... technical books don’t sell in the same numbers...
2
Textbook publishing can actually be quite lucrative when it comes to textbooks used in lower division general education courses (think "College Algebra" or "Introductory Statiatics". "Calculus" is pretty advanced by this standard.)
– Brian Borchers
Apr 9 at 4:17
@BrianBorchers so you match copy numbers of someone like Lee Childs? Author of the Jack Reacher books... Also there tend to be several "introductory" texts each competing for the same limited market...
– Solar Mike
Apr 9 at 4:20
But what is the motivation of requiring the most recent editions from students, (except increasing the shares from new sales)?
– Vladimir F
2 days ago
1
@VladimirF so when you refer to an example question or set of problems or specific text in a chapter, all students have the same information...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike: Quantity is not the sole determinant of profit, the margin on each book is just as important, and margin on textbooks is much higher (especially if the "number of copies" for the fiction work includes mass market paperback)
– Ben Voigt
2 days ago
add a comment |
They can update a book for several reasons:
1) new material,
2) updating material (addition or removal), chapters or sections based on feedback - changing the order of sections
3) more examples with solutions and/or practice problems with or without solutions
So technical books are updated as necessary but they are not done for lucrative reasons - fiction authors sell more copies and do make money... technical books don’t sell in the same numbers...
They can update a book for several reasons:
1) new material,
2) updating material (addition or removal), chapters or sections based on feedback - changing the order of sections
3) more examples with solutions and/or practice problems with or without solutions
So technical books are updated as necessary but they are not done for lucrative reasons - fiction authors sell more copies and do make money... technical books don’t sell in the same numbers...
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answered Apr 9 at 4:04
Solar MikeSolar Mike
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Textbook publishing can actually be quite lucrative when it comes to textbooks used in lower division general education courses (think "College Algebra" or "Introductory Statiatics". "Calculus" is pretty advanced by this standard.)
– Brian Borchers
Apr 9 at 4:17
@BrianBorchers so you match copy numbers of someone like Lee Childs? Author of the Jack Reacher books... Also there tend to be several "introductory" texts each competing for the same limited market...
– Solar Mike
Apr 9 at 4:20
But what is the motivation of requiring the most recent editions from students, (except increasing the shares from new sales)?
– Vladimir F
2 days ago
1
@VladimirF so when you refer to an example question or set of problems or specific text in a chapter, all students have the same information...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike: Quantity is not the sole determinant of profit, the margin on each book is just as important, and margin on textbooks is much higher (especially if the "number of copies" for the fiction work includes mass market paperback)
– Ben Voigt
2 days ago
add a comment |
2
Textbook publishing can actually be quite lucrative when it comes to textbooks used in lower division general education courses (think "College Algebra" or "Introductory Statiatics". "Calculus" is pretty advanced by this standard.)
– Brian Borchers
Apr 9 at 4:17
@BrianBorchers so you match copy numbers of someone like Lee Childs? Author of the Jack Reacher books... Also there tend to be several "introductory" texts each competing for the same limited market...
– Solar Mike
Apr 9 at 4:20
But what is the motivation of requiring the most recent editions from students, (except increasing the shares from new sales)?
– Vladimir F
2 days ago
1
@VladimirF so when you refer to an example question or set of problems or specific text in a chapter, all students have the same information...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike: Quantity is not the sole determinant of profit, the margin on each book is just as important, and margin on textbooks is much higher (especially if the "number of copies" for the fiction work includes mass market paperback)
– Ben Voigt
2 days ago
2
2
Textbook publishing can actually be quite lucrative when it comes to textbooks used in lower division general education courses (think "College Algebra" or "Introductory Statiatics". "Calculus" is pretty advanced by this standard.)
– Brian Borchers
Apr 9 at 4:17
Textbook publishing can actually be quite lucrative when it comes to textbooks used in lower division general education courses (think "College Algebra" or "Introductory Statiatics". "Calculus" is pretty advanced by this standard.)
– Brian Borchers
Apr 9 at 4:17
@BrianBorchers so you match copy numbers of someone like Lee Childs? Author of the Jack Reacher books... Also there tend to be several "introductory" texts each competing for the same limited market...
– Solar Mike
Apr 9 at 4:20
@BrianBorchers so you match copy numbers of someone like Lee Childs? Author of the Jack Reacher books... Also there tend to be several "introductory" texts each competing for the same limited market...
– Solar Mike
Apr 9 at 4:20
But what is the motivation of requiring the most recent editions from students, (except increasing the shares from new sales)?
– Vladimir F
2 days ago
But what is the motivation of requiring the most recent editions from students, (except increasing the shares from new sales)?
– Vladimir F
2 days ago
1
1
@VladimirF so when you refer to an example question or set of problems or specific text in a chapter, all students have the same information...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@VladimirF so when you refer to an example question or set of problems or specific text in a chapter, all students have the same information...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike: Quantity is not the sole determinant of profit, the margin on each book is just as important, and margin on textbooks is much higher (especially if the "number of copies" for the fiction work includes mass market paperback)
– Ben Voigt
2 days ago
@SolarMike: Quantity is not the sole determinant of profit, the margin on each book is just as important, and margin on textbooks is much higher (especially if the "number of copies" for the fiction work includes mass market paperback)
– Ben Voigt
2 days ago
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- Error corrections. Somebody pointed to a typo or more serious error, this is corrected. Teaching a course can be difficult if some students have the errors and some have the corrections.
- Media rights. An image might have been licensed for the initial print run, it is not possible to renew the license. Or there never was a license to start with, things were more sloppy in previous decades. An image might have been licensed for print only and now they want a digital edition, too.
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- Error corrections. Somebody pointed to a typo or more serious error, this is corrected. Teaching a course can be difficult if some students have the errors and some have the corrections.
- Media rights. An image might have been licensed for the initial print run, it is not possible to renew the license. Or there never was a license to start with, things were more sloppy in previous decades. An image might have been licensed for print only and now they want a digital edition, too.
add a comment |
- Error corrections. Somebody pointed to a typo or more serious error, this is corrected. Teaching a course can be difficult if some students have the errors and some have the corrections.
- Media rights. An image might have been licensed for the initial print run, it is not possible to renew the license. Or there never was a license to start with, things were more sloppy in previous decades. An image might have been licensed for print only and now they want a digital edition, too.
- Error corrections. Somebody pointed to a typo or more serious error, this is corrected. Teaching a course can be difficult if some students have the errors and some have the corrections.
- Media rights. An image might have been licensed for the initial print run, it is not possible to renew the license. Or there never was a license to start with, things were more sloppy in previous decades. An image might have been licensed for print only and now they want a digital edition, too.
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In something like English, clearly the field is not changing hugely -- incorporating technology has been done pretty well. (Although I want to update a book I used in Tech Writing because it was pre-google docs, and assumed emailing around a single document, taking turns editing.)
Mostly instructors find other approaches that work, and they want to create a text to allow other instructors to use the same one.
I often would incorporate a chapter from a textbook I had a sample from, while my main text for the class stayed the same. I didn't outright steal (Xerox or scan it in), but I'd take the organization of the information for that chapter, and make a presentation (PPT) based on that, and come up with my own examples, and find exercises in my existing text that could be adapted. This was a tech-writing class, and that other book went into more depth on layout topics and strategies. To get even a portion of that book for the class (I wrote the publisher and asked for a 2-3 chapter excerpt) would have been $30/copy, and my main book in that class is only $30ish already. If my preferred text lacked adaptable examples though, then I may have switched or added in that supplement fully.
Some teachers in my department ADORED a text that gave a lot of "models" for how to do academic writing, but I despised it. So I'm glad other people had created books that focused more on the analysis and deep-thinking parts of the writing process. So while not new editions, they were various approaches being represented. (I did stop using one ENGL 100 book when 3rd edition was 250ish pages, but by 6th, it was 550 -- each individual change made sense, but it was overall too overwhelming for a student to cope with.)
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In something like English, clearly the field is not changing hugely -- incorporating technology has been done pretty well. (Although I want to update a book I used in Tech Writing because it was pre-google docs, and assumed emailing around a single document, taking turns editing.)
Mostly instructors find other approaches that work, and they want to create a text to allow other instructors to use the same one.
I often would incorporate a chapter from a textbook I had a sample from, while my main text for the class stayed the same. I didn't outright steal (Xerox or scan it in), but I'd take the organization of the information for that chapter, and make a presentation (PPT) based on that, and come up with my own examples, and find exercises in my existing text that could be adapted. This was a tech-writing class, and that other book went into more depth on layout topics and strategies. To get even a portion of that book for the class (I wrote the publisher and asked for a 2-3 chapter excerpt) would have been $30/copy, and my main book in that class is only $30ish already. If my preferred text lacked adaptable examples though, then I may have switched or added in that supplement fully.
Some teachers in my department ADORED a text that gave a lot of "models" for how to do academic writing, but I despised it. So I'm glad other people had created books that focused more on the analysis and deep-thinking parts of the writing process. So while not new editions, they were various approaches being represented. (I did stop using one ENGL 100 book when 3rd edition was 250ish pages, but by 6th, it was 550 -- each individual change made sense, but it was overall too overwhelming for a student to cope with.)
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In something like English, clearly the field is not changing hugely -- incorporating technology has been done pretty well. (Although I want to update a book I used in Tech Writing because it was pre-google docs, and assumed emailing around a single document, taking turns editing.)
Mostly instructors find other approaches that work, and they want to create a text to allow other instructors to use the same one.
I often would incorporate a chapter from a textbook I had a sample from, while my main text for the class stayed the same. I didn't outright steal (Xerox or scan it in), but I'd take the organization of the information for that chapter, and make a presentation (PPT) based on that, and come up with my own examples, and find exercises in my existing text that could be adapted. This was a tech-writing class, and that other book went into more depth on layout topics and strategies. To get even a portion of that book for the class (I wrote the publisher and asked for a 2-3 chapter excerpt) would have been $30/copy, and my main book in that class is only $30ish already. If my preferred text lacked adaptable examples though, then I may have switched or added in that supplement fully.
Some teachers in my department ADORED a text that gave a lot of "models" for how to do academic writing, but I despised it. So I'm glad other people had created books that focused more on the analysis and deep-thinking parts of the writing process. So while not new editions, they were various approaches being represented. (I did stop using one ENGL 100 book when 3rd edition was 250ish pages, but by 6th, it was 550 -- each individual change made sense, but it was overall too overwhelming for a student to cope with.)
In something like English, clearly the field is not changing hugely -- incorporating technology has been done pretty well. (Although I want to update a book I used in Tech Writing because it was pre-google docs, and assumed emailing around a single document, taking turns editing.)
Mostly instructors find other approaches that work, and they want to create a text to allow other instructors to use the same one.
I often would incorporate a chapter from a textbook I had a sample from, while my main text for the class stayed the same. I didn't outright steal (Xerox or scan it in), but I'd take the organization of the information for that chapter, and make a presentation (PPT) based on that, and come up with my own examples, and find exercises in my existing text that could be adapted. This was a tech-writing class, and that other book went into more depth on layout topics and strategies. To get even a portion of that book for the class (I wrote the publisher and asked for a 2-3 chapter excerpt) would have been $30/copy, and my main book in that class is only $30ish already. If my preferred text lacked adaptable examples though, then I may have switched or added in that supplement fully.
Some teachers in my department ADORED a text that gave a lot of "models" for how to do academic writing, but I despised it. So I'm glad other people had created books that focused more on the analysis and deep-thinking parts of the writing process. So while not new editions, they were various approaches being represented. (I did stop using one ENGL 100 book when 3rd edition was 250ish pages, but by 6th, it was 550 -- each individual change made sense, but it was overall too overwhelming for a student to cope with.)
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20 or so years ago while in the army, we had some rule book (The Rules of Military Discipline, printed in 1965 I think) which were erata-ed the hard way: new text written by typing machine, cut and pasted (glued) over the old text.
As another example, children today learn Mathematics at least one year earlier than I did in the eighties, so new manuals are necessary. Also, the things that MUST be studied (government mandates what) change - if not every year, then at least once every four. While dealing with things that disappear from the manual is easy (just ignore them), the changes are all ADDING things.
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20 or so years ago while in the army, we had some rule book (The Rules of Military Discipline, printed in 1965 I think) which were erata-ed the hard way: new text written by typing machine, cut and pasted (glued) over the old text.
As another example, children today learn Mathematics at least one year earlier than I did in the eighties, so new manuals are necessary. Also, the things that MUST be studied (government mandates what) change - if not every year, then at least once every four. While dealing with things that disappear from the manual is easy (just ignore them), the changes are all ADDING things.
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20 or so years ago while in the army, we had some rule book (The Rules of Military Discipline, printed in 1965 I think) which were erata-ed the hard way: new text written by typing machine, cut and pasted (glued) over the old text.
As another example, children today learn Mathematics at least one year earlier than I did in the eighties, so new manuals are necessary. Also, the things that MUST be studied (government mandates what) change - if not every year, then at least once every four. While dealing with things that disappear from the manual is easy (just ignore them), the changes are all ADDING things.
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20 or so years ago while in the army, we had some rule book (The Rules of Military Discipline, printed in 1965 I think) which were erata-ed the hard way: new text written by typing machine, cut and pasted (glued) over the old text.
As another example, children today learn Mathematics at least one year earlier than I did in the eighties, so new manuals are necessary. Also, the things that MUST be studied (government mandates what) change - if not every year, then at least once every four. While dealing with things that disappear from the manual is easy (just ignore them), the changes are all ADDING things.
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