Proving that $g(x)$ defined as $x^2$ on the rationals and $x^4$ on irrationals, is discontinuous at $2$












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Define $g: mathbb{R} to mathbb{R}$ by $$g(x) =begin{cases} x^2 & text{if } x text{ is rational}, \\ x^4 & text{if } x text{ is irrational}. end{cases}$$ Prove that $g$ is discontinuous at $x = 2$.



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Assume instead that $g$ is continuous at 2. Then since $g(2)= 4$, $;;displaystyle lim_{xto2}g(x)=4$;



so taking $epsilon=1$, there is a $delta>0$ such that if $0<|x-2|<delta$, then $big|g(x)-4big|<1$.



Therefore if $x$ is irrational and $2-delta<x<2$, then
$big|x^4-4big|<1$



$-1 <x^4-4<1implies 3<x^4<5implies x^4>3 implies x = 3^frac{1}{4} implies x < 2$ Contradiction










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    Instead of delta-epsilon definition. See the definition using limit of sequences. Note that if you approximate 2 by a sequence of rational numbers you get g(x) approaches 2^2=4. But if you approximate 2 by a sequence of irrational numbers then g(x) approaches 2^4=16. Since the limits of g(x) w.r.t. these sequences don't match then g is discontinuous at 2. (In fact same argument proves that g is discontinuous everywhere, except at 0)
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    $x<2$ is not a contradiction. What you should note is that you can choose $delta$ arbitrarily small, so choose $delta$ such that $3^{1/4}<2-delta$. Then you get a contradiction.
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Define $g: mathbb{R} to mathbb{R}$ by $$g(x) =begin{cases} x^2 & text{if } x text{ is rational}, \\ x^4 & text{if } x text{ is irrational}. end{cases}$$ Prove that $g$ is discontinuous at $x = 2$.



Solution Attempt:



Assume instead that $g$ is continuous at 2. Then since $g(2)= 4$, $;;displaystyle lim_{xto2}g(x)=4$;



so taking $epsilon=1$, there is a $delta>0$ such that if $0<|x-2|<delta$, then $big|g(x)-4big|<1$.



Therefore if $x$ is irrational and $2-delta<x<2$, then
$big|x^4-4big|<1$



$-1 <x^4-4<1implies 3<x^4<5implies x^4>3 implies x = 3^frac{1}{4} implies x < 2$ Contradiction










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    Instead of delta-epsilon definition. See the definition using limit of sequences. Note that if you approximate 2 by a sequence of rational numbers you get g(x) approaches 2^2=4. But if you approximate 2 by a sequence of irrational numbers then g(x) approaches 2^4=16. Since the limits of g(x) w.r.t. these sequences don't match then g is discontinuous at 2. (In fact same argument proves that g is discontinuous everywhere, except at 0)
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    $x<2$ is not a contradiction. What you should note is that you can choose $delta$ arbitrarily small, so choose $delta$ such that $3^{1/4}<2-delta$. Then you get a contradiction.
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Define $g: mathbb{R} to mathbb{R}$ by $$g(x) =begin{cases} x^2 & text{if } x text{ is rational}, \\ x^4 & text{if } x text{ is irrational}. end{cases}$$ Prove that $g$ is discontinuous at $x = 2$.



Solution Attempt:



Assume instead that $g$ is continuous at 2. Then since $g(2)= 4$, $;;displaystyle lim_{xto2}g(x)=4$;



so taking $epsilon=1$, there is a $delta>0$ such that if $0<|x-2|<delta$, then $big|g(x)-4big|<1$.



Therefore if $x$ is irrational and $2-delta<x<2$, then
$big|x^4-4big|<1$



$-1 <x^4-4<1implies 3<x^4<5implies x^4>3 implies x = 3^frac{1}{4} implies x < 2$ Contradiction










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Define $g: mathbb{R} to mathbb{R}$ by $$g(x) =begin{cases} x^2 & text{if } x text{ is rational}, \\ x^4 & text{if } x text{ is irrational}. end{cases}$$ Prove that $g$ is discontinuous at $x = 2$.



Solution Attempt:



Assume instead that $g$ is continuous at 2. Then since $g(2)= 4$, $;;displaystyle lim_{xto2}g(x)=4$;



so taking $epsilon=1$, there is a $delta>0$ such that if $0<|x-2|<delta$, then $big|g(x)-4big|<1$.



Therefore if $x$ is irrational and $2-delta<x<2$, then
$big|x^4-4big|<1$



$-1 <x^4-4<1implies 3<x^4<5implies x^4>3 implies x = 3^frac{1}{4} implies x < 2$ Contradiction







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    Instead of delta-epsilon definition. See the definition using limit of sequences. Note that if you approximate 2 by a sequence of rational numbers you get g(x) approaches 2^2=4. But if you approximate 2 by a sequence of irrational numbers then g(x) approaches 2^4=16. Since the limits of g(x) w.r.t. these sequences don't match then g is discontinuous at 2. (In fact same argument proves that g is discontinuous everywhere, except at 0)
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    $x<2$ is not a contradiction. What you should note is that you can choose $delta$ arbitrarily small, so choose $delta$ such that $3^{1/4}<2-delta$. Then you get a contradiction.
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    $begingroup$
    Instead of delta-epsilon definition. See the definition using limit of sequences. Note that if you approximate 2 by a sequence of rational numbers you get g(x) approaches 2^2=4. But if you approximate 2 by a sequence of irrational numbers then g(x) approaches 2^4=16. Since the limits of g(x) w.r.t. these sequences don't match then g is discontinuous at 2. (In fact same argument proves that g is discontinuous everywhere, except at 0)
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    $x<2$ is not a contradiction. What you should note is that you can choose $delta$ arbitrarily small, so choose $delta$ such that $3^{1/4}<2-delta$. Then you get a contradiction.
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Instead of delta-epsilon definition. See the definition using limit of sequences. Note that if you approximate 2 by a sequence of rational numbers you get g(x) approaches 2^2=4. But if you approximate 2 by a sequence of irrational numbers then g(x) approaches 2^4=16. Since the limits of g(x) w.r.t. these sequences don't match then g is discontinuous at 2. (In fact same argument proves that g is discontinuous everywhere, except at 0)
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– Julian Mejia
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$begingroup$
Instead of delta-epsilon definition. See the definition using limit of sequences. Note that if you approximate 2 by a sequence of rational numbers you get g(x) approaches 2^2=4. But if you approximate 2 by a sequence of irrational numbers then g(x) approaches 2^4=16. Since the limits of g(x) w.r.t. these sequences don't match then g is discontinuous at 2. (In fact same argument proves that g is discontinuous everywhere, except at 0)
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$x<2$ is not a contradiction. What you should note is that you can choose $delta$ arbitrarily small, so choose $delta$ such that $3^{1/4}<2-delta$. Then you get a contradiction.
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$x<2$ is not a contradiction. What you should note is that you can choose $delta$ arbitrarily small, so choose $delta$ such that $3^{1/4}<2-delta$. Then you get a contradiction.
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Rather than $x^4 > 3$, instead conclude that $x^4 < 5$, or equivalently,
$$-sqrt[4]{5} < x < sqrt[4]{5}.$$
If you had chosen instead an irrational $x$ such that
$$2 - min{delta, 2 - sqrt[4]{5}} < x < 2,$$
then you'd have $x > 2 - (2 - sqrt[4]{5}) = sqrt[4]{5}$, a contradiction.






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    I think a simpe way is to construct two sequences $a_n$ and $b_n$, where $a_n$ are rational and $b_n$ are irrational, such that $lim_{ntoinfty}g(a_n)=2^2$ and $lim_{ntoinfty}g(b_n)=2^4$.



    Then we can say $lim_{xto2^+}g(x)$ does not exist. Hence $g$ is discontinuous at $x=2$.




    Put $a_n = 2 + frac{1}{n}$ and $b_n=2+frac{pi}{n}$.







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      Sequential definition of continuity .



      $x_n=2(4n)^{(1/(4n))}.$



      $lim_{n rightarrow infty}x_n=2.$



      $lim_{n rightarrow infty}g(x_n)=$



      $lim_{n rightarrow infty} 2^4(4n)^{(1/n)}=$



      $lim_{n rightarrow infty}2^4 cdot 4^{(1/n)} cdot n^{(1/n)}=$



      $=2^4 not =g(2)$.






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        You haven't reached a contradiction, as commented...but the general idea is correct. Try this, instead: take



        $$left{a_n:=2pifrac n{pi n+1}right}_{ninBbb N}$$



        Observe the above sequence is irrational:



        $$a_nnotinBbb Qimplies g(a_n)=a_n^4,,,,text{so};;lim_{ntoinfty}g(a_n)=lim_{ntoinfty}16pi^4frac{n^4}{(npi+1)^4}=16pi^4frac1{pi^4}=16$$



        yet $;g(2)=2^2=4;$ , so the function is not continuous at $;2;$ ...






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          Rather than $x^4 > 3$, instead conclude that $x^4 < 5$, or equivalently,
          $$-sqrt[4]{5} < x < sqrt[4]{5}.$$
          If you had chosen instead an irrational $x$ such that
          $$2 - min{delta, 2 - sqrt[4]{5}} < x < 2,$$
          then you'd have $x > 2 - (2 - sqrt[4]{5}) = sqrt[4]{5}$, a contradiction.






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            Rather than $x^4 > 3$, instead conclude that $x^4 < 5$, or equivalently,
            $$-sqrt[4]{5} < x < sqrt[4]{5}.$$
            If you had chosen instead an irrational $x$ such that
            $$2 - min{delta, 2 - sqrt[4]{5}} < x < 2,$$
            then you'd have $x > 2 - (2 - sqrt[4]{5}) = sqrt[4]{5}$, a contradiction.






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              Rather than $x^4 > 3$, instead conclude that $x^4 < 5$, or equivalently,
              $$-sqrt[4]{5} < x < sqrt[4]{5}.$$
              If you had chosen instead an irrational $x$ such that
              $$2 - min{delta, 2 - sqrt[4]{5}} < x < 2,$$
              then you'd have $x > 2 - (2 - sqrt[4]{5}) = sqrt[4]{5}$, a contradiction.






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              Rather than $x^4 > 3$, instead conclude that $x^4 < 5$, or equivalently,
              $$-sqrt[4]{5} < x < sqrt[4]{5}.$$
              If you had chosen instead an irrational $x$ such that
              $$2 - min{delta, 2 - sqrt[4]{5}} < x < 2,$$
              then you'd have $x > 2 - (2 - sqrt[4]{5}) = sqrt[4]{5}$, a contradiction.







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                  I think a simpe way is to construct two sequences $a_n$ and $b_n$, where $a_n$ are rational and $b_n$ are irrational, such that $lim_{ntoinfty}g(a_n)=2^2$ and $lim_{ntoinfty}g(b_n)=2^4$.



                  Then we can say $lim_{xto2^+}g(x)$ does not exist. Hence $g$ is discontinuous at $x=2$.




                  Put $a_n = 2 + frac{1}{n}$ and $b_n=2+frac{pi}{n}$.







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                    I think a simpe way is to construct two sequences $a_n$ and $b_n$, where $a_n$ are rational and $b_n$ are irrational, such that $lim_{ntoinfty}g(a_n)=2^2$ and $lim_{ntoinfty}g(b_n)=2^4$.



                    Then we can say $lim_{xto2^+}g(x)$ does not exist. Hence $g$ is discontinuous at $x=2$.




                    Put $a_n = 2 + frac{1}{n}$ and $b_n=2+frac{pi}{n}$.







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                      I think a simpe way is to construct two sequences $a_n$ and $b_n$, where $a_n$ are rational and $b_n$ are irrational, such that $lim_{ntoinfty}g(a_n)=2^2$ and $lim_{ntoinfty}g(b_n)=2^4$.



                      Then we can say $lim_{xto2^+}g(x)$ does not exist. Hence $g$ is discontinuous at $x=2$.




                      Put $a_n = 2 + frac{1}{n}$ and $b_n=2+frac{pi}{n}$.







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                      I think a simpe way is to construct two sequences $a_n$ and $b_n$, where $a_n$ are rational and $b_n$ are irrational, such that $lim_{ntoinfty}g(a_n)=2^2$ and $lim_{ntoinfty}g(b_n)=2^4$.



                      Then we can say $lim_{xto2^+}g(x)$ does not exist. Hence $g$ is discontinuous at $x=2$.




                      Put $a_n = 2 + frac{1}{n}$ and $b_n=2+frac{pi}{n}$.








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                          Sequential definition of continuity .



                          $x_n=2(4n)^{(1/(4n))}.$



                          $lim_{n rightarrow infty}x_n=2.$



                          $lim_{n rightarrow infty}g(x_n)=$



                          $lim_{n rightarrow infty} 2^4(4n)^{(1/n)}=$



                          $lim_{n rightarrow infty}2^4 cdot 4^{(1/n)} cdot n^{(1/n)}=$



                          $=2^4 not =g(2)$.






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                            An option?



                            Sequential definition of continuity .



                            $x_n=2(4n)^{(1/(4n))}.$



                            $lim_{n rightarrow infty}x_n=2.$



                            $lim_{n rightarrow infty}g(x_n)=$



                            $lim_{n rightarrow infty} 2^4(4n)^{(1/n)}=$



                            $lim_{n rightarrow infty}2^4 cdot 4^{(1/n)} cdot n^{(1/n)}=$



                            $=2^4 not =g(2)$.






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                              An option?



                              Sequential definition of continuity .



                              $x_n=2(4n)^{(1/(4n))}.$



                              $lim_{n rightarrow infty}x_n=2.$



                              $lim_{n rightarrow infty}g(x_n)=$



                              $lim_{n rightarrow infty} 2^4(4n)^{(1/n)}=$



                              $lim_{n rightarrow infty}2^4 cdot 4^{(1/n)} cdot n^{(1/n)}=$



                              $=2^4 not =g(2)$.






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                              An option?



                              Sequential definition of continuity .



                              $x_n=2(4n)^{(1/(4n))}.$



                              $lim_{n rightarrow infty}x_n=2.$



                              $lim_{n rightarrow infty}g(x_n)=$



                              $lim_{n rightarrow infty} 2^4(4n)^{(1/n)}=$



                              $lim_{n rightarrow infty}2^4 cdot 4^{(1/n)} cdot n^{(1/n)}=$



                              $=2^4 not =g(2)$.







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                                  You haven't reached a contradiction, as commented...but the general idea is correct. Try this, instead: take



                                  $$left{a_n:=2pifrac n{pi n+1}right}_{ninBbb N}$$



                                  Observe the above sequence is irrational:



                                  $$a_nnotinBbb Qimplies g(a_n)=a_n^4,,,,text{so};;lim_{ntoinfty}g(a_n)=lim_{ntoinfty}16pi^4frac{n^4}{(npi+1)^4}=16pi^4frac1{pi^4}=16$$



                                  yet $;g(2)=2^2=4;$ , so the function is not continuous at $;2;$ ...






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                                    You haven't reached a contradiction, as commented...but the general idea is correct. Try this, instead: take



                                    $$left{a_n:=2pifrac n{pi n+1}right}_{ninBbb N}$$



                                    Observe the above sequence is irrational:



                                    $$a_nnotinBbb Qimplies g(a_n)=a_n^4,,,,text{so};;lim_{ntoinfty}g(a_n)=lim_{ntoinfty}16pi^4frac{n^4}{(npi+1)^4}=16pi^4frac1{pi^4}=16$$



                                    yet $;g(2)=2^2=4;$ , so the function is not continuous at $;2;$ ...






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                                      You haven't reached a contradiction, as commented...but the general idea is correct. Try this, instead: take



                                      $$left{a_n:=2pifrac n{pi n+1}right}_{ninBbb N}$$



                                      Observe the above sequence is irrational:



                                      $$a_nnotinBbb Qimplies g(a_n)=a_n^4,,,,text{so};;lim_{ntoinfty}g(a_n)=lim_{ntoinfty}16pi^4frac{n^4}{(npi+1)^4}=16pi^4frac1{pi^4}=16$$



                                      yet $;g(2)=2^2=4;$ , so the function is not continuous at $;2;$ ...






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                                      You haven't reached a contradiction, as commented...but the general idea is correct. Try this, instead: take



                                      $$left{a_n:=2pifrac n{pi n+1}right}_{ninBbb N}$$



                                      Observe the above sequence is irrational:



                                      $$a_nnotinBbb Qimplies g(a_n)=a_n^4,,,,text{so};;lim_{ntoinfty}g(a_n)=lim_{ntoinfty}16pi^4frac{n^4}{(npi+1)^4}=16pi^4frac1{pi^4}=16$$



                                      yet $;g(2)=2^2=4;$ , so the function is not continuous at $;2;$ ...







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