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As far as I am aware, female mammals cannot produce eggs (as in ova) after a certain age/maturation.



How could the female produce eggs for an unlimited amount of time, resulting in a 'queen' mammal similar to queen bees?










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    "unlimited amount of time" as in "forever", or as in "when she dies after her species' normal lifespan?
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    Two words: Short Lifespan. Even queen bees don't produce eggs forever - they grow old and die like everything else. If the average lifespan of a species is short enough, they won't run out of eggs. Simple as that.
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    The "after a certain age" is in the fetal state. Humans are born with all the eggs they will ever have. I don't have the spoons to look it up for all mammals, but it's going to be the same or similar.
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    Lots of animals die after first spawn -- salmon, squid, ... . You want something which produces multiple spawns and doesn't "age out" ?
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As far as I am aware, female mammals cannot produce eggs (as in ova) after a certain age/maturation.



How could the female produce eggs for an unlimited amount of time, resulting in a 'queen' mammal similar to queen bees?










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    "unlimited amount of time" as in "forever", or as in "when she dies after her species' normal lifespan?
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    Two words: Short Lifespan. Even queen bees don't produce eggs forever - they grow old and die like everything else. If the average lifespan of a species is short enough, they won't run out of eggs. Simple as that.
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    The "after a certain age" is in the fetal state. Humans are born with all the eggs they will ever have. I don't have the spoons to look it up for all mammals, but it's going to be the same or similar.
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    Lots of animals die after first spawn -- salmon, squid, ... . You want something which produces multiple spawns and doesn't "age out" ?
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As far as I am aware, female mammals cannot produce eggs (as in ova) after a certain age/maturation.



How could the female produce eggs for an unlimited amount of time, resulting in a 'queen' mammal similar to queen bees?










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As far as I am aware, female mammals cannot produce eggs (as in ova) after a certain age/maturation.



How could the female produce eggs for an unlimited amount of time, resulting in a 'queen' mammal similar to queen bees?







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    "unlimited amount of time" as in "forever", or as in "when she dies after her species' normal lifespan?
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    Two words: Short Lifespan. Even queen bees don't produce eggs forever - they grow old and die like everything else. If the average lifespan of a species is short enough, they won't run out of eggs. Simple as that.
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    The "after a certain age" is in the fetal state. Humans are born with all the eggs they will ever have. I don't have the spoons to look it up for all mammals, but it's going to be the same or similar.
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    Lots of animals die after first spawn -- salmon, squid, ... . You want something which produces multiple spawns and doesn't "age out" ?
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    "unlimited amount of time" as in "forever", or as in "when she dies after her species' normal lifespan?
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    Two words: Short Lifespan. Even queen bees don't produce eggs forever - they grow old and die like everything else. If the average lifespan of a species is short enough, they won't run out of eggs. Simple as that.
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    The "after a certain age" is in the fetal state. Humans are born with all the eggs they will ever have. I don't have the spoons to look it up for all mammals, but it's going to be the same or similar.
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    Lots of animals die after first spawn -- salmon, squid, ... . You want something which produces multiple spawns and doesn't "age out" ?
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Two words: Short Lifespan. Even queen bees don't produce eggs forever - they grow old and die like everything else. If the average lifespan of a species is short enough, they won't run out of eggs. Simple as that.
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Two words: Short Lifespan. Even queen bees don't produce eggs forever - they grow old and die like everything else. If the average lifespan of a species is short enough, they won't run out of eggs. Simple as that.
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The "after a certain age" is in the fetal state. Humans are born with all the eggs they will ever have. I don't have the spoons to look it up for all mammals, but it's going to be the same or similar.
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The "after a certain age" is in the fetal state. Humans are born with all the eggs they will ever have. I don't have the spoons to look it up for all mammals, but it's going to be the same or similar.
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Lots of animals die after first spawn -- salmon, squid, ... . You want something which produces multiple spawns and doesn't "age out" ?
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– Carl Witthoft
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@CarlWitthoft Ideally, yes.
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The concept of a menopause is actually unusual, it's known to exist in the wild in 5 species, Humans, Orcas, Belugas, Narwhals, Short Finned Pilot Whales. While some other species exhibit menopause in captivity, others are definitely known not to e.g. cats and dogs.



In all other species the females are believed to remain fertile for their entire lives.



The only queen mammal I'm aware of is the naked mole rat.




The relationships between the queen and the breeding males may last for many years; other females are temporarily sterile. Queens live from 13 to 18 years, and are extremely hostile to other females behaving like queens, or producing hormones for becoming queens. When the queen dies, another female takes her place, sometimes after a violent struggle with her competitors. Once established, the new queen's body expands the space between the vertebrae in her backbone to become longer and ready to bear pups.







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    This answer actually surprised me quite a bit. I wasn't aware that menopause was so rare. So, in a sense, for other mammals what blocks older females from procreating isn't fertility, but the actual ability for the body to sustain the pregnancy?
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    @T.Sar, there's a theory that basically says something eats them before they become infertile. Note that all known species are at or close to the top of the food chain and highly social, so an individual no longer capable of surviving alone, or increasingly vulnerable due to age isn't necessarily going to be left out to die. Orcas are specifically known for caring for their elderly and disabled pod members.
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    There's another theory that applies specifically to social species, that says the daughter is likely to have a stronger offspring and that the pod should use the wisdom and knowledge of the matriarch to support grandchildren rather than more children and as such the menopause gives advantage to the group.
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    @T.Sar, reduction in fertility or successful reproduction as a function of decrepitude is to be expected in all species, this is noted in cats and dogs as well for example, as they get older they're less successful and in heat less often and less reliably, but there's never a full menopause.
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Women are born with approximately two million eggs in their ovaries, but about eleven thousand of them die every month prior to puberty.



Given one egg per month gives you a ballpark fertility age of 158,000 years (give or take 1,000 years).



If you're changing human biology enough that this is a normal lifespan, you can change it enough to keep the eggs fresh and only release one per month.






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    Or maybe even modify the biology to produce eggs to outpace their release?
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This article, in National Geographic, says women can produce eggs:




Women may make new eggs throughout their reproductive years—challenging a longstanding tenet that females are born with finite supplies, a new study says. The discovery may also lead to new avenues for improving women's health and fertility.




Who knew?



This means that the "finite number of eggs" reasoning behind menopause is not an absolute one in human biology, let alone non-human.






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The main issue here is that female mammals don't "produce" eggs, they mature them. every egg a female mammal will ever have is already present in the ovaries at birth.



To have a mammal with indefinite breeding age, and to reduce the negative effects of age on the egg (older eggs have had more time to become damaged), females must indeed produce eggs on the spot, similar to how the male produce sperm; sperm cells are always new and fresh, since they did not have the time to degrade the way eggs do.






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    The tools for making sperm don't age perfectly, either... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect
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    True; but better than pre-existing proto-eggs (the correct name for them escapes me at the time). Such a tool could be improved to age perfectly, but the current human ovary will inevitably run out, sometime, giving a maximum breeding age and amount of offspring for the female, not so much for the male
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Meerkat are mammals that have "queens" and a hive-like colony. So the phenomena of queen mammals already exists.



Basically the arrangement is that one or two females do all the breeding for a colony. The rest of the colony look after, feed the children, take care of the "queens", and so on. This is pretty much an identical set up to bees, but with fewer workers, and none of the haploid-ness.



There are a lot of intricacies to having a colony that is based around one or two females doing all the breeding that you can look into. For example avoiding inbreeding. However with regard to your specific concern:



Meerkats do not have infinite eggs, and don't need them. Infinite eggs are not required for animals that have finite lifespans. These animals only need to have more eggs than they can use in their lifetime.



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    The concept of a menopause is actually unusual, it's known to exist in the wild in 5 species, Humans, Orcas, Belugas, Narwhals, Short Finned Pilot Whales. While some other species exhibit menopause in captivity, others are definitely known not to e.g. cats and dogs.



    In all other species the females are believed to remain fertile for their entire lives.



    The only queen mammal I'm aware of is the naked mole rat.




    The relationships between the queen and the breeding males may last for many years; other females are temporarily sterile. Queens live from 13 to 18 years, and are extremely hostile to other females behaving like queens, or producing hormones for becoming queens. When the queen dies, another female takes her place, sometimes after a violent struggle with her competitors. Once established, the new queen's body expands the space between the vertebrae in her backbone to become longer and ready to bear pups.







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      This answer actually surprised me quite a bit. I wasn't aware that menopause was so rare. So, in a sense, for other mammals what blocks older females from procreating isn't fertility, but the actual ability for the body to sustain the pregnancy?
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      @T.Sar, there's a theory that basically says something eats them before they become infertile. Note that all known species are at or close to the top of the food chain and highly social, so an individual no longer capable of surviving alone, or increasingly vulnerable due to age isn't necessarily going to be left out to die. Orcas are specifically known for caring for their elderly and disabled pod members.
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      There's another theory that applies specifically to social species, that says the daughter is likely to have a stronger offspring and that the pod should use the wisdom and knowledge of the matriarch to support grandchildren rather than more children and as such the menopause gives advantage to the group.
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      @T.Sar, reduction in fertility or successful reproduction as a function of decrepitude is to be expected in all species, this is noted in cats and dogs as well for example, as they get older they're less successful and in heat less often and less reliably, but there's never a full menopause.
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    The concept of a menopause is actually unusual, it's known to exist in the wild in 5 species, Humans, Orcas, Belugas, Narwhals, Short Finned Pilot Whales. While some other species exhibit menopause in captivity, others are definitely known not to e.g. cats and dogs.



    In all other species the females are believed to remain fertile for their entire lives.



    The only queen mammal I'm aware of is the naked mole rat.




    The relationships between the queen and the breeding males may last for many years; other females are temporarily sterile. Queens live from 13 to 18 years, and are extremely hostile to other females behaving like queens, or producing hormones for becoming queens. When the queen dies, another female takes her place, sometimes after a violent struggle with her competitors. Once established, the new queen's body expands the space between the vertebrae in her backbone to become longer and ready to bear pups.







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      This answer actually surprised me quite a bit. I wasn't aware that menopause was so rare. So, in a sense, for other mammals what blocks older females from procreating isn't fertility, but the actual ability for the body to sustain the pregnancy?
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      @T.Sar, there's a theory that basically says something eats them before they become infertile. Note that all known species are at or close to the top of the food chain and highly social, so an individual no longer capable of surviving alone, or increasingly vulnerable due to age isn't necessarily going to be left out to die. Orcas are specifically known for caring for their elderly and disabled pod members.
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      There's another theory that applies specifically to social species, that says the daughter is likely to have a stronger offspring and that the pod should use the wisdom and knowledge of the matriarch to support grandchildren rather than more children and as such the menopause gives advantage to the group.
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      @T.Sar, reduction in fertility or successful reproduction as a function of decrepitude is to be expected in all species, this is noted in cats and dogs as well for example, as they get older they're less successful and in heat less often and less reliably, but there's never a full menopause.
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    The concept of a menopause is actually unusual, it's known to exist in the wild in 5 species, Humans, Orcas, Belugas, Narwhals, Short Finned Pilot Whales. While some other species exhibit menopause in captivity, others are definitely known not to e.g. cats and dogs.



    In all other species the females are believed to remain fertile for their entire lives.



    The only queen mammal I'm aware of is the naked mole rat.




    The relationships between the queen and the breeding males may last for many years; other females are temporarily sterile. Queens live from 13 to 18 years, and are extremely hostile to other females behaving like queens, or producing hormones for becoming queens. When the queen dies, another female takes her place, sometimes after a violent struggle with her competitors. Once established, the new queen's body expands the space between the vertebrae in her backbone to become longer and ready to bear pups.







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    The concept of a menopause is actually unusual, it's known to exist in the wild in 5 species, Humans, Orcas, Belugas, Narwhals, Short Finned Pilot Whales. While some other species exhibit menopause in captivity, others are definitely known not to e.g. cats and dogs.



    In all other species the females are believed to remain fertile for their entire lives.



    The only queen mammal I'm aware of is the naked mole rat.




    The relationships between the queen and the breeding males may last for many years; other females are temporarily sterile. Queens live from 13 to 18 years, and are extremely hostile to other females behaving like queens, or producing hormones for becoming queens. When the queen dies, another female takes her place, sometimes after a violent struggle with her competitors. Once established, the new queen's body expands the space between the vertebrae in her backbone to become longer and ready to bear pups.








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      This answer actually surprised me quite a bit. I wasn't aware that menopause was so rare. So, in a sense, for other mammals what blocks older females from procreating isn't fertility, but the actual ability for the body to sustain the pregnancy?
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      @T.Sar, there's a theory that basically says something eats them before they become infertile. Note that all known species are at or close to the top of the food chain and highly social, so an individual no longer capable of surviving alone, or increasingly vulnerable due to age isn't necessarily going to be left out to die. Orcas are specifically known for caring for their elderly and disabled pod members.
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      There's another theory that applies specifically to social species, that says the daughter is likely to have a stronger offspring and that the pod should use the wisdom and knowledge of the matriarch to support grandchildren rather than more children and as such the menopause gives advantage to the group.
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      @T.Sar, reduction in fertility or successful reproduction as a function of decrepitude is to be expected in all species, this is noted in cats and dogs as well for example, as they get older they're less successful and in heat less often and less reliably, but there's never a full menopause.
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      With 'forever' I was implying the same. The title has been adjusted to reduce confusion.
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      This answer actually surprised me quite a bit. I wasn't aware that menopause was so rare. So, in a sense, for other mammals what blocks older females from procreating isn't fertility, but the actual ability for the body to sustain the pregnancy?
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      @T.Sar, there's a theory that basically says something eats them before they become infertile. Note that all known species are at or close to the top of the food chain and highly social, so an individual no longer capable of surviving alone, or increasingly vulnerable due to age isn't necessarily going to be left out to die. Orcas are specifically known for caring for their elderly and disabled pod members.
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      @T.Sar, reduction in fertility or successful reproduction as a function of decrepitude is to be expected in all species, this is noted in cats and dogs as well for example, as they get older they're less successful and in heat less often and less reliably, but there's never a full menopause.
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    This answer actually surprised me quite a bit. I wasn't aware that menopause was so rare. So, in a sense, for other mammals what blocks older females from procreating isn't fertility, but the actual ability for the body to sustain the pregnancy?
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    This answer actually surprised me quite a bit. I wasn't aware that menopause was so rare. So, in a sense, for other mammals what blocks older females from procreating isn't fertility, but the actual ability for the body to sustain the pregnancy?
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    @T.Sar, there's a theory that basically says something eats them before they become infertile. Note that all known species are at or close to the top of the food chain and highly social, so an individual no longer capable of surviving alone, or increasingly vulnerable due to age isn't necessarily going to be left out to die. Orcas are specifically known for caring for their elderly and disabled pod members.
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    There's another theory that applies specifically to social species, that says the daughter is likely to have a stronger offspring and that the pod should use the wisdom and knowledge of the matriarch to support grandchildren rather than more children and as such the menopause gives advantage to the group.
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    @T.Sar, reduction in fertility or successful reproduction as a function of decrepitude is to be expected in all species, this is noted in cats and dogs as well for example, as they get older they're less successful and in heat less often and less reliably, but there's never a full menopause.
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    @T.Sar, reduction in fertility or successful reproduction as a function of decrepitude is to be expected in all species, this is noted in cats and dogs as well for example, as they get older they're less successful and in heat less often and less reliably, but there's never a full menopause.
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    Women are born with approximately two million eggs in their ovaries, but about eleven thousand of them die every month prior to puberty.



    Given one egg per month gives you a ballpark fertility age of 158,000 years (give or take 1,000 years).



    If you're changing human biology enough that this is a normal lifespan, you can change it enough to keep the eggs fresh and only release one per month.






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      Or maybe even modify the biology to produce eggs to outpace their release?
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    Women are born with approximately two million eggs in their ovaries, but about eleven thousand of them die every month prior to puberty.



    Given one egg per month gives you a ballpark fertility age of 158,000 years (give or take 1,000 years).



    If you're changing human biology enough that this is a normal lifespan, you can change it enough to keep the eggs fresh and only release one per month.






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    Women are born with approximately two million eggs in their ovaries, but about eleven thousand of them die every month prior to puberty.



    Given one egg per month gives you a ballpark fertility age of 158,000 years (give or take 1,000 years).



    If you're changing human biology enough that this is a normal lifespan, you can change it enough to keep the eggs fresh and only release one per month.






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    Women are born with approximately two million eggs in their ovaries, but about eleven thousand of them die every month prior to puberty.



    Given one egg per month gives you a ballpark fertility age of 158,000 years (give or take 1,000 years).



    If you're changing human biology enough that this is a normal lifespan, you can change it enough to keep the eggs fresh and only release one per month.







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    This article, in National Geographic, says women can produce eggs:




    Women may make new eggs throughout their reproductive years—challenging a longstanding tenet that females are born with finite supplies, a new study says. The discovery may also lead to new avenues for improving women's health and fertility.




    Who knew?



    This means that the "finite number of eggs" reasoning behind menopause is not an absolute one in human biology, let alone non-human.






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    This article, in National Geographic, says women can produce eggs:




    Women may make new eggs throughout their reproductive years—challenging a longstanding tenet that females are born with finite supplies, a new study says. The discovery may also lead to new avenues for improving women's health and fertility.




    Who knew?



    This means that the "finite number of eggs" reasoning behind menopause is not an absolute one in human biology, let alone non-human.






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    This article, in National Geographic, says women can produce eggs:




    Women may make new eggs throughout their reproductive years—challenging a longstanding tenet that females are born with finite supplies, a new study says. The discovery may also lead to new avenues for improving women's health and fertility.




    Who knew?



    This means that the "finite number of eggs" reasoning behind menopause is not an absolute one in human biology, let alone non-human.






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    This article, in National Geographic, says women can produce eggs:




    Women may make new eggs throughout their reproductive years—challenging a longstanding tenet that females are born with finite supplies, a new study says. The discovery may also lead to new avenues for improving women's health and fertility.




    Who knew?



    This means that the "finite number of eggs" reasoning behind menopause is not an absolute one in human biology, let alone non-human.







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    The main issue here is that female mammals don't "produce" eggs, they mature them. every egg a female mammal will ever have is already present in the ovaries at birth.



    To have a mammal with indefinite breeding age, and to reduce the negative effects of age on the egg (older eggs have had more time to become damaged), females must indeed produce eggs on the spot, similar to how the male produce sperm; sperm cells are always new and fresh, since they did not have the time to degrade the way eggs do.






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      The tools for making sperm don't age perfectly, either... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect
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      True; but better than pre-existing proto-eggs (the correct name for them escapes me at the time). Such a tool could be improved to age perfectly, but the current human ovary will inevitably run out, sometime, giving a maximum breeding age and amount of offspring for the female, not so much for the male
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    The main issue here is that female mammals don't "produce" eggs, they mature them. every egg a female mammal will ever have is already present in the ovaries at birth.



    To have a mammal with indefinite breeding age, and to reduce the negative effects of age on the egg (older eggs have had more time to become damaged), females must indeed produce eggs on the spot, similar to how the male produce sperm; sperm cells are always new and fresh, since they did not have the time to degrade the way eggs do.






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      $begingroup$
      The tools for making sperm don't age perfectly, either... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect
      $endgroup$
      – user3067860
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    • $begingroup$
      True; but better than pre-existing proto-eggs (the correct name for them escapes me at the time). Such a tool could be improved to age perfectly, but the current human ovary will inevitably run out, sometime, giving a maximum breeding age and amount of offspring for the female, not so much for the male
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    $begingroup$

    The main issue here is that female mammals don't "produce" eggs, they mature them. every egg a female mammal will ever have is already present in the ovaries at birth.



    To have a mammal with indefinite breeding age, and to reduce the negative effects of age on the egg (older eggs have had more time to become damaged), females must indeed produce eggs on the spot, similar to how the male produce sperm; sperm cells are always new and fresh, since they did not have the time to degrade the way eggs do.






    share|improve this answer









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    The main issue here is that female mammals don't "produce" eggs, they mature them. every egg a female mammal will ever have is already present in the ovaries at birth.



    To have a mammal with indefinite breeding age, and to reduce the negative effects of age on the egg (older eggs have had more time to become damaged), females must indeed produce eggs on the spot, similar to how the male produce sperm; sperm cells are always new and fresh, since they did not have the time to degrade the way eggs do.







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      The tools for making sperm don't age perfectly, either... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect
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      – user3067860
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    • $begingroup$
      True; but better than pre-existing proto-eggs (the correct name for them escapes me at the time). Such a tool could be improved to age perfectly, but the current human ovary will inevitably run out, sometime, giving a maximum breeding age and amount of offspring for the female, not so much for the male
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      $begingroup$
      The tools for making sperm don't age perfectly, either... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect
      $endgroup$
      – user3067860
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    • $begingroup$
      True; but better than pre-existing proto-eggs (the correct name for them escapes me at the time). Such a tool could be improved to age perfectly, but the current human ovary will inevitably run out, sometime, giving a maximum breeding age and amount of offspring for the female, not so much for the male
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    $begingroup$
    The tools for making sperm don't age perfectly, either... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect
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    – user3067860
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    $begingroup$
    The tools for making sperm don't age perfectly, either... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect
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    – user3067860
    6 hours ago












    $begingroup$
    True; but better than pre-existing proto-eggs (the correct name for them escapes me at the time). Such a tool could be improved to age perfectly, but the current human ovary will inevitably run out, sometime, giving a maximum breeding age and amount of offspring for the female, not so much for the male
    $endgroup$
    – ThisIsMe
    6 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    True; but better than pre-existing proto-eggs (the correct name for them escapes me at the time). Such a tool could be improved to age perfectly, but the current human ovary will inevitably run out, sometime, giving a maximum breeding age and amount of offspring for the female, not so much for the male
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    Meerkat are mammals that have "queens" and a hive-like colony. So the phenomena of queen mammals already exists.



    Basically the arrangement is that one or two females do all the breeding for a colony. The rest of the colony look after, feed the children, take care of the "queens", and so on. This is pretty much an identical set up to bees, but with fewer workers, and none of the haploid-ness.



    There are a lot of intricacies to having a colony that is based around one or two females doing all the breeding that you can look into. For example avoiding inbreeding. However with regard to your specific concern:



    Meerkats do not have infinite eggs, and don't need them. Infinite eggs are not required for animals that have finite lifespans. These animals only need to have more eggs than they can use in their lifetime.



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      Meerkat are mammals that have "queens" and a hive-like colony. So the phenomena of queen mammals already exists.



      Basically the arrangement is that one or two females do all the breeding for a colony. The rest of the colony look after, feed the children, take care of the "queens", and so on. This is pretty much an identical set up to bees, but with fewer workers, and none of the haploid-ness.



      There are a lot of intricacies to having a colony that is based around one or two females doing all the breeding that you can look into. For example avoiding inbreeding. However with regard to your specific concern:



      Meerkats do not have infinite eggs, and don't need them. Infinite eggs are not required for animals that have finite lifespans. These animals only need to have more eggs than they can use in their lifetime.



      Wiki link






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        Meerkat are mammals that have "queens" and a hive-like colony. So the phenomena of queen mammals already exists.



        Basically the arrangement is that one or two females do all the breeding for a colony. The rest of the colony look after, feed the children, take care of the "queens", and so on. This is pretty much an identical set up to bees, but with fewer workers, and none of the haploid-ness.



        There are a lot of intricacies to having a colony that is based around one or two females doing all the breeding that you can look into. For example avoiding inbreeding. However with regard to your specific concern:



        Meerkats do not have infinite eggs, and don't need them. Infinite eggs are not required for animals that have finite lifespans. These animals only need to have more eggs than they can use in their lifetime.



        Wiki link






        share|improve this answer











        $endgroup$



        Meerkat are mammals that have "queens" and a hive-like colony. So the phenomena of queen mammals already exists.



        Basically the arrangement is that one or two females do all the breeding for a colony. The rest of the colony look after, feed the children, take care of the "queens", and so on. This is pretty much an identical set up to bees, but with fewer workers, and none of the haploid-ness.



        There are a lot of intricacies to having a colony that is based around one or two females doing all the breeding that you can look into. For example avoiding inbreeding. However with regard to your specific concern:



        Meerkats do not have infinite eggs, and don't need them. Infinite eggs are not required for animals that have finite lifespans. These animals only need to have more eggs than they can use in their lifetime.



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