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          Airline pax windows are cast acrylic plastic (plexiglass) and when the panels age they can get little microcracks in the surface called crazing. This can be formed from long term tension stress on the crazed surface as well as from degradation from chemicals (ammonia is one of the worst - NEVER use Windex or equivalent on plexiglass) or UV (acrylic cast for aircraft has a UV block in it that makes it relatively resistant to UV).



          On airline windows it's mostly due to long term surface stress because the pressurization system is trying to blow the window out all the time and the outer layer is in tension. Minor crazing is not a structural problem because it is in the outer couple thousandths of an inch of the plastic and doesn't reduce its strength significantly (1/4" thick acrylic sheet at 8ksi tensile strength, like you would typically find in a pressurized aircraft window, is roughly equivalent in tensile strength to .050" 2024 aluminum, so it's not that much different than the adjacent aluminum skin with minor abrasion surface scratches, structurally speaking).



          Airlines restore windows with crazing and scratches by removing the outer crazed layer with abrasive products made for the purpose (like Micro Mesh https://micro-surface.com/). There is an allowable minimum thickness of the acrylic and they can go down to that, and if crazing is still apparent at that point the window is scrap.






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          • Thanks John, That makes sense and I appreciate the time and effort providing such a detailed answer. Cheers Ian
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          • I was in China on business once and rode on a Shandong Airlines 737 with cabin windows that appeared to have been restored using Micro Mesh (a very special type of rubberized sandpaper) and they didn't do a particularly even job of it. My window was wavy like a window pane from a 19th century farmhouse lol.
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          There is usually a plexiglass cover on the inside of an aircraft window. There tends to be a little hole in the plexiglass cover to make sure there is not much pressure difference on the cover. The cracks are probably only on the cover, and not in the window itself. If it really is the window, it was probably replaced already. The cover has no structural role, it is just for thermal isolation, and to keep passengers away from the real window, so it is nothing to be worried about.






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          • This seems unlikely as there is no stress on the inner window due to the vent hole you mentioned. John K's answer seems much more likely.
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          • These cracks are much deeper than a few thousands of an inch, you need a magnifying glass or a microscope to see cracks that small. Constant stress is not needed to cause cracks, the inner panes are loaded during (de-)pressurisation.
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          Airline pax windows are cast acrylic plastic (plexiglass) and when the panels age they can get little microcracks in the surface called crazing. This can be formed from long term tension stress on the crazed surface as well as from degradation from chemicals (ammonia is one of the worst - NEVER use Windex or equivalent on plexiglass) or UV (acrylic cast for aircraft has a UV block in it that makes it relatively resistant to UV).



          On airline windows it's mostly due to long term surface stress because the pressurization system is trying to blow the window out all the time and the outer layer is in tension. Minor crazing is not a structural problem because it is in the outer couple thousandths of an inch of the plastic and doesn't reduce its strength significantly (1/4" thick acrylic sheet at 8ksi tensile strength, like you would typically find in a pressurized aircraft window, is roughly equivalent in tensile strength to .050" 2024 aluminum, so it's not that much different than the adjacent aluminum skin with minor abrasion surface scratches, structurally speaking).



          Airlines restore windows with crazing and scratches by removing the outer crazed layer with abrasive products made for the purpose (like Micro Mesh https://micro-surface.com/). There is an allowable minimum thickness of the acrylic and they can go down to that, and if crazing is still apparent at that point the window is scrap.






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          • Thanks John, That makes sense and I appreciate the time and effort providing such a detailed answer. Cheers Ian
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          • I was in China on business once and rode on a Shandong Airlines 737 with cabin windows that appeared to have been restored using Micro Mesh (a very special type of rubberized sandpaper) and they didn't do a particularly even job of it. My window was wavy like a window pane from a 19th century farmhouse lol.
            – John K
            23 hours ago















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          Airline pax windows are cast acrylic plastic (plexiglass) and when the panels age they can get little microcracks in the surface called crazing. This can be formed from long term tension stress on the crazed surface as well as from degradation from chemicals (ammonia is one of the worst - NEVER use Windex or equivalent on plexiglass) or UV (acrylic cast for aircraft has a UV block in it that makes it relatively resistant to UV).



          On airline windows it's mostly due to long term surface stress because the pressurization system is trying to blow the window out all the time and the outer layer is in tension. Minor crazing is not a structural problem because it is in the outer couple thousandths of an inch of the plastic and doesn't reduce its strength significantly (1/4" thick acrylic sheet at 8ksi tensile strength, like you would typically find in a pressurized aircraft window, is roughly equivalent in tensile strength to .050" 2024 aluminum, so it's not that much different than the adjacent aluminum skin with minor abrasion surface scratches, structurally speaking).



          Airlines restore windows with crazing and scratches by removing the outer crazed layer with abrasive products made for the purpose (like Micro Mesh https://micro-surface.com/). There is an allowable minimum thickness of the acrylic and they can go down to that, and if crazing is still apparent at that point the window is scrap.






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          • Thanks John, That makes sense and I appreciate the time and effort providing such a detailed answer. Cheers Ian
            – Ian Aitken
            yesterday










          • I was in China on business once and rode on a Shandong Airlines 737 with cabin windows that appeared to have been restored using Micro Mesh (a very special type of rubberized sandpaper) and they didn't do a particularly even job of it. My window was wavy like a window pane from a 19th century farmhouse lol.
            – John K
            23 hours ago













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          Airline pax windows are cast acrylic plastic (plexiglass) and when the panels age they can get little microcracks in the surface called crazing. This can be formed from long term tension stress on the crazed surface as well as from degradation from chemicals (ammonia is one of the worst - NEVER use Windex or equivalent on plexiglass) or UV (acrylic cast for aircraft has a UV block in it that makes it relatively resistant to UV).



          On airline windows it's mostly due to long term surface stress because the pressurization system is trying to blow the window out all the time and the outer layer is in tension. Minor crazing is not a structural problem because it is in the outer couple thousandths of an inch of the plastic and doesn't reduce its strength significantly (1/4" thick acrylic sheet at 8ksi tensile strength, like you would typically find in a pressurized aircraft window, is roughly equivalent in tensile strength to .050" 2024 aluminum, so it's not that much different than the adjacent aluminum skin with minor abrasion surface scratches, structurally speaking).



          Airlines restore windows with crazing and scratches by removing the outer crazed layer with abrasive products made for the purpose (like Micro Mesh https://micro-surface.com/). There is an allowable minimum thickness of the acrylic and they can go down to that, and if crazing is still apparent at that point the window is scrap.






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          Airline pax windows are cast acrylic plastic (plexiglass) and when the panels age they can get little microcracks in the surface called crazing. This can be formed from long term tension stress on the crazed surface as well as from degradation from chemicals (ammonia is one of the worst - NEVER use Windex or equivalent on plexiglass) or UV (acrylic cast for aircraft has a UV block in it that makes it relatively resistant to UV).



          On airline windows it's mostly due to long term surface stress because the pressurization system is trying to blow the window out all the time and the outer layer is in tension. Minor crazing is not a structural problem because it is in the outer couple thousandths of an inch of the plastic and doesn't reduce its strength significantly (1/4" thick acrylic sheet at 8ksi tensile strength, like you would typically find in a pressurized aircraft window, is roughly equivalent in tensile strength to .050" 2024 aluminum, so it's not that much different than the adjacent aluminum skin with minor abrasion surface scratches, structurally speaking).



          Airlines restore windows with crazing and scratches by removing the outer crazed layer with abrasive products made for the purpose (like Micro Mesh https://micro-surface.com/). There is an allowable minimum thickness of the acrylic and they can go down to that, and if crazing is still apparent at that point the window is scrap.







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          • Thanks John, That makes sense and I appreciate the time and effort providing such a detailed answer. Cheers Ian
            – Ian Aitken
            yesterday










          • I was in China on business once and rode on a Shandong Airlines 737 with cabin windows that appeared to have been restored using Micro Mesh (a very special type of rubberized sandpaper) and they didn't do a particularly even job of it. My window was wavy like a window pane from a 19th century farmhouse lol.
            – John K
            23 hours ago


















          • Thanks John, That makes sense and I appreciate the time and effort providing such a detailed answer. Cheers Ian
            – Ian Aitken
            yesterday










          • I was in China on business once and rode on a Shandong Airlines 737 with cabin windows that appeared to have been restored using Micro Mesh (a very special type of rubberized sandpaper) and they didn't do a particularly even job of it. My window was wavy like a window pane from a 19th century farmhouse lol.
            – John K
            23 hours ago
















          Thanks John, That makes sense and I appreciate the time and effort providing such a detailed answer. Cheers Ian
          – Ian Aitken
          yesterday




          Thanks John, That makes sense and I appreciate the time and effort providing such a detailed answer. Cheers Ian
          – Ian Aitken
          yesterday












          I was in China on business once and rode on a Shandong Airlines 737 with cabin windows that appeared to have been restored using Micro Mesh (a very special type of rubberized sandpaper) and they didn't do a particularly even job of it. My window was wavy like a window pane from a 19th century farmhouse lol.
          – John K
          23 hours ago




          I was in China on business once and rode on a Shandong Airlines 737 with cabin windows that appeared to have been restored using Micro Mesh (a very special type of rubberized sandpaper) and they didn't do a particularly even job of it. My window was wavy like a window pane from a 19th century farmhouse lol.
          – John K
          23 hours ago










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          There is usually a plexiglass cover on the inside of an aircraft window. There tends to be a little hole in the plexiglass cover to make sure there is not much pressure difference on the cover. The cracks are probably only on the cover, and not in the window itself. If it really is the window, it was probably replaced already. The cover has no structural role, it is just for thermal isolation, and to keep passengers away from the real window, so it is nothing to be worried about.






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          • This seems unlikely as there is no stress on the inner window due to the vent hole you mentioned. John K's answer seems much more likely.
            – Transistor
            yesterday










          • These cracks are much deeper than a few thousands of an inch, you need a magnifying glass or a microscope to see cracks that small. Constant stress is not needed to cause cracks, the inner panes are loaded during (de-)pressurisation.
            – Orbit
            15 hours ago















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          There is usually a plexiglass cover on the inside of an aircraft window. There tends to be a little hole in the plexiglass cover to make sure there is not much pressure difference on the cover. The cracks are probably only on the cover, and not in the window itself. If it really is the window, it was probably replaced already. The cover has no structural role, it is just for thermal isolation, and to keep passengers away from the real window, so it is nothing to be worried about.






          share|improve this answer





















          • This seems unlikely as there is no stress on the inner window due to the vent hole you mentioned. John K's answer seems much more likely.
            – Transistor
            yesterday










          • These cracks are much deeper than a few thousands of an inch, you need a magnifying glass or a microscope to see cracks that small. Constant stress is not needed to cause cracks, the inner panes are loaded during (de-)pressurisation.
            – Orbit
            15 hours ago













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          There is usually a plexiglass cover on the inside of an aircraft window. There tends to be a little hole in the plexiglass cover to make sure there is not much pressure difference on the cover. The cracks are probably only on the cover, and not in the window itself. If it really is the window, it was probably replaced already. The cover has no structural role, it is just for thermal isolation, and to keep passengers away from the real window, so it is nothing to be worried about.






          share|improve this answer












          There is usually a plexiglass cover on the inside of an aircraft window. There tends to be a little hole in the plexiglass cover to make sure there is not much pressure difference on the cover. The cracks are probably only on the cover, and not in the window itself. If it really is the window, it was probably replaced already. The cover has no structural role, it is just for thermal isolation, and to keep passengers away from the real window, so it is nothing to be worried about.







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          • This seems unlikely as there is no stress on the inner window due to the vent hole you mentioned. John K's answer seems much more likely.
            – Transistor
            yesterday










          • These cracks are much deeper than a few thousands of an inch, you need a magnifying glass or a microscope to see cracks that small. Constant stress is not needed to cause cracks, the inner panes are loaded during (de-)pressurisation.
            – Orbit
            15 hours ago


















          • This seems unlikely as there is no stress on the inner window due to the vent hole you mentioned. John K's answer seems much more likely.
            – Transistor
            yesterday










          • These cracks are much deeper than a few thousands of an inch, you need a magnifying glass or a microscope to see cracks that small. Constant stress is not needed to cause cracks, the inner panes are loaded during (de-)pressurisation.
            – Orbit
            15 hours ago
















          This seems unlikely as there is no stress on the inner window due to the vent hole you mentioned. John K's answer seems much more likely.
          – Transistor
          yesterday




          This seems unlikely as there is no stress on the inner window due to the vent hole you mentioned. John K's answer seems much more likely.
          – Transistor
          yesterday












          These cracks are much deeper than a few thousands of an inch, you need a magnifying glass or a microscope to see cracks that small. Constant stress is not needed to cause cracks, the inner panes are loaded during (de-)pressurisation.
          – Orbit
          15 hours ago




          These cracks are much deeper than a few thousands of an inch, you need a magnifying glass or a microscope to see cracks that small. Constant stress is not needed to cause cracks, the inner panes are loaded during (de-)pressurisation.
          – Orbit
          15 hours ago










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