Storage of electrolytic capacitors - how long?
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I have a high voltage (750V) high value electrolytic cap about as big as my forearm. It has been in my storage box for about 20 years. In general, do electrolytics degrade under normal storage conditions ie room temperature over such a time? Not quite sure what type it is, but probably a standard Aluminium foil, not solid state. If they do degrade, what characteristics degrade?
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I have a high voltage (750V) high value electrolytic cap about as big as my forearm. It has been in my storage box for about 20 years. In general, do electrolytics degrade under normal storage conditions ie room temperature over such a time? Not quite sure what type it is, but probably a standard Aluminium foil, not solid state. If they do degrade, what characteristics degrade?
electrolytic-capacitor storage
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Dirk BruereDirk Bruere
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I don't know enough to answer properly but it's a common problem on bringing old valve radio or test equipment back to life after years on the shelf. The normal practice is to use a variac (and, for you, a rectifier too) and slowly bring the voltage up - maybe with an inline current limiting resistor and an ammeter. Time to full voltage might be in the region of 20 minutes or so with "soakage" time at various points along the way. Elektor magazine had some articles on this in their Retronics section. There may be some freely available on line.
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– Transistor
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@Transistor Thanks. However, the energy storage is in the hundreds of joules and I don't want it popping!
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– Dirk Bruere
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@DirkBruere Safest option is probably to just replace it, though capacitors that large get quite expensive so this probably isn't the best option.
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– Hearth
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I have a slightly less capable (just the size of a coke can) capacitor in a very similar situation (stored in a box for decade(s)) which I noticed has started to "gurgle" or "cluck" when I shake it.
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– pipe
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While the experts on this site are busy answering the main question, I will answer the easy bit: if it gurgles or clucks then there is a risk it may produce other sound effects (such as bang or phizz) when you wire it up to the mains. I suggest you test it while wearing safety goggles and standing at least 100m away and you should be OK. Under these test conditions there is no need for the other precautions that would limit the rate of charge,as suggested by Transistor.
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I have a high voltage (750V) high value electrolytic cap about as big as my forearm. It has been in my storage box for about 20 years. In general, do electrolytics degrade under normal storage conditions ie room temperature over such a time? Not quite sure what type it is, but probably a standard Aluminium foil, not solid state. If they do degrade, what characteristics degrade?
electrolytic-capacitor storage
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Dirk BruereDirk Bruere
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I have a high voltage (750V) high value electrolytic cap about as big as my forearm. It has been in my storage box for about 20 years. In general, do electrolytics degrade under normal storage conditions ie room temperature over such a time? Not quite sure what type it is, but probably a standard Aluminium foil, not solid state. If they do degrade, what characteristics degrade?
electrolytic-capacitor storage
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Dirk BruereDirk Bruere
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I don't know enough to answer properly but it's a common problem on bringing old valve radio or test equipment back to life after years on the shelf. The normal practice is to use a variac (and, for you, a rectifier too) and slowly bring the voltage up - maybe with an inline current limiting resistor and an ammeter. Time to full voltage might be in the region of 20 minutes or so with "soakage" time at various points along the way. Elektor magazine had some articles on this in their Retronics section. There may be some freely available on line.
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– Transistor
yesterday
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@Transistor Thanks. However, the energy storage is in the hundreds of joules and I don't want it popping!
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– Dirk Bruere
yesterday
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@DirkBruere Safest option is probably to just replace it, though capacitors that large get quite expensive so this probably isn't the best option.
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– Hearth
yesterday
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I have a slightly less capable (just the size of a coke can) capacitor in a very similar situation (stored in a box for decade(s)) which I noticed has started to "gurgle" or "cluck" when I shake it.
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– pipe
yesterday
1
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While the experts on this site are busy answering the main question, I will answer the easy bit: if it gurgles or clucks then there is a risk it may produce other sound effects (such as bang or phizz) when you wire it up to the mains. I suggest you test it while wearing safety goggles and standing at least 100m away and you should be OK. Under these test conditions there is no need for the other precautions that would limit the rate of charge,as suggested by Transistor.
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– David Robinson
10 hours ago
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I don't know enough to answer properly but it's a common problem on bringing old valve radio or test equipment back to life after years on the shelf. The normal practice is to use a variac (and, for you, a rectifier too) and slowly bring the voltage up - maybe with an inline current limiting resistor and an ammeter. Time to full voltage might be in the region of 20 minutes or so with "soakage" time at various points along the way. Elektor magazine had some articles on this in their Retronics section. There may be some freely available on line.
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– Transistor
yesterday
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@Transistor Thanks. However, the energy storage is in the hundreds of joules and I don't want it popping!
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– Dirk Bruere
yesterday
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@DirkBruere Safest option is probably to just replace it, though capacitors that large get quite expensive so this probably isn't the best option.
$endgroup$
– Hearth
yesterday
$begingroup$
I have a slightly less capable (just the size of a coke can) capacitor in a very similar situation (stored in a box for decade(s)) which I noticed has started to "gurgle" or "cluck" when I shake it.
$endgroup$
– pipe
yesterday
1
$begingroup$
While the experts on this site are busy answering the main question, I will answer the easy bit: if it gurgles or clucks then there is a risk it may produce other sound effects (such as bang or phizz) when you wire it up to the mains. I suggest you test it while wearing safety goggles and standing at least 100m away and you should be OK. Under these test conditions there is no need for the other precautions that would limit the rate of charge,as suggested by Transistor.
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– David Robinson
10 hours ago
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5
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I don't know enough to answer properly but it's a common problem on bringing old valve radio or test equipment back to life after years on the shelf. The normal practice is to use a variac (and, for you, a rectifier too) and slowly bring the voltage up - maybe with an inline current limiting resistor and an ammeter. Time to full voltage might be in the region of 20 minutes or so with "soakage" time at various points along the way. Elektor magazine had some articles on this in their Retronics section. There may be some freely available on line.
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– Transistor
yesterday
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I don't know enough to answer properly but it's a common problem on bringing old valve radio or test equipment back to life after years on the shelf. The normal practice is to use a variac (and, for you, a rectifier too) and slowly bring the voltage up - maybe with an inline current limiting resistor and an ammeter. Time to full voltage might be in the region of 20 minutes or so with "soakage" time at various points along the way. Elektor magazine had some articles on this in their Retronics section. There may be some freely available on line.
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– Transistor
yesterday
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@Transistor Thanks. However, the energy storage is in the hundreds of joules and I don't want it popping!
$endgroup$
– Dirk Bruere
yesterday
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@Transistor Thanks. However, the energy storage is in the hundreds of joules and I don't want it popping!
$endgroup$
– Dirk Bruere
yesterday
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@DirkBruere Safest option is probably to just replace it, though capacitors that large get quite expensive so this probably isn't the best option.
$endgroup$
– Hearth
yesterday
$begingroup$
@DirkBruere Safest option is probably to just replace it, though capacitors that large get quite expensive so this probably isn't the best option.
$endgroup$
– Hearth
yesterday
$begingroup$
I have a slightly less capable (just the size of a coke can) capacitor in a very similar situation (stored in a box for decade(s)) which I noticed has started to "gurgle" or "cluck" when I shake it.
$endgroup$
– pipe
yesterday
$begingroup$
I have a slightly less capable (just the size of a coke can) capacitor in a very similar situation (stored in a box for decade(s)) which I noticed has started to "gurgle" or "cluck" when I shake it.
$endgroup$
– pipe
yesterday
1
1
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While the experts on this site are busy answering the main question, I will answer the easy bit: if it gurgles or clucks then there is a risk it may produce other sound effects (such as bang or phizz) when you wire it up to the mains. I suggest you test it while wearing safety goggles and standing at least 100m away and you should be OK. Under these test conditions there is no need for the other precautions that would limit the rate of charge,as suggested by Transistor.
$endgroup$
– David Robinson
10 hours ago
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While the experts on this site are busy answering the main question, I will answer the easy bit: if it gurgles or clucks then there is a risk it may produce other sound effects (such as bang or phizz) when you wire it up to the mains. I suggest you test it while wearing safety goggles and standing at least 100m away and you should be OK. Under these test conditions there is no need for the other precautions that would limit the rate of charge,as suggested by Transistor.
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– David Robinson
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The main thing that degrades is the aluminum oxide dielectric layer on the surface of the aluminum foil. It's also possible that electrolyte (or at least its more volatile components) has leaked through the seals.
You can try to re-form the oxide using the procedure that @Transistor has outlined: Use a variable DC voltage source to bring up the voltage on the capacitor gradually over the course of several hours. Monitor the leakage current carefully, and if it starts to rise out of proportion to the voltage, hold the voltage there and see if it goes back down.
The only thing that will make it "pop" is excessive power dissipation, so keep track of the power, and if it rises above a watt or two, you're probably out of luck.
If you get to full rated voltage successfully, you still need to measure the actual capacitance to verify that you haven't lost electrolyte. Be sure to discharge the high voltage first!
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The main thing that degrades is the aluminum oxide dielectric layer on the surface of the aluminum foil. It's also possible that electrolyte (or at least its more volatile components) has leaked through the seals.
You can try to re-form the oxide using the procedure that @Transistor has outlined: Use a variable DC voltage source to bring up the voltage on the capacitor gradually over the course of several hours. Monitor the leakage current carefully, and if it starts to rise out of proportion to the voltage, hold the voltage there and see if it goes back down.
The only thing that will make it "pop" is excessive power dissipation, so keep track of the power, and if it rises above a watt or two, you're probably out of luck.
If you get to full rated voltage successfully, you still need to measure the actual capacitance to verify that you haven't lost electrolyte. Be sure to discharge the high voltage first!
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The main thing that degrades is the aluminum oxide dielectric layer on the surface of the aluminum foil. It's also possible that electrolyte (or at least its more volatile components) has leaked through the seals.
You can try to re-form the oxide using the procedure that @Transistor has outlined: Use a variable DC voltage source to bring up the voltage on the capacitor gradually over the course of several hours. Monitor the leakage current carefully, and if it starts to rise out of proportion to the voltage, hold the voltage there and see if it goes back down.
The only thing that will make it "pop" is excessive power dissipation, so keep track of the power, and if it rises above a watt or two, you're probably out of luck.
If you get to full rated voltage successfully, you still need to measure the actual capacitance to verify that you haven't lost electrolyte. Be sure to discharge the high voltage first!
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The main thing that degrades is the aluminum oxide dielectric layer on the surface of the aluminum foil. It's also possible that electrolyte (or at least its more volatile components) has leaked through the seals.
You can try to re-form the oxide using the procedure that @Transistor has outlined: Use a variable DC voltage source to bring up the voltage on the capacitor gradually over the course of several hours. Monitor the leakage current carefully, and if it starts to rise out of proportion to the voltage, hold the voltage there and see if it goes back down.
The only thing that will make it "pop" is excessive power dissipation, so keep track of the power, and if it rises above a watt or two, you're probably out of luck.
If you get to full rated voltage successfully, you still need to measure the actual capacitance to verify that you haven't lost electrolyte. Be sure to discharge the high voltage first!
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Dave Tweed♦Dave Tweed
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The main thing that degrades is the aluminum oxide dielectric layer on the surface of the aluminum foil. It's also possible that electrolyte (or at least its more volatile components) has leaked through the seals.
You can try to re-form the oxide using the procedure that @Transistor has outlined: Use a variable DC voltage source to bring up the voltage on the capacitor gradually over the course of several hours. Monitor the leakage current carefully, and if it starts to rise out of proportion to the voltage, hold the voltage there and see if it goes back down.
The only thing that will make it "pop" is excessive power dissipation, so keep track of the power, and if it rises above a watt or two, you're probably out of luck.
If you get to full rated voltage successfully, you still need to measure the actual capacitance to verify that you haven't lost electrolyte. Be sure to discharge the high voltage first!
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I don't know enough to answer properly but it's a common problem on bringing old valve radio or test equipment back to life after years on the shelf. The normal practice is to use a variac (and, for you, a rectifier too) and slowly bring the voltage up - maybe with an inline current limiting resistor and an ammeter. Time to full voltage might be in the region of 20 minutes or so with "soakage" time at various points along the way. Elektor magazine had some articles on this in their Retronics section. There may be some freely available on line.
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– Transistor
yesterday
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@Transistor Thanks. However, the energy storage is in the hundreds of joules and I don't want it popping!
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– Dirk Bruere
yesterday
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@DirkBruere Safest option is probably to just replace it, though capacitors that large get quite expensive so this probably isn't the best option.
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– Hearth
yesterday
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I have a slightly less capable (just the size of a coke can) capacitor in a very similar situation (stored in a box for decade(s)) which I noticed has started to "gurgle" or "cluck" when I shake it.
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– pipe
yesterday
1
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While the experts on this site are busy answering the main question, I will answer the easy bit: if it gurgles or clucks then there is a risk it may produce other sound effects (such as bang or phizz) when you wire it up to the mains. I suggest you test it while wearing safety goggles and standing at least 100m away and you should be OK. Under these test conditions there is no need for the other precautions that would limit the rate of charge,as suggested by Transistor.
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– David Robinson
10 hours ago