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Today I told my friend that yesterday I had read the book which my father had given me two weeks ago




Today (when I told my friend) is 23rd March; I read the book on 22nd March, and my father gave it to me on 8th March.



Did I use the right tenses in the first (that yesterday I had read the book) and the second (which my father had given me two weeks ago) subordinate clauses? Are there any alternative versions in regard to the use of tenses in these subordinate clauses?










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  • Could you edit your question to include the timeline? If today is 23rd March, when did you read the book and when did your father give it to you? [I suspect that "yesterday I had read the book" is wrong; a positive timeline would help establish which tenses should be used.]

    – Andrew Leach
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    Today I told my friend that yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago.

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  • Yes, lets say that today is the 23rd of March, i read the book on the 22nd of March and my father gave it to me on the 8th of March. Why is yesterday i had read the book wrong? This clause is prior to the action of me telling my friend which is in the past too. So, why can't I use the past perfect in this sentence?

    – Alex Kar-kar
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  • Presumably the words you said to your friend were: Yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago. It is not ungrammatical to backshift read and gave to the past perfect when reporting what you said. But yesterday and two weeks ago are enough to establish the time frame, so backshift is unnecessary and I suspect most native speakers would say what @RegDwigнt suggests.

    – Shoe
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Today I told my friend that yesterday I had read the book which my father had given me two weeks ago




Today (when I told my friend) is 23rd March; I read the book on 22nd March, and my father gave it to me on 8th March.



Did I use the right tenses in the first (that yesterday I had read the book) and the second (which my father had given me two weeks ago) subordinate clauses? Are there any alternative versions in regard to the use of tenses in these subordinate clauses?










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  • Could you edit your question to include the timeline? If today is 23rd March, when did you read the book and when did your father give it to you? [I suspect that "yesterday I had read the book" is wrong; a positive timeline would help establish which tenses should be used.]

    – Andrew Leach
    yesterday






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    Today I told my friend that yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago.

    – ЯegDwight
    yesterday











  • Yes, lets say that today is the 23rd of March, i read the book on the 22nd of March and my father gave it to me on the 8th of March. Why is yesterday i had read the book wrong? This clause is prior to the action of me telling my friend which is in the past too. So, why can't I use the past perfect in this sentence?

    – Alex Kar-kar
    yesterday











  • Presumably the words you said to your friend were: Yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago. It is not ungrammatical to backshift read and gave to the past perfect when reporting what you said. But yesterday and two weeks ago are enough to establish the time frame, so backshift is unnecessary and I suspect most native speakers would say what @RegDwigнt suggests.

    – Shoe
    yesterday














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Today I told my friend that yesterday I had read the book which my father had given me two weeks ago




Today (when I told my friend) is 23rd March; I read the book on 22nd March, and my father gave it to me on 8th March.



Did I use the right tenses in the first (that yesterday I had read the book) and the second (which my father had given me two weeks ago) subordinate clauses? Are there any alternative versions in regard to the use of tenses in these subordinate clauses?










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Today I told my friend that yesterday I had read the book which my father had given me two weeks ago




Today (when I told my friend) is 23rd March; I read the book on 22nd March, and my father gave it to me on 8th March.



Did I use the right tenses in the first (that yesterday I had read the book) and the second (which my father had given me two weeks ago) subordinate clauses? Are there any alternative versions in regard to the use of tenses in these subordinate clauses?







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  • Could you edit your question to include the timeline? If today is 23rd March, when did you read the book and when did your father give it to you? [I suspect that "yesterday I had read the book" is wrong; a positive timeline would help establish which tenses should be used.]

    – Andrew Leach
    yesterday






  • 3





    Today I told my friend that yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago.

    – ЯegDwight
    yesterday











  • Yes, lets say that today is the 23rd of March, i read the book on the 22nd of March and my father gave it to me on the 8th of March. Why is yesterday i had read the book wrong? This clause is prior to the action of me telling my friend which is in the past too. So, why can't I use the past perfect in this sentence?

    – Alex Kar-kar
    yesterday











  • Presumably the words you said to your friend were: Yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago. It is not ungrammatical to backshift read and gave to the past perfect when reporting what you said. But yesterday and two weeks ago are enough to establish the time frame, so backshift is unnecessary and I suspect most native speakers would say what @RegDwigнt suggests.

    – Shoe
    yesterday



















  • Could you edit your question to include the timeline? If today is 23rd March, when did you read the book and when did your father give it to you? [I suspect that "yesterday I had read the book" is wrong; a positive timeline would help establish which tenses should be used.]

    – Andrew Leach
    yesterday






  • 3





    Today I told my friend that yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago.

    – ЯegDwight
    yesterday











  • Yes, lets say that today is the 23rd of March, i read the book on the 22nd of March and my father gave it to me on the 8th of March. Why is yesterday i had read the book wrong? This clause is prior to the action of me telling my friend which is in the past too. So, why can't I use the past perfect in this sentence?

    – Alex Kar-kar
    yesterday











  • Presumably the words you said to your friend were: Yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago. It is not ungrammatical to backshift read and gave to the past perfect when reporting what you said. But yesterday and two weeks ago are enough to establish the time frame, so backshift is unnecessary and I suspect most native speakers would say what @RegDwigнt suggests.

    – Shoe
    yesterday

















Could you edit your question to include the timeline? If today is 23rd March, when did you read the book and when did your father give it to you? [I suspect that "yesterday I had read the book" is wrong; a positive timeline would help establish which tenses should be used.]

– Andrew Leach
yesterday





Could you edit your question to include the timeline? If today is 23rd March, when did you read the book and when did your father give it to you? [I suspect that "yesterday I had read the book" is wrong; a positive timeline would help establish which tenses should be used.]

– Andrew Leach
yesterday




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Today I told my friend that yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago.

– ЯegDwight
yesterday





Today I told my friend that yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago.

– ЯegDwight
yesterday













Yes, lets say that today is the 23rd of March, i read the book on the 22nd of March and my father gave it to me on the 8th of March. Why is yesterday i had read the book wrong? This clause is prior to the action of me telling my friend which is in the past too. So, why can't I use the past perfect in this sentence?

– Alex Kar-kar
yesterday





Yes, lets say that today is the 23rd of March, i read the book on the 22nd of March and my father gave it to me on the 8th of March. Why is yesterday i had read the book wrong? This clause is prior to the action of me telling my friend which is in the past too. So, why can't I use the past perfect in this sentence?

– Alex Kar-kar
yesterday













Presumably the words you said to your friend were: Yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago. It is not ungrammatical to backshift read and gave to the past perfect when reporting what you said. But yesterday and two weeks ago are enough to establish the time frame, so backshift is unnecessary and I suspect most native speakers would say what @RegDwigнt suggests.

– Shoe
yesterday





Presumably the words you said to your friend were: Yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago. It is not ungrammatical to backshift read and gave to the past perfect when reporting what you said. But yesterday and two weeks ago are enough to establish the time frame, so backshift is unnecessary and I suspect most native speakers would say what @RegDwigнt suggests.

– Shoe
yesterday










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A common trouble with ESL students is using the past perfect to talk about something in the past when sequence of events in the past is not important. The past perfect is used to talk about order of events in the past based on a reference point in the past, and is most commonly used by police, detectives, lawyers, and others who need to know the order of past events. Is it wrong to use the past perfect as you did in your example? No, but it does cause some confusion, as a native speaker might wonder why events were being ordered when the logic of the statement didn't require that. For example, if someone asked you, "What did you do yesterday?" and you answered, "I had gone to work," grammatically-speaking it is not incorrect, but it is using the near present as a reference point which is not natural.



That said, in your example, you used two markers, "today," and "yesterday" which anchor the sentence in time. The sequence of events is then, 1) Today 2) Told my friend 3) Yesterday 4) Read the book 5) My father gave it to me before yesterday. Because you used the marker "yesterday" it is not necessary to say "had" because "yesterday" as a new reference only requires the simple past.



Often for questions about tenses, a better question to ask is "Does this make sense?" For example, the statement "Yesterday, I will die," is not grammatically incorrect, but logically it doesn't make sense.






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    Without the time reference "yesterday", a person seeing the first statement below would infer the reading happened sometime between March 8 and March 22 (the dates mentioned by the OP)





    1. Today I told my friend that I had read the book which my father had given me two weeks previously.


    2. Today I told my friend that yesterday I had read the book which my father had given me two weeks ago.





    Both are grammatically correct statements using reported speech.



    In the second version, the reading of the book occurred before "yesterday" and the speaker's father loaned or gifted the book prior to it being read.



    I see no compelling reason, other than of style, as to why the OP should change the Past Perfect tense to the Simple Past as suggested in the comments but, personally, I would prefer to keep the PP in the relative clause that begins with "which".






    • Me: “Yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago”
      Alice: “Was it any good?”


    [That same day]




    • Today I told my friend that yesterday I read the book which my father had given two weeks ago.







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    • As it is still two weeks since receiving the book, I don't think the past perfect is necessary. It is somewhat different if the whole exchange is shifted back a few weeks: Today I told my friend that on New Year's Eve I read the book my father had given me for Christmas. But even here I would probably use the simple past.

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    As an ESL learner, he or she often makes a sentence either truncated or redundant. I think an ESL should’t try to incorporate “wanted words” in a sentence. It hurts your brain and it never works that way. Here is what I can say



    “I told my friend I had read the book which I got from my father two weeks ago.”






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      A common trouble with ESL students is using the past perfect to talk about something in the past when sequence of events in the past is not important. The past perfect is used to talk about order of events in the past based on a reference point in the past, and is most commonly used by police, detectives, lawyers, and others who need to know the order of past events. Is it wrong to use the past perfect as you did in your example? No, but it does cause some confusion, as a native speaker might wonder why events were being ordered when the logic of the statement didn't require that. For example, if someone asked you, "What did you do yesterday?" and you answered, "I had gone to work," grammatically-speaking it is not incorrect, but it is using the near present as a reference point which is not natural.



      That said, in your example, you used two markers, "today," and "yesterday" which anchor the sentence in time. The sequence of events is then, 1) Today 2) Told my friend 3) Yesterday 4) Read the book 5) My father gave it to me before yesterday. Because you used the marker "yesterday" it is not necessary to say "had" because "yesterday" as a new reference only requires the simple past.



      Often for questions about tenses, a better question to ask is "Does this make sense?" For example, the statement "Yesterday, I will die," is not grammatically incorrect, but logically it doesn't make sense.






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        A common trouble with ESL students is using the past perfect to talk about something in the past when sequence of events in the past is not important. The past perfect is used to talk about order of events in the past based on a reference point in the past, and is most commonly used by police, detectives, lawyers, and others who need to know the order of past events. Is it wrong to use the past perfect as you did in your example? No, but it does cause some confusion, as a native speaker might wonder why events were being ordered when the logic of the statement didn't require that. For example, if someone asked you, "What did you do yesterday?" and you answered, "I had gone to work," grammatically-speaking it is not incorrect, but it is using the near present as a reference point which is not natural.



        That said, in your example, you used two markers, "today," and "yesterday" which anchor the sentence in time. The sequence of events is then, 1) Today 2) Told my friend 3) Yesterday 4) Read the book 5) My father gave it to me before yesterday. Because you used the marker "yesterday" it is not necessary to say "had" because "yesterday" as a new reference only requires the simple past.



        Often for questions about tenses, a better question to ask is "Does this make sense?" For example, the statement "Yesterday, I will die," is not grammatically incorrect, but logically it doesn't make sense.






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          A common trouble with ESL students is using the past perfect to talk about something in the past when sequence of events in the past is not important. The past perfect is used to talk about order of events in the past based on a reference point in the past, and is most commonly used by police, detectives, lawyers, and others who need to know the order of past events. Is it wrong to use the past perfect as you did in your example? No, but it does cause some confusion, as a native speaker might wonder why events were being ordered when the logic of the statement didn't require that. For example, if someone asked you, "What did you do yesterday?" and you answered, "I had gone to work," grammatically-speaking it is not incorrect, but it is using the near present as a reference point which is not natural.



          That said, in your example, you used two markers, "today," and "yesterday" which anchor the sentence in time. The sequence of events is then, 1) Today 2) Told my friend 3) Yesterday 4) Read the book 5) My father gave it to me before yesterday. Because you used the marker "yesterday" it is not necessary to say "had" because "yesterday" as a new reference only requires the simple past.



          Often for questions about tenses, a better question to ask is "Does this make sense?" For example, the statement "Yesterday, I will die," is not grammatically incorrect, but logically it doesn't make sense.






          share|improve this answer













          A common trouble with ESL students is using the past perfect to talk about something in the past when sequence of events in the past is not important. The past perfect is used to talk about order of events in the past based on a reference point in the past, and is most commonly used by police, detectives, lawyers, and others who need to know the order of past events. Is it wrong to use the past perfect as you did in your example? No, but it does cause some confusion, as a native speaker might wonder why events were being ordered when the logic of the statement didn't require that. For example, if someone asked you, "What did you do yesterday?" and you answered, "I had gone to work," grammatically-speaking it is not incorrect, but it is using the near present as a reference point which is not natural.



          That said, in your example, you used two markers, "today," and "yesterday" which anchor the sentence in time. The sequence of events is then, 1) Today 2) Told my friend 3) Yesterday 4) Read the book 5) My father gave it to me before yesterday. Because you used the marker "yesterday" it is not necessary to say "had" because "yesterday" as a new reference only requires the simple past.



          Often for questions about tenses, a better question to ask is "Does this make sense?" For example, the statement "Yesterday, I will die," is not grammatically incorrect, but logically it doesn't make sense.







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              Without the time reference "yesterday", a person seeing the first statement below would infer the reading happened sometime between March 8 and March 22 (the dates mentioned by the OP)





              1. Today I told my friend that I had read the book which my father had given me two weeks previously.


              2. Today I told my friend that yesterday I had read the book which my father had given me two weeks ago.





              Both are grammatically correct statements using reported speech.



              In the second version, the reading of the book occurred before "yesterday" and the speaker's father loaned or gifted the book prior to it being read.



              I see no compelling reason, other than of style, as to why the OP should change the Past Perfect tense to the Simple Past as suggested in the comments but, personally, I would prefer to keep the PP in the relative clause that begins with "which".






              • Me: “Yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago”
                Alice: “Was it any good?”


              [That same day]




              • Today I told my friend that yesterday I read the book which my father had given two weeks ago.







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              • As it is still two weeks since receiving the book, I don't think the past perfect is necessary. It is somewhat different if the whole exchange is shifted back a few weeks: Today I told my friend that on New Year's Eve I read the book my father had given me for Christmas. But even here I would probably use the simple past.

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              Without the time reference "yesterday", a person seeing the first statement below would infer the reading happened sometime between March 8 and March 22 (the dates mentioned by the OP)





              1. Today I told my friend that I had read the book which my father had given me two weeks previously.


              2. Today I told my friend that yesterday I had read the book which my father had given me two weeks ago.





              Both are grammatically correct statements using reported speech.



              In the second version, the reading of the book occurred before "yesterday" and the speaker's father loaned or gifted the book prior to it being read.



              I see no compelling reason, other than of style, as to why the OP should change the Past Perfect tense to the Simple Past as suggested in the comments but, personally, I would prefer to keep the PP in the relative clause that begins with "which".






              • Me: “Yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago”
                Alice: “Was it any good?”


              [That same day]




              • Today I told my friend that yesterday I read the book which my father had given two weeks ago.







              share|improve this answer


























              • As it is still two weeks since receiving the book, I don't think the past perfect is necessary. It is somewhat different if the whole exchange is shifted back a few weeks: Today I told my friend that on New Year's Eve I read the book my father had given me for Christmas. But even here I would probably use the simple past.

                – Shoe
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              Without the time reference "yesterday", a person seeing the first statement below would infer the reading happened sometime between March 8 and March 22 (the dates mentioned by the OP)





              1. Today I told my friend that I had read the book which my father had given me two weeks previously.


              2. Today I told my friend that yesterday I had read the book which my father had given me two weeks ago.





              Both are grammatically correct statements using reported speech.



              In the second version, the reading of the book occurred before "yesterday" and the speaker's father loaned or gifted the book prior to it being read.



              I see no compelling reason, other than of style, as to why the OP should change the Past Perfect tense to the Simple Past as suggested in the comments but, personally, I would prefer to keep the PP in the relative clause that begins with "which".






              • Me: “Yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago”
                Alice: “Was it any good?”


              [That same day]




              • Today I told my friend that yesterday I read the book which my father had given two weeks ago.







              share|improve this answer















              Without the time reference "yesterday", a person seeing the first statement below would infer the reading happened sometime between March 8 and March 22 (the dates mentioned by the OP)





              1. Today I told my friend that I had read the book which my father had given me two weeks previously.


              2. Today I told my friend that yesterday I had read the book which my father had given me two weeks ago.





              Both are grammatically correct statements using reported speech.



              In the second version, the reading of the book occurred before "yesterday" and the speaker's father loaned or gifted the book prior to it being read.



              I see no compelling reason, other than of style, as to why the OP should change the Past Perfect tense to the Simple Past as suggested in the comments but, personally, I would prefer to keep the PP in the relative clause that begins with "which".






              • Me: “Yesterday I read the book my father gave me two weeks ago”
                Alice: “Was it any good?”


              [That same day]




              • Today I told my friend that yesterday I read the book which my father had given two weeks ago.








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              • As it is still two weeks since receiving the book, I don't think the past perfect is necessary. It is somewhat different if the whole exchange is shifted back a few weeks: Today I told my friend that on New Year's Eve I read the book my father had given me for Christmas. But even here I would probably use the simple past.

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              • As it is still two weeks since receiving the book, I don't think the past perfect is necessary. It is somewhat different if the whole exchange is shifted back a few weeks: Today I told my friend that on New Year's Eve I read the book my father had given me for Christmas. But even here I would probably use the simple past.

                – Shoe
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              As it is still two weeks since receiving the book, I don't think the past perfect is necessary. It is somewhat different if the whole exchange is shifted back a few weeks: Today I told my friend that on New Year's Eve I read the book my father had given me for Christmas. But even here I would probably use the simple past.

              – Shoe
              17 hours ago





              As it is still two weeks since receiving the book, I don't think the past perfect is necessary. It is somewhat different if the whole exchange is shifted back a few weeks: Today I told my friend that on New Year's Eve I read the book my father had given me for Christmas. But even here I would probably use the simple past.

              – Shoe
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              As an ESL learner, he or she often makes a sentence either truncated or redundant. I think an ESL should’t try to incorporate “wanted words” in a sentence. It hurts your brain and it never works that way. Here is what I can say



              “I told my friend I had read the book which I got from my father two weeks ago.”






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                As an ESL learner, he or she often makes a sentence either truncated or redundant. I think an ESL should’t try to incorporate “wanted words” in a sentence. It hurts your brain and it never works that way. Here is what I can say



                “I told my friend I had read the book which I got from my father two weeks ago.”






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                  As an ESL learner, he or she often makes a sentence either truncated or redundant. I think an ESL should’t try to incorporate “wanted words” in a sentence. It hurts your brain and it never works that way. Here is what I can say



                  “I told my friend I had read the book which I got from my father two weeks ago.”






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                  As an ESL learner, he or she often makes a sentence either truncated or redundant. I think an ESL should’t try to incorporate “wanted words” in a sentence. It hurts your brain and it never works that way. Here is what I can say



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