Is it correct using “even” and “still” together?
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Is it correct using even & still in one statement?
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"even after a warning, he is still doing the same"
I think either is redundant, isn't it?
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Is it correct using even & still in one statement?
eg:
"even after a warning, he is still doing the same"
I think either is redundant, isn't it?
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It may be redundant. But, it is certainly common usage.
– David M
Feb 17 '14 at 18:11
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They are not being redundant with each other. Each word ("even" and "still") is doing its own thing where it is located at -- it has a purpose that it is fulfilling where the other word has no influence.
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Is it correct using even & still in one statement?
eg:
"even after a warning, he is still doing the same"
I think either is redundant, isn't it?
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Is it correct using even & still in one statement?
eg:
"even after a warning, he is still doing the same"
I think either is redundant, isn't it?
grammar
grammar
edited Feb 17 '14 at 18:23
David M
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asked Feb 17 '14 at 18:09
Ankit
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edited Feb 17 '14 at 18:23
David M
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asked Feb 17 '14 at 18:09
Ankit
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edited Feb 17 '14 at 18:23
David M
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edited Feb 17 '14 at 18:23
David M
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edited Feb 17 '14 at 18:23
David M
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asked Feb 17 '14 at 18:09
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It may be redundant. But, it is certainly common usage.
– David M
Feb 17 '14 at 18:11
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They are not being redundant with each other. Each word ("even" and "still") is doing its own thing where it is located at -- it has a purpose that it is fulfilling where the other word has no influence.
– F.E.
Feb 17 '14 at 19:48
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It may be redundant. But, it is certainly common usage.
– David M
Feb 17 '14 at 18:11
1
They are not being redundant with each other. Each word ("even" and "still") is doing its own thing where it is located at -- it has a purpose that it is fulfilling where the other word has no influence.
– F.E.
Feb 17 '14 at 19:48
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4
It may be redundant. But, it is certainly common usage.
– David M
Feb 17 '14 at 18:11
It may be redundant. But, it is certainly common usage.
– David M
Feb 17 '14 at 18:11
1
1
They are not being redundant with each other. Each word ("even" and "still") is doing its own thing where it is located at -- it has a purpose that it is fulfilling where the other word has no influence.
– F.E.
Feb 17 '14 at 19:48
They are not being redundant with each other. Each word ("even" and "still") is doing its own thing where it is located at -- it has a purpose that it is fulfilling where the other word has no influence.
– F.E.
Feb 17 '14 at 19:48
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Yes, it does sound slightly redundant. But, it is certainly common usage. And, definitely not incorrect.
I believe it adds emphasis.
Consider:
After a warning, he is still doing the same."
This guy got warned, and he is still doing it.
vs.
Even after a warning, he is still doing the same."
Despite being warned, he is still at it.
The meanings are extremely similar, but the second one adds a sense of exasperation to the statement. Perhaps exasperation is too strong of a word, but I cannot think of a better one. (I'm very open to suggestions for a better one!)
answered Feb 17 '14 at 18:30
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It is grammatically correct but I find it more refined to use continues instead of still.
For example,
Even after the warning, he is still cheating on the test.
vs.
Even after the warning, he continues to cheat on the test.
I find the second to be more appealing but it is all up to opinion.
answered Feb 18 '14 at 0:53
Zach Hoffman
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It's not quite all "up to opinion" but both expressions are possible. I think the second is better as "even after the warning, he continues to cheat on tests" (i.e. an action that keeps happening in different instances) vs. the former expressing that he does not heed the warning now.
– virmaior
Feb 24 '14 at 17:13
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What about the occurrence of them being used together? "Even still, he wanted her to know he cared." I highlighted it in a paper I'm workshopping—it sounded awkward.
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This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question. It should possibly be an edit, a comment, another question, or deleted altogether. (And no, ‘even still’ is perfectly commonplace and normal as well.)
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
14 hours ago
@JanusBahsJacquet I agree with the delete vote but not with the comment - to me, even still sounds awkward and uneducated, and I don't often see/hear it. Compare with the more standard even so - see Google Ngram.
– Chappo
9 hours ago
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@Chappo It’s definitely lower in register than even so, but still quite frequent in speech. I don’t find it awkward at all. I suspect it’s most common in AmE; at least that’s the ‘flavour’ it has in my head.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
9 hours ago
@JanusBahsJacquet interesting: the 'flavour' seems more English to me (in my head I can hear it as "even stiw"). But the Ngram shows no noticeable difference between AmE and BritE.
– Chappo
9 hours ago
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3 Answers
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I've posted it in comments and gotten enough up votes to post it as answer.
Yes, it does sound slightly redundant. But, it is certainly common usage. And, definitely not incorrect.
I believe it adds emphasis.
Consider:
After a warning, he is still doing the same."
This guy got warned, and he is still doing it.
vs.
Even after a warning, he is still doing the same."
Despite being warned, he is still at it.
The meanings are extremely similar, but the second one adds a sense of exasperation to the statement. Perhaps exasperation is too strong of a word, but I cannot think of a better one. (I'm very open to suggestions for a better one!)
answered Feb 17 '14 at 18:30
David M
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I've posted it in comments and gotten enough up votes to post it as answer.
Yes, it does sound slightly redundant. But, it is certainly common usage. And, definitely not incorrect.
I believe it adds emphasis.
Consider:
After a warning, he is still doing the same."
This guy got warned, and he is still doing it.
vs.
Even after a warning, he is still doing the same."
Despite being warned, he is still at it.
The meanings are extremely similar, but the second one adds a sense of exasperation to the statement. Perhaps exasperation is too strong of a word, but I cannot think of a better one. (I'm very open to suggestions for a better one!)
answered Feb 17 '14 at 18:30
David M
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up vote
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down vote
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up vote
5
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I've posted it in comments and gotten enough up votes to post it as answer.
Yes, it does sound slightly redundant. But, it is certainly common usage. And, definitely not incorrect.
I believe it adds emphasis.
Consider:
After a warning, he is still doing the same."
This guy got warned, and he is still doing it.
vs.
Even after a warning, he is still doing the same."
Despite being warned, he is still at it.
The meanings are extremely similar, but the second one adds a sense of exasperation to the statement. Perhaps exasperation is too strong of a word, but I cannot think of a better one. (I'm very open to suggestions for a better one!)
answered Feb 17 '14 at 18:30
David M
14.2k64895
I've posted it in comments and gotten enough up votes to post it as answer.
Yes, it does sound slightly redundant. But, it is certainly common usage. And, definitely not incorrect.
I believe it adds emphasis.
Consider:
After a warning, he is still doing the same."
This guy got warned, and he is still doing it.
vs.
Even after a warning, he is still doing the same."
Despite being warned, he is still at it.
The meanings are extremely similar, but the second one adds a sense of exasperation to the statement. Perhaps exasperation is too strong of a word, but I cannot think of a better one. (I'm very open to suggestions for a better one!)
answered Feb 17 '14 at 18:30
David M
14.2k64895
answered Feb 17 '14 at 18:30
David M
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answered Feb 17 '14 at 18:30
David M
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answered Feb 17 '14 at 18:30
David M
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It is grammatically correct but I find it more refined to use continues instead of still.
For example,
Even after the warning, he is still cheating on the test.
vs.
Even after the warning, he continues to cheat on the test.
I find the second to be more appealing but it is all up to opinion.
answered Feb 18 '14 at 0:53
Zach Hoffman
20915
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It's not quite all "up to opinion" but both expressions are possible. I think the second is better as "even after the warning, he continues to cheat on tests" (i.e. an action that keeps happening in different instances) vs. the former expressing that he does not heed the warning now.
– virmaior
Feb 24 '14 at 17:13
add a comment |
up vote
3
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It is grammatically correct but I find it more refined to use continues instead of still.
For example,
Even after the warning, he is still cheating on the test.
vs.
Even after the warning, he continues to cheat on the test.
I find the second to be more appealing but it is all up to opinion.
answered Feb 18 '14 at 0:53
Zach Hoffman
20915
1
It's not quite all "up to opinion" but both expressions are possible. I think the second is better as "even after the warning, he continues to cheat on tests" (i.e. an action that keeps happening in different instances) vs. the former expressing that he does not heed the warning now.
– virmaior
Feb 24 '14 at 17:13
add a comment |
up vote
3
down vote
up vote
3
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It is grammatically correct but I find it more refined to use continues instead of still.
For example,
Even after the warning, he is still cheating on the test.
vs.
Even after the warning, he continues to cheat on the test.
I find the second to be more appealing but it is all up to opinion.
answered Feb 18 '14 at 0:53
Zach Hoffman
20915
It is grammatically correct but I find it more refined to use continues instead of still.
For example,
Even after the warning, he is still cheating on the test.
vs.
Even after the warning, he continues to cheat on the test.
I find the second to be more appealing but it is all up to opinion.
answered Feb 18 '14 at 0:53
Zach Hoffman
20915
answered Feb 18 '14 at 0:53
Zach Hoffman
20915
answered Feb 18 '14 at 0:53
Zach Hoffman
20915
answered Feb 18 '14 at 0:53
Zach Hoffman
20915
20915
1
It's not quite all "up to opinion" but both expressions are possible. I think the second is better as "even after the warning, he continues to cheat on tests" (i.e. an action that keeps happening in different instances) vs. the former expressing that he does not heed the warning now.
– virmaior
Feb 24 '14 at 17:13
add a comment |
1
It's not quite all "up to opinion" but both expressions are possible. I think the second is better as "even after the warning, he continues to cheat on tests" (i.e. an action that keeps happening in different instances) vs. the former expressing that he does not heed the warning now.
– virmaior
Feb 24 '14 at 17:13
1
1
It's not quite all "up to opinion" but both expressions are possible. I think the second is better as "even after the warning, he continues to cheat on tests" (i.e. an action that keeps happening in different instances) vs. the former expressing that he does not heed the warning now.
– virmaior
Feb 24 '14 at 17:13
It's not quite all "up to opinion" but both expressions are possible. I think the second is better as "even after the warning, he continues to cheat on tests" (i.e. an action that keeps happening in different instances) vs. the former expressing that he does not heed the warning now.
– virmaior
Feb 24 '14 at 17:13
add a comment |
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What about the occurrence of them being used together? "Even still, he wanted her to know he cared." I highlighted it in a paper I'm workshopping—it sounded awkward.
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This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question. It should possibly be an edit, a comment, another question, or deleted altogether. (And no, ‘even still’ is perfectly commonplace and normal as well.)
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
14 hours ago
@JanusBahsJacquet I agree with the delete vote but not with the comment - to me, even still sounds awkward and uneducated, and I don't often see/hear it. Compare with the more standard even so - see Google Ngram.
– Chappo
9 hours ago
1
@Chappo It’s definitely lower in register than even so, but still quite frequent in speech. I don’t find it awkward at all. I suspect it’s most common in AmE; at least that’s the ‘flavour’ it has in my head.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
9 hours ago
@JanusBahsJacquet interesting: the 'flavour' seems more English to me (in my head I can hear it as "even stiw"). But the Ngram shows no noticeable difference between AmE and BritE.
– Chappo
9 hours ago
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
– David
9 hours ago
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What about the occurrence of them being used together? "Even still, he wanted her to know he cared." I highlighted it in a paper I'm workshopping—it sounded awkward.
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This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question. It should possibly be an edit, a comment, another question, or deleted altogether. (And no, ‘even still’ is perfectly commonplace and normal as well.)
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
14 hours ago
@JanusBahsJacquet I agree with the delete vote but not with the comment - to me, even still sounds awkward and uneducated, and I don't often see/hear it. Compare with the more standard even so - see Google Ngram.
– Chappo
9 hours ago
1
@Chappo It’s definitely lower in register than even so, but still quite frequent in speech. I don’t find it awkward at all. I suspect it’s most common in AmE; at least that’s the ‘flavour’ it has in my head.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
9 hours ago
@JanusBahsJacquet interesting: the 'flavour' seems more English to me (in my head I can hear it as "even stiw"). But the Ngram shows no noticeable difference between AmE and BritE.
– Chappo
9 hours ago
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
– David
9 hours ago
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What about the occurrence of them being used together? "Even still, he wanted her to know he cared." I highlighted it in a paper I'm workshopping—it sounded awkward.
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What about the occurrence of them being used together? "Even still, he wanted her to know he cared." I highlighted it in a paper I'm workshopping—it sounded awkward.
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This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question. It should possibly be an edit, a comment, another question, or deleted altogether. (And no, ‘even still’ is perfectly commonplace and normal as well.)
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
14 hours ago
@JanusBahsJacquet I agree with the delete vote but not with the comment - to me, even still sounds awkward and uneducated, and I don't often see/hear it. Compare with the more standard even so - see Google Ngram.
– Chappo
9 hours ago
1
@Chappo It’s definitely lower in register than even so, but still quite frequent in speech. I don’t find it awkward at all. I suspect it’s most common in AmE; at least that’s the ‘flavour’ it has in my head.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
9 hours ago
@JanusBahsJacquet interesting: the 'flavour' seems more English to me (in my head I can hear it as "even stiw"). But the Ngram shows no noticeable difference between AmE and BritE.
– Chappo
9 hours ago
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
– David
9 hours ago
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This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question. It should possibly be an edit, a comment, another question, or deleted altogether. (And no, ‘even still’ is perfectly commonplace and normal as well.)
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
14 hours ago
@JanusBahsJacquet I agree with the delete vote but not with the comment - to me, even still sounds awkward and uneducated, and I don't often see/hear it. Compare with the more standard even so - see Google Ngram.
– Chappo
9 hours ago
1
@Chappo It’s definitely lower in register than even so, but still quite frequent in speech. I don’t find it awkward at all. I suspect it’s most common in AmE; at least that’s the ‘flavour’ it has in my head.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
9 hours ago
@JanusBahsJacquet interesting: the 'flavour' seems more English to me (in my head I can hear it as "even stiw"). But the Ngram shows no noticeable difference between AmE and BritE.
– Chappo
9 hours ago
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
– David
9 hours ago
This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question. It should possibly be an edit, a comment, another question, or deleted altogether. (And no, ‘even still’ is perfectly commonplace and normal as well.)
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
14 hours ago
This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question. It should possibly be an edit, a comment, another question, or deleted altogether. (And no, ‘even still’ is perfectly commonplace and normal as well.)
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
14 hours ago
@JanusBahsJacquet I agree with the delete vote but not with the comment - to me, even still sounds awkward and uneducated, and I don't often see/hear it. Compare with the more standard even so - see Google Ngram.
– Chappo
9 hours ago
@JanusBahsJacquet I agree with the delete vote but not with the comment - to me, even still sounds awkward and uneducated, and I don't often see/hear it. Compare with the more standard even so - see Google Ngram.
– Chappo
9 hours ago
1
1
@Chappo It’s definitely lower in register than even so, but still quite frequent in speech. I don’t find it awkward at all. I suspect it’s most common in AmE; at least that’s the ‘flavour’ it has in my head.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
9 hours ago
@Chappo It’s definitely lower in register than even so, but still quite frequent in speech. I don’t find it awkward at all. I suspect it’s most common in AmE; at least that’s the ‘flavour’ it has in my head.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
9 hours ago
@JanusBahsJacquet interesting: the 'flavour' seems more English to me (in my head I can hear it as "even stiw"). But the Ngram shows no noticeable difference between AmE and BritE.
– Chappo
9 hours ago
@JanusBahsJacquet interesting: the 'flavour' seems more English to me (in my head I can hear it as "even stiw"). But the Ngram shows no noticeable difference between AmE and BritE.
– Chappo
9 hours ago
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
– David
9 hours ago
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
– David
9 hours ago
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It may be redundant. But, it is certainly common usage.
– David M
Feb 17 '14 at 18:11
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They are not being redundant with each other. Each word ("even" and "still") is doing its own thing where it is located at -- it has a purpose that it is fulfilling where the other word has no influence.
– F.E.
Feb 17 '14 at 19:48