Is it OK to have a light that can only be controlled via automation?
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
I am retrofitting the main light in a room to be controlled by a home automation system, in this case, I'm using z-wave.
I would like to have all switches that control the light do so using z-wave, and the actual dimmer circuit won't have a physical switch (it will be buried in the light fixture).
In other words, I will have no switches in the wall that actually break the connection or dim the light.
Is this ok from a code perspective? Does NEC have some kind of rule that I must have a switch in the room that physically controls the light?
lighting home-automation nec
New contributor
Jim B. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
I am retrofitting the main light in a room to be controlled by a home automation system, in this case, I'm using z-wave.
I would like to have all switches that control the light do so using z-wave, and the actual dimmer circuit won't have a physical switch (it will be buried in the light fixture).
In other words, I will have no switches in the wall that actually break the connection or dim the light.
Is this ok from a code perspective? Does NEC have some kind of rule that I must have a switch in the room that physically controls the light?
lighting home-automation nec
New contributor
Jim B. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
Can you fit wallbox remotes/control panels at the expected lighting control locations?
– ThreePhaseEel
1 hour ago
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
I am retrofitting the main light in a room to be controlled by a home automation system, in this case, I'm using z-wave.
I would like to have all switches that control the light do so using z-wave, and the actual dimmer circuit won't have a physical switch (it will be buried in the light fixture).
In other words, I will have no switches in the wall that actually break the connection or dim the light.
Is this ok from a code perspective? Does NEC have some kind of rule that I must have a switch in the room that physically controls the light?
lighting home-automation nec
New contributor
Jim B. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
I am retrofitting the main light in a room to be controlled by a home automation system, in this case, I'm using z-wave.
I would like to have all switches that control the light do so using z-wave, and the actual dimmer circuit won't have a physical switch (it will be buried in the light fixture).
In other words, I will have no switches in the wall that actually break the connection or dim the light.
Is this ok from a code perspective? Does NEC have some kind of rule that I must have a switch in the room that physically controls the light?
lighting home-automation nec
lighting home-automation nec
New contributor
Jim B. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
Jim B. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
Jim B. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
asked 4 hours ago
Jim B.
1112
1112
New contributor
Jim B. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
Jim B. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
Jim B. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
Can you fit wallbox remotes/control panels at the expected lighting control locations?
– ThreePhaseEel
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Can you fit wallbox remotes/control panels at the expected lighting control locations?
– ThreePhaseEel
1 hour ago
Can you fit wallbox remotes/control panels at the expected lighting control locations?
– ThreePhaseEel
1 hour ago
Can you fit wallbox remotes/control panels at the expected lighting control locations?
– ThreePhaseEel
1 hour ago
add a comment |
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
up vote
3
down vote
The NEC requirement is that it be possible to turn on a light in a room, via a switch that is in a reasonably expected location.
If you need your phone to turn the light on, that's a no go.
NEC is not particular about whether the lamp is a permanently installed light, or a plug-in floor lamp. The floor lamp is allowed to have a switch on itself, which if turned off, defeats the room switch.
NEC is also not particular about the technology used, as long as it's listed. It just needs to work.
However, they may be other building codes which come to bear. There is also your local jurisdiction's interpretation, their local rules, and the ultimate nuke: the ability of the jurisdiction to revoke a home's occupancy permit if the arragement proves to be problematic.
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
This isn't as novel as you think
Many commercial buildings use a similar setup, with low-voltage wired controls at the switch locations on the wall talking to a central dimmer panel that handles the actual dimming duty for a set of lighting circuits, instead of using individual wallbox-mounted line-voltage controls. So, as long as the Z-wave remotes you plan to wall-mount are reliably powered (so they won't quit working unexpectedly due to a dead battery, for instance) and can provide the expected degree of lighting control, I think this will be fine.
Although not directly controlled won't the op need a "override" switch located in the room? It could talk to the z wave, I know I have to have over rides in commercial facilities, and thought the switched outlet or light was required in residential.
– Ed Beal
35 mins ago
add a comment |
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
3
down vote
The NEC requirement is that it be possible to turn on a light in a room, via a switch that is in a reasonably expected location.
If you need your phone to turn the light on, that's a no go.
NEC is not particular about whether the lamp is a permanently installed light, or a plug-in floor lamp. The floor lamp is allowed to have a switch on itself, which if turned off, defeats the room switch.
NEC is also not particular about the technology used, as long as it's listed. It just needs to work.
However, they may be other building codes which come to bear. There is also your local jurisdiction's interpretation, their local rules, and the ultimate nuke: the ability of the jurisdiction to revoke a home's occupancy permit if the arragement proves to be problematic.
add a comment |
up vote
3
down vote
The NEC requirement is that it be possible to turn on a light in a room, via a switch that is in a reasonably expected location.
If you need your phone to turn the light on, that's a no go.
NEC is not particular about whether the lamp is a permanently installed light, or a plug-in floor lamp. The floor lamp is allowed to have a switch on itself, which if turned off, defeats the room switch.
NEC is also not particular about the technology used, as long as it's listed. It just needs to work.
However, they may be other building codes which come to bear. There is also your local jurisdiction's interpretation, their local rules, and the ultimate nuke: the ability of the jurisdiction to revoke a home's occupancy permit if the arragement proves to be problematic.
add a comment |
up vote
3
down vote
up vote
3
down vote
The NEC requirement is that it be possible to turn on a light in a room, via a switch that is in a reasonably expected location.
If you need your phone to turn the light on, that's a no go.
NEC is not particular about whether the lamp is a permanently installed light, or a plug-in floor lamp. The floor lamp is allowed to have a switch on itself, which if turned off, defeats the room switch.
NEC is also not particular about the technology used, as long as it's listed. It just needs to work.
However, they may be other building codes which come to bear. There is also your local jurisdiction's interpretation, their local rules, and the ultimate nuke: the ability of the jurisdiction to revoke a home's occupancy permit if the arragement proves to be problematic.
The NEC requirement is that it be possible to turn on a light in a room, via a switch that is in a reasonably expected location.
If you need your phone to turn the light on, that's a no go.
NEC is not particular about whether the lamp is a permanently installed light, or a plug-in floor lamp. The floor lamp is allowed to have a switch on itself, which if turned off, defeats the room switch.
NEC is also not particular about the technology used, as long as it's listed. It just needs to work.
However, they may be other building codes which come to bear. There is also your local jurisdiction's interpretation, their local rules, and the ultimate nuke: the ability of the jurisdiction to revoke a home's occupancy permit if the arragement proves to be problematic.
edited 5 mins ago
answered 3 hours ago
Harper
63.3k341128
63.3k341128
add a comment |
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
This isn't as novel as you think
Many commercial buildings use a similar setup, with low-voltage wired controls at the switch locations on the wall talking to a central dimmer panel that handles the actual dimming duty for a set of lighting circuits, instead of using individual wallbox-mounted line-voltage controls. So, as long as the Z-wave remotes you plan to wall-mount are reliably powered (so they won't quit working unexpectedly due to a dead battery, for instance) and can provide the expected degree of lighting control, I think this will be fine.
Although not directly controlled won't the op need a "override" switch located in the room? It could talk to the z wave, I know I have to have over rides in commercial facilities, and thought the switched outlet or light was required in residential.
– Ed Beal
35 mins ago
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
This isn't as novel as you think
Many commercial buildings use a similar setup, with low-voltage wired controls at the switch locations on the wall talking to a central dimmer panel that handles the actual dimming duty for a set of lighting circuits, instead of using individual wallbox-mounted line-voltage controls. So, as long as the Z-wave remotes you plan to wall-mount are reliably powered (so they won't quit working unexpectedly due to a dead battery, for instance) and can provide the expected degree of lighting control, I think this will be fine.
Although not directly controlled won't the op need a "override" switch located in the room? It could talk to the z wave, I know I have to have over rides in commercial facilities, and thought the switched outlet or light was required in residential.
– Ed Beal
35 mins ago
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
This isn't as novel as you think
Many commercial buildings use a similar setup, with low-voltage wired controls at the switch locations on the wall talking to a central dimmer panel that handles the actual dimming duty for a set of lighting circuits, instead of using individual wallbox-mounted line-voltage controls. So, as long as the Z-wave remotes you plan to wall-mount are reliably powered (so they won't quit working unexpectedly due to a dead battery, for instance) and can provide the expected degree of lighting control, I think this will be fine.
This isn't as novel as you think
Many commercial buildings use a similar setup, with low-voltage wired controls at the switch locations on the wall talking to a central dimmer panel that handles the actual dimming duty for a set of lighting circuits, instead of using individual wallbox-mounted line-voltage controls. So, as long as the Z-wave remotes you plan to wall-mount are reliably powered (so they won't quit working unexpectedly due to a dead battery, for instance) and can provide the expected degree of lighting control, I think this will be fine.
answered 1 hour ago
ThreePhaseEel
29.4k104490
29.4k104490
Although not directly controlled won't the op need a "override" switch located in the room? It could talk to the z wave, I know I have to have over rides in commercial facilities, and thought the switched outlet or light was required in residential.
– Ed Beal
35 mins ago
add a comment |
Although not directly controlled won't the op need a "override" switch located in the room? It could talk to the z wave, I know I have to have over rides in commercial facilities, and thought the switched outlet or light was required in residential.
– Ed Beal
35 mins ago
Although not directly controlled won't the op need a "override" switch located in the room? It could talk to the z wave, I know I have to have over rides in commercial facilities, and thought the switched outlet or light was required in residential.
– Ed Beal
35 mins ago
Although not directly controlled won't the op need a "override" switch located in the room? It could talk to the z wave, I know I have to have over rides in commercial facilities, and thought the switched outlet or light was required in residential.
– Ed Beal
35 mins ago
add a comment |
Jim B. is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Jim B. is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Jim B. is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Jim B. is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Thanks for contributing an answer to Home Improvement Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Some of your past answers have not been well-received, and you're in danger of being blocked from answering.
Please pay close attention to the following guidance:
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fdiy.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f152420%2fis-it-ok-to-have-a-light-that-can-only-be-controlled-via-automation%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Can you fit wallbox remotes/control panels at the expected lighting control locations?
– ThreePhaseEel
1 hour ago