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In the problem I am not able to derive difference term. I know for solving summation we have to make difference term.
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$$frac{{displaystyle sum_{n=1}^{99}} sqrt{10+sqrt{n}}}{{displaystyle sum_{n=1}^{99}} sqrt{10-sqrt{n}}}$$










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  • You can replace 10 (N) by 2, and 99 (N^2-1) by 3. The result is $sqrt{2}+1$ for both. Examine the simpler case first, maybe.
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$$frac{{displaystyle sum_{n=1}^{99}} sqrt{10+sqrt{n}}}{{displaystyle sum_{n=1}^{99}} sqrt{10-sqrt{n}}}$$










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$$frac{{displaystyle sum_{n=1}^{99}} sqrt{10+sqrt{n}}}{{displaystyle sum_{n=1}^{99}} sqrt{10-sqrt{n}}}$$










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$$frac{{displaystyle sum_{n=1}^{99}} sqrt{10+sqrt{n}}}{{displaystyle sum_{n=1}^{99}} sqrt{10-sqrt{n}}}$$







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  • You can replace 10 (N) by 2, and 99 (N^2-1) by 3. The result is $sqrt{2}+1$ for both. Examine the simpler case first, maybe.
    – David Peterson
    20 hours ago




















  • You can replace 10 (N) by 2, and 99 (N^2-1) by 3. The result is $sqrt{2}+1$ for both. Examine the simpler case first, maybe.
    – David Peterson
    20 hours ago


















You can replace 10 (N) by 2, and 99 (N^2-1) by 3. The result is $sqrt{2}+1$ for both. Examine the simpler case first, maybe.
– David Peterson
20 hours ago






You can replace 10 (N) by 2, and 99 (N^2-1) by 3. The result is $sqrt{2}+1$ for both. Examine the simpler case first, maybe.
– David Peterson
20 hours ago












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This can be done using an identity I learned from math.SE.




For any $a > 0$ and $0 le b le a^2$, we have
$$sqrt{a+sqrt{b}}+sqrt{a-sqrt{b}} = sqrt{2}sqrt{a + sqrt{a^2-b}}$$




To prove this identity, just take squares on both sides and use the fact



$$begin{align}
left(sqrt{a+sqrt{b}}+sqrt{a-sqrt{b}}right)^2 &= left(a + sqrt{b}right) + left(a - sqrt{b}right) + 2sqrt{a^2-b}\
&= 2left(a + sqrt{a^2-b}right)end{align}$$



Let $a$ be any integer $> 1$ and $c = a^2-b$. When we sum $b$ from $1$ to $a^2-1$, above identity tell us



$$sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1} sqrt{a + sqrt{b}} + sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a - sqrt{b}}
= sqrt{2}sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a + sqrt{a^2-b}}
= sqrt{2}sum_{c=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a + sqrt{c}}$$

This leads to
$$frac{sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a+sqrt{b}}}{sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a-sqrt{b}}}
= frac{1}{sqrt{2}-1} = sqrt{2}+1
$$

Substitute $a$ by $10$, this reduces to the ratio at hand. i.e. The ratio we seek equals to $sqrt{2}+1$.






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    This can be done using an identity I learned from math.SE.




    For any $a > 0$ and $0 le b le a^2$, we have
    $$sqrt{a+sqrt{b}}+sqrt{a-sqrt{b}} = sqrt{2}sqrt{a + sqrt{a^2-b}}$$




    To prove this identity, just take squares on both sides and use the fact



    $$begin{align}
    left(sqrt{a+sqrt{b}}+sqrt{a-sqrt{b}}right)^2 &= left(a + sqrt{b}right) + left(a - sqrt{b}right) + 2sqrt{a^2-b}\
    &= 2left(a + sqrt{a^2-b}right)end{align}$$



    Let $a$ be any integer $> 1$ and $c = a^2-b$. When we sum $b$ from $1$ to $a^2-1$, above identity tell us



    $$sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1} sqrt{a + sqrt{b}} + sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a - sqrt{b}}
    = sqrt{2}sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a + sqrt{a^2-b}}
    = sqrt{2}sum_{c=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a + sqrt{c}}$$

    This leads to
    $$frac{sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a+sqrt{b}}}{sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a-sqrt{b}}}
    = frac{1}{sqrt{2}-1} = sqrt{2}+1
    $$

    Substitute $a$ by $10$, this reduces to the ratio at hand. i.e. The ratio we seek equals to $sqrt{2}+1$.






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      This can be done using an identity I learned from math.SE.




      For any $a > 0$ and $0 le b le a^2$, we have
      $$sqrt{a+sqrt{b}}+sqrt{a-sqrt{b}} = sqrt{2}sqrt{a + sqrt{a^2-b}}$$




      To prove this identity, just take squares on both sides and use the fact



      $$begin{align}
      left(sqrt{a+sqrt{b}}+sqrt{a-sqrt{b}}right)^2 &= left(a + sqrt{b}right) + left(a - sqrt{b}right) + 2sqrt{a^2-b}\
      &= 2left(a + sqrt{a^2-b}right)end{align}$$



      Let $a$ be any integer $> 1$ and $c = a^2-b$. When we sum $b$ from $1$ to $a^2-1$, above identity tell us



      $$sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1} sqrt{a + sqrt{b}} + sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a - sqrt{b}}
      = sqrt{2}sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a + sqrt{a^2-b}}
      = sqrt{2}sum_{c=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a + sqrt{c}}$$

      This leads to
      $$frac{sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a+sqrt{b}}}{sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a-sqrt{b}}}
      = frac{1}{sqrt{2}-1} = sqrt{2}+1
      $$

      Substitute $a$ by $10$, this reduces to the ratio at hand. i.e. The ratio we seek equals to $sqrt{2}+1$.






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        This can be done using an identity I learned from math.SE.




        For any $a > 0$ and $0 le b le a^2$, we have
        $$sqrt{a+sqrt{b}}+sqrt{a-sqrt{b}} = sqrt{2}sqrt{a + sqrt{a^2-b}}$$




        To prove this identity, just take squares on both sides and use the fact



        $$begin{align}
        left(sqrt{a+sqrt{b}}+sqrt{a-sqrt{b}}right)^2 &= left(a + sqrt{b}right) + left(a - sqrt{b}right) + 2sqrt{a^2-b}\
        &= 2left(a + sqrt{a^2-b}right)end{align}$$



        Let $a$ be any integer $> 1$ and $c = a^2-b$. When we sum $b$ from $1$ to $a^2-1$, above identity tell us



        $$sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1} sqrt{a + sqrt{b}} + sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a - sqrt{b}}
        = sqrt{2}sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a + sqrt{a^2-b}}
        = sqrt{2}sum_{c=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a + sqrt{c}}$$

        This leads to
        $$frac{sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a+sqrt{b}}}{sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a-sqrt{b}}}
        = frac{1}{sqrt{2}-1} = sqrt{2}+1
        $$

        Substitute $a$ by $10$, this reduces to the ratio at hand. i.e. The ratio we seek equals to $sqrt{2}+1$.






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        This can be done using an identity I learned from math.SE.




        For any $a > 0$ and $0 le b le a^2$, we have
        $$sqrt{a+sqrt{b}}+sqrt{a-sqrt{b}} = sqrt{2}sqrt{a + sqrt{a^2-b}}$$




        To prove this identity, just take squares on both sides and use the fact



        $$begin{align}
        left(sqrt{a+sqrt{b}}+sqrt{a-sqrt{b}}right)^2 &= left(a + sqrt{b}right) + left(a - sqrt{b}right) + 2sqrt{a^2-b}\
        &= 2left(a + sqrt{a^2-b}right)end{align}$$



        Let $a$ be any integer $> 1$ and $c = a^2-b$. When we sum $b$ from $1$ to $a^2-1$, above identity tell us



        $$sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1} sqrt{a + sqrt{b}} + sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a - sqrt{b}}
        = sqrt{2}sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a + sqrt{a^2-b}}
        = sqrt{2}sum_{c=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a + sqrt{c}}$$

        This leads to
        $$frac{sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a+sqrt{b}}}{sum_{b=1}^{a^2-1}sqrt{a-sqrt{b}}}
        = frac{1}{sqrt{2}-1} = sqrt{2}+1
        $$

        Substitute $a$ by $10$, this reduces to the ratio at hand. i.e. The ratio we seek equals to $sqrt{2}+1$.







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