What is the amount of time a suspected woman needs to be secluded to be considered a Sotah?












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The Gemara lists a series of opinions (9 by my count) in Sotah 4a as to how long the amount of secluded time must be for a forewarned woman to be considered a potential Sotah.



Do we know which Tanna we pasken like and practically speaking, what amount of time this would be considered nowadays?






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    A starting point might be Even Ha'ezer 178:4 (courtesy of Eyn Mishpat)

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The Gemara lists a series of opinions (9 by my count) in Sotah 4a as to how long the amount of secluded time must be for a forewarned woman to be considered a potential Sotah.



Do we know which Tanna we pasken like and practically speaking, what amount of time this would be considered nowadays?






halacha talmud-gemara sotah-secluded-woman yichud-seclusion tractate-sotah







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    A starting point might be Even Ha'ezer 178:4 (courtesy of Eyn Mishpat)

    – b a
    6 hours ago














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The Gemara lists a series of opinions (9 by my count) in Sotah 4a as to how long the amount of secluded time must be for a forewarned woman to be considered a potential Sotah.



Do we know which Tanna we pasken like and practically speaking, what amount of time this would be considered nowadays?






halacha talmud-gemara sotah-secluded-woman yichud-seclusion tractate-sotah







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The Gemara lists a series of opinions (9 by my count) in Sotah 4a as to how long the amount of secluded time must be for a forewarned woman to be considered a potential Sotah.



Do we know which Tanna we pasken like and practically speaking, what amount of time this would be considered nowadays?






halacha talmud-gemara sotah-secluded-woman yichud-seclusion tractate-sotah




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    A starting point might be Even Ha'ezer 178:4 (courtesy of Eyn Mishpat)

    – b a
    6 hours ago














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    A starting point might be Even Ha'ezer 178:4 (courtesy of Eyn Mishpat)

    – b a
    6 hours ago








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A starting point might be Even Ha'ezer 178:4 (courtesy of Eyn Mishpat)

– b a
6 hours ago





A starting point might be Even Ha'ezer 178:4 (courtesy of Eyn Mishpat)

– b a
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Rambam Hilchos Sotah 1,2 Paskens like Rabbi Akiva the time for seclusion is to fry an egg and swallow it.




שהתה עמו כדי טומאה שהוא כדי לצלות ביצה ולגמעה הרי זו אסורה על בעלה עד שתשתה מי המרים ויבדק הדבר




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ומה שכתב שהוא כדי לצלות ביצה ולגמעה. ברייתא שם (דף ד') פלוגתא ופסק כר"ע:




The Minchas Yitchak 4,94 says this time of seclusion is 5 minutes,

Though the Dvar Halacha teshuva 11 says that this time is merely 35 seconds






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    Minchas yitzchak only says that to be machmir and be yotzei midei safek. even according to him, it should be longer. And I don't know who the devar halacha is but there is no way that you can roast an egg and swallow it in 35 seconds.

    – רבות מחשבות
    4 hours ago






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    @רבותמחשבות do you mean 5 minutes is Machmir to make sure the Chosson satys with the Kalla in the Yichud room?

    – user15464
    4 hours ago











  • I mean I read the teshuvah and he says that this shitah would be hard to approximate, and the 5 minutes would be yotzei midei safek (it sounds like for a case of sotah, not yichud, and 5 minutes would be the minimum shiur)

    – רבות מחשבות
    4 hours ago








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    note that many poskim understand the shiur of yichud in general to be longer than the shiur of yichud by a sotah, see R' Moshe's teshuvah.

    – רבות מחשבות
    4 hours ago











  • @רבותמחשבות also remember tosfos who says taking of the clothes is not included in the time, i assume 35 seconds is probably when they are at such a stage

    – user15464
    4 hours ago





















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Rambam Hilchos Sotah 1,2 Paskens like Rabbi Akiva the time for seclusion is to fry an egg and swallow it.




שהתה עמו כדי טומאה שהוא כדי לצלות ביצה ולגמעה הרי זו אסורה על בעלה עד שתשתה מי המרים ויבדק הדבר




Kesef Mishna




ומה שכתב שהוא כדי לצלות ביצה ולגמעה. ברייתא שם (דף ד') פלוגתא ופסק כר"ע:




The Minchas Yitchak 4,94 says this time of seclusion is 5 minutes,

Though the Dvar Halacha teshuva 11 says that this time is merely 35 seconds






share|improve this answer





















  • 1





    Minchas yitzchak only says that to be machmir and be yotzei midei safek. even according to him, it should be longer. And I don't know who the devar halacha is but there is no way that you can roast an egg and swallow it in 35 seconds.

    – רבות מחשבות
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    @רבותמחשבות do you mean 5 minutes is Machmir to make sure the Chosson satys with the Kalla in the Yichud room?

    – user15464
    4 hours ago











  • I mean I read the teshuvah and he says that this shitah would be hard to approximate, and the 5 minutes would be yotzei midei safek (it sounds like for a case of sotah, not yichud, and 5 minutes would be the minimum shiur)

    – רבות מחשבות
    4 hours ago








  • 1





    note that many poskim understand the shiur of yichud in general to be longer than the shiur of yichud by a sotah, see R' Moshe's teshuvah.

    – רבות מחשבות
    4 hours ago











  • @רבותמחשבות also remember tosfos who says taking of the clothes is not included in the time, i assume 35 seconds is probably when they are at such a stage

    – user15464
    4 hours ago


















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Rambam Hilchos Sotah 1,2 Paskens like Rabbi Akiva the time for seclusion is to fry an egg and swallow it.




שהתה עמו כדי טומאה שהוא כדי לצלות ביצה ולגמעה הרי זו אסורה על בעלה עד שתשתה מי המרים ויבדק הדבר




Kesef Mishna




ומה שכתב שהוא כדי לצלות ביצה ולגמעה. ברייתא שם (דף ד') פלוגתא ופסק כר"ע:




The Minchas Yitchak 4,94 says this time of seclusion is 5 minutes,

Though the Dvar Halacha teshuva 11 says that this time is merely 35 seconds






share|improve this answer





















  • 1





    Minchas yitzchak only says that to be machmir and be yotzei midei safek. even according to him, it should be longer. And I don't know who the devar halacha is but there is no way that you can roast an egg and swallow it in 35 seconds.

    – רבות מחשבות
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    @רבותמחשבות do you mean 5 minutes is Machmir to make sure the Chosson satys with the Kalla in the Yichud room?

    – user15464
    4 hours ago











  • I mean I read the teshuvah and he says that this shitah would be hard to approximate, and the 5 minutes would be yotzei midei safek (it sounds like for a case of sotah, not yichud, and 5 minutes would be the minimum shiur)

    – רבות מחשבות
    4 hours ago








  • 1





    note that many poskim understand the shiur of yichud in general to be longer than the shiur of yichud by a sotah, see R' Moshe's teshuvah.

    – רבות מחשבות
    4 hours ago











  • @רבותמחשבות also remember tosfos who says taking of the clothes is not included in the time, i assume 35 seconds is probably when they are at such a stage

    – user15464
    4 hours ago
















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Rambam Hilchos Sotah 1,2 Paskens like Rabbi Akiva the time for seclusion is to fry an egg and swallow it.




שהתה עמו כדי טומאה שהוא כדי לצלות ביצה ולגמעה הרי זו אסורה על בעלה עד שתשתה מי המרים ויבדק הדבר




Kesef Mishna




ומה שכתב שהוא כדי לצלות ביצה ולגמעה. ברייתא שם (דף ד') פלוגתא ופסק כר"ע:




The Minchas Yitchak 4,94 says this time of seclusion is 5 minutes,

Though the Dvar Halacha teshuva 11 says that this time is merely 35 seconds






share|improve this answer















Rambam Hilchos Sotah 1,2 Paskens like Rabbi Akiva the time for seclusion is to fry an egg and swallow it.




שהתה עמו כדי טומאה שהוא כדי לצלות ביצה ולגמעה הרי זו אסורה על בעלה עד שתשתה מי המרים ויבדק הדבר




Kesef Mishna




ומה שכתב שהוא כדי לצלות ביצה ולגמעה. ברייתא שם (דף ד') פלוגתא ופסק כר"ע:




The Minchas Yitchak 4,94 says this time of seclusion is 5 minutes,

Though the Dvar Halacha teshuva 11 says that this time is merely 35 seconds







share|improve this answer














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edited 4 hours ago

























answered 6 hours ago









user15464user15464

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4,614957








  • 1





    Minchas yitzchak only says that to be machmir and be yotzei midei safek. even according to him, it should be longer. And I don't know who the devar halacha is but there is no way that you can roast an egg and swallow it in 35 seconds.

    – רבות מחשבות
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    @רבותמחשבות do you mean 5 minutes is Machmir to make sure the Chosson satys with the Kalla in the Yichud room?

    – user15464
    4 hours ago











  • I mean I read the teshuvah and he says that this shitah would be hard to approximate, and the 5 minutes would be yotzei midei safek (it sounds like for a case of sotah, not yichud, and 5 minutes would be the minimum shiur)

    – רבות מחשבות
    4 hours ago








  • 1





    note that many poskim understand the shiur of yichud in general to be longer than the shiur of yichud by a sotah, see R' Moshe's teshuvah.

    – רבות מחשבות
    4 hours ago











  • @רבותמחשבות also remember tosfos who says taking of the clothes is not included in the time, i assume 35 seconds is probably when they are at such a stage

    – user15464
    4 hours ago
















  • 1





    Minchas yitzchak only says that to be machmir and be yotzei midei safek. even according to him, it should be longer. And I don't know who the devar halacha is but there is no way that you can roast an egg and swallow it in 35 seconds.

    – רבות מחשבות
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    @רבותמחשבות do you mean 5 minutes is Machmir to make sure the Chosson satys with the Kalla in the Yichud room?

    – user15464
    4 hours ago











  • I mean I read the teshuvah and he says that this shitah would be hard to approximate, and the 5 minutes would be yotzei midei safek (it sounds like for a case of sotah, not yichud, and 5 minutes would be the minimum shiur)

    – רבות מחשבות
    4 hours ago








  • 1





    note that many poskim understand the shiur of yichud in general to be longer than the shiur of yichud by a sotah, see R' Moshe's teshuvah.

    – רבות מחשבות
    4 hours ago











  • @רבותמחשבות also remember tosfos who says taking of the clothes is not included in the time, i assume 35 seconds is probably when they are at such a stage

    – user15464
    4 hours ago










1




1





Minchas yitzchak only says that to be machmir and be yotzei midei safek. even according to him, it should be longer. And I don't know who the devar halacha is but there is no way that you can roast an egg and swallow it in 35 seconds.

– רבות מחשבות
4 hours ago





Minchas yitzchak only says that to be machmir and be yotzei midei safek. even according to him, it should be longer. And I don't know who the devar halacha is but there is no way that you can roast an egg and swallow it in 35 seconds.

– רבות מחשבות
4 hours ago




1




1





@רבותמחשבות do you mean 5 minutes is Machmir to make sure the Chosson satys with the Kalla in the Yichud room?

– user15464
4 hours ago





@רבותמחשבות do you mean 5 minutes is Machmir to make sure the Chosson satys with the Kalla in the Yichud room?

– user15464
4 hours ago













I mean I read the teshuvah and he says that this shitah would be hard to approximate, and the 5 minutes would be yotzei midei safek (it sounds like for a case of sotah, not yichud, and 5 minutes would be the minimum shiur)

– רבות מחשבות
4 hours ago







I mean I read the teshuvah and he says that this shitah would be hard to approximate, and the 5 minutes would be yotzei midei safek (it sounds like for a case of sotah, not yichud, and 5 minutes would be the minimum shiur)

– רבות מחשבות
4 hours ago






1




1





note that many poskim understand the shiur of yichud in general to be longer than the shiur of yichud by a sotah, see R' Moshe's teshuvah.

– רבות מחשבות
4 hours ago





note that many poskim understand the shiur of yichud in general to be longer than the shiur of yichud by a sotah, see R' Moshe's teshuvah.

– רבות מחשבות
4 hours ago













@רבותמחשבות also remember tosfos who says taking of the clothes is not included in the time, i assume 35 seconds is probably when they are at such a stage

– user15464
4 hours ago







@רבותמחשבות also remember tosfos who says taking of the clothes is not included in the time, i assume 35 seconds is probably when they are at such a stage

– user15464
4 hours ago





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