If $f(x)≤x$ , then $f′(x)≤1$?
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I'm studying Calculus and having a trouble solving this question.
1) If $f(x)leq x$, then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?
2) What if $f(0)=0$, $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$?
I could easily find the counter example for 1) (Therefore it is false)
But I'm not sure about 2)
If $f(0)=0$ and $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$ &
$f(x)leq x$ , then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?
Please leave a comment if you don't mind :)
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I'm studying Calculus and having a trouble solving this question.
1) If $f(x)leq x$, then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?
2) What if $f(0)=0$, $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$?
I could easily find the counter example for 1) (Therefore it is false)
But I'm not sure about 2)
If $f(0)=0$ and $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$ &
$f(x)leq x$ , then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?
Please leave a comment if you don't mind :)
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The question is unclear: is the exercise ``consider a differentiable function $f$ such that $f(0)=0$ and $f(x)leq x$ for all $x$. Show that $f'(x)leq 1$ for all $x$.''?
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I'm not sure that the new edits improved the question. I preferred the original version of the question, which gave a little more context.
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I'm studying Calculus and having a trouble solving this question.
1) If $f(x)leq x$, then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?
2) What if $f(0)=0$, $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$?
I could easily find the counter example for 1) (Therefore it is false)
But I'm not sure about 2)
If $f(0)=0$ and $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$ &
$f(x)leq x$ , then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?
Please leave a comment if you don't mind :)
calculus derivatives
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I'm studying Calculus and having a trouble solving this question.
1) If $f(x)leq x$, then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?
2) What if $f(0)=0$, $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$?
I could easily find the counter example for 1) (Therefore it is false)
But I'm not sure about 2)
If $f(0)=0$ and $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$ &
$f(x)leq x$ , then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?
Please leave a comment if you don't mind :)
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The question is unclear: is the exercise ``consider a differentiable function $f$ such that $f(0)=0$ and $f(x)leq x$ for all $x$. Show that $f'(x)leq 1$ for all $x$.''?
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– b00n heT
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I'm not sure that the new edits improved the question. I preferred the original version of the question, which gave a little more context.
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– littleO
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Don't remove relevant information from your question!
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The question is unclear: is the exercise ``consider a differentiable function $f$ such that $f(0)=0$ and $f(x)leq x$ for all $x$. Show that $f'(x)leq 1$ for all $x$.''?
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– b00n heT
14 hours ago
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I'm not sure that the new edits improved the question. I preferred the original version of the question, which gave a little more context.
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– littleO
14 hours ago
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Don't remove relevant information from your question!
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– user21820
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The question is unclear: is the exercise ``consider a differentiable function $f$ such that $f(0)=0$ and $f(x)leq x$ for all $x$. Show that $f'(x)leq 1$ for all $x$.''?
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– b00n heT
14 hours ago
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The question is unclear: is the exercise ``consider a differentiable function $f$ such that $f(0)=0$ and $f(x)leq x$ for all $x$. Show that $f'(x)leq 1$ for all $x$.''?
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– b00n heT
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I'm not sure that the new edits improved the question. I preferred the original version of the question, which gave a little more context.
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– littleO
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I'm not sure that the new edits improved the question. I preferred the original version of the question, which gave a little more context.
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– littleO
14 hours ago
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Don't remove relevant information from your question!
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Don't remove relevant information from your question!
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Draw the line $y=x$, and then draw any kind of squiggly function you want that stays below or touches the line. In particular, the function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$ has $f'(x)gt1$ for all $x$, while $f(x)=x-{1over2}x^2$ satisfies $f(0)=0$ but $f'(x)gt1$ for $xlt0$.
Remark: The original version of the OP's question had two parts, with the condition $f(0)=0$ being added in the second part. The function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$, of course, does not satisfy that condition.
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Hint: Consider $$f(x)=x-A sin^2 x $$
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Let for example $f(x)=xsin x$, then $f(0)=0$ and for any real $x$ $f(x)leq x$. Then the derivative will look like this: $f'(x)=sin x+xcos x$ and so will exist for all $x$. Taking $x=2pi n$, where $n$ is positive integer we get $f'(x)=2pi n$, which evidently has no upper limitation.
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$f(x)leq x$ fails for $x$ negative.
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Draw the line $y=x$, and then draw any kind of squiggly function you want that stays below or touches the line. In particular, the function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$ has $f'(x)gt1$ for all $x$, while $f(x)=x-{1over2}x^2$ satisfies $f(0)=0$ but $f'(x)gt1$ for $xlt0$.
Remark: The original version of the OP's question had two parts, with the condition $f(0)=0$ being added in the second part. The function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$, of course, does not satisfy that condition.
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Draw the line $y=x$, and then draw any kind of squiggly function you want that stays below or touches the line. In particular, the function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$ has $f'(x)gt1$ for all $x$, while $f(x)=x-{1over2}x^2$ satisfies $f(0)=0$ but $f'(x)gt1$ for $xlt0$.
Remark: The original version of the OP's question had two parts, with the condition $f(0)=0$ being added in the second part. The function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$, of course, does not satisfy that condition.
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Draw the line $y=x$, and then draw any kind of squiggly function you want that stays below or touches the line. In particular, the function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$ has $f'(x)gt1$ for all $x$, while $f(x)=x-{1over2}x^2$ satisfies $f(0)=0$ but $f'(x)gt1$ for $xlt0$.
Remark: The original version of the OP's question had two parts, with the condition $f(0)=0$ being added in the second part. The function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$, of course, does not satisfy that condition.
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Draw the line $y=x$, and then draw any kind of squiggly function you want that stays below or touches the line. In particular, the function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$ has $f'(x)gt1$ for all $x$, while $f(x)=x-{1over2}x^2$ satisfies $f(0)=0$ but $f'(x)gt1$ for $xlt0$.
Remark: The original version of the OP's question had two parts, with the condition $f(0)=0$ being added in the second part. The function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$, of course, does not satisfy that condition.
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Hint: Consider $$f(x)=x-A sin^2 x $$
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Hint: Consider $$f(x)=x-A sin^2 x $$
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Hint: Consider $$f(x)=x-A sin^2 x $$
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Hint: Consider $$f(x)=x-A sin^2 x $$
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Let for example $f(x)=xsin x$, then $f(0)=0$ and for any real $x$ $f(x)leq x$. Then the derivative will look like this: $f'(x)=sin x+xcos x$ and so will exist for all $x$. Taking $x=2pi n$, where $n$ is positive integer we get $f'(x)=2pi n$, which evidently has no upper limitation.
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$f(x)leq x$ fails for $x$ negative.
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Let for example $f(x)=xsin x$, then $f(0)=0$ and for any real $x$ $f(x)leq x$. Then the derivative will look like this: $f'(x)=sin x+xcos x$ and so will exist for all $x$. Taking $x=2pi n$, where $n$ is positive integer we get $f'(x)=2pi n$, which evidently has no upper limitation.
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$f(x)leq x$ fails for $x$ negative.
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Let for example $f(x)=xsin x$, then $f(0)=0$ and for any real $x$ $f(x)leq x$. Then the derivative will look like this: $f'(x)=sin x+xcos x$ and so will exist for all $x$. Taking $x=2pi n$, where $n$ is positive integer we get $f'(x)=2pi n$, which evidently has no upper limitation.
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Let for example $f(x)=xsin x$, then $f(0)=0$ and for any real $x$ $f(x)leq x$. Then the derivative will look like this: $f'(x)=sin x+xcos x$ and so will exist for all $x$. Taking $x=2pi n$, where $n$ is positive integer we get $f'(x)=2pi n$, which evidently has no upper limitation.
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The question is unclear: is the exercise ``consider a differentiable function $f$ such that $f(0)=0$ and $f(x)leq x$ for all $x$. Show that $f'(x)leq 1$ for all $x$.''?
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– b00n heT
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I'm not sure that the new edits improved the question. I preferred the original version of the question, which gave a little more context.
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– littleO
14 hours ago
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Don't remove relevant information from your question!
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– user21820
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