Is “ein Herz wie das meine” an antiquated or colloquial use of the possesive pronoun?












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I am confused by the use of meine in this quote from Die Leiden des jungen Werther




Waren nicht meine übrigen Verbindungen recht ausgesucht vom Schicksal, um ein Herz wie das meine zu ängstigen?




I take ein Herz wie das meine to mean a heart such as mine.



If meine refers to Herz shouldn't it be in the accusative neuter?




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    wie das meinem is neither accusative nor right, it is a mix with dative and wrong. I cannot find any "sounds odd/old/wrong" on your quote from Goethe. just the entire way of speaking in this book is a bit "gestelzt".

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I am confused by the use of meine in this quote from Die Leiden des jungen Werther




Waren nicht meine übrigen Verbindungen recht ausgesucht vom Schicksal, um ein Herz wie das meine zu ängstigen?




I take ein Herz wie das meine to mean a heart such as mine.



If meine refers to Herz shouldn't it be in the accusative neuter?




ein Herz wie das meinem







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    wie das meinem is neither accusative nor right, it is a mix with dative and wrong. I cannot find any "sounds odd/old/wrong" on your quote from Goethe. just the entire way of speaking in this book is a bit "gestelzt".

    – Shegit Brahm
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I am confused by the use of meine in this quote from Die Leiden des jungen Werther




Waren nicht meine übrigen Verbindungen recht ausgesucht vom Schicksal, um ein Herz wie das meine zu ängstigen?




I take ein Herz wie das meine to mean a heart such as mine.



If meine refers to Herz shouldn't it be in the accusative neuter?




ein Herz wie das meinem







possessive-pronouns







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I am confused by the use of meine in this quote from Die Leiden des jungen Werther




Waren nicht meine übrigen Verbindungen recht ausgesucht vom Schicksal, um ein Herz wie das meine zu ängstigen?




I take ein Herz wie das meine to mean a heart such as mine.



If meine refers to Herz shouldn't it be in the accusative neuter?




ein Herz wie das meinem







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    wie das meinem is neither accusative nor right, it is a mix with dative and wrong. I cannot find any "sounds odd/old/wrong" on your quote from Goethe. just the entire way of speaking in this book is a bit "gestelzt".

    – Shegit Brahm
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    wie das meinem is neither accusative nor right, it is a mix with dative and wrong. I cannot find any "sounds odd/old/wrong" on your quote from Goethe. just the entire way of speaking in this book is a bit "gestelzt".

    – Shegit Brahm
    11 hours ago








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wie das meinem is neither accusative nor right, it is a mix with dative and wrong. I cannot find any "sounds odd/old/wrong" on your quote from Goethe. just the entire way of speaking in this book is a bit "gestelzt".

– Shegit Brahm
11 hours ago





wie das meinem is neither accusative nor right, it is a mix with dative and wrong. I cannot find any "sounds odd/old/wrong" on your quote from Goethe. just the entire way of speaking in this book is a bit "gestelzt".

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No. It's perfectly right. You are also right supposing that the case is accusative and the gender neuter. You are wrong, however, using meinem (is dative).



In the Wiktionary
enter image description here table, cf. Nicht-attributiv, mit Artikel, you'll find agreement with Goethe's text. It's probably another register (gehoben) but definitely not wrong (nor unusual, nor colloquial).






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    In your example, meine is a possessive adjective with a regular weak ending -e (just as in das kranke Herz). The more modern form would be




    ein Herz wie meins




    with a neuter possessive pronoun (ending -s). Personally, I do find the combination of definite article and possessive adjective old-fashioned. Note that these adjectives can have -ig appended to them.




    daß grade Athen der Ort war wo ein Geist wie der seinige sich aufs herrlichste entwickelt mußte (Quelle)







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      No. It's perfectly right. You are also right supposing that the case is accusative and the gender neuter. You are wrong, however, using meinem (is dative).



      In the Wiktionary
      enter image description here table, cf. Nicht-attributiv, mit Artikel, you'll find agreement with Goethe's text. It's probably another register (gehoben) but definitely not wrong (nor unusual, nor colloquial).






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        No. It's perfectly right. You are also right supposing that the case is accusative and the gender neuter. You are wrong, however, using meinem (is dative).



        In the Wiktionary
        enter image description here table, cf. Nicht-attributiv, mit Artikel, you'll find agreement with Goethe's text. It's probably another register (gehoben) but definitely not wrong (nor unusual, nor colloquial).






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          No. It's perfectly right. You are also right supposing that the case is accusative and the gender neuter. You are wrong, however, using meinem (is dative).



          In the Wiktionary
          enter image description here table, cf. Nicht-attributiv, mit Artikel, you'll find agreement with Goethe's text. It's probably another register (gehoben) but definitely not wrong (nor unusual, nor colloquial).






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          No. It's perfectly right. You are also right supposing that the case is accusative and the gender neuter. You are wrong, however, using meinem (is dative).



          In the Wiktionary
          enter image description here table, cf. Nicht-attributiv, mit Artikel, you'll find agreement with Goethe's text. It's probably another register (gehoben) but definitely not wrong (nor unusual, nor colloquial).







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              In your example, meine is a possessive adjective with a regular weak ending -e (just as in das kranke Herz). The more modern form would be




              ein Herz wie meins




              with a neuter possessive pronoun (ending -s). Personally, I do find the combination of definite article and possessive adjective old-fashioned. Note that these adjectives can have -ig appended to them.




              daß grade Athen der Ort war wo ein Geist wie der seinige sich aufs herrlichste entwickelt mußte (Quelle)







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                In your example, meine is a possessive adjective with a regular weak ending -e (just as in das kranke Herz). The more modern form would be




                ein Herz wie meins




                with a neuter possessive pronoun (ending -s). Personally, I do find the combination of definite article and possessive adjective old-fashioned. Note that these adjectives can have -ig appended to them.




                daß grade Athen der Ort war wo ein Geist wie der seinige sich aufs herrlichste entwickelt mußte (Quelle)







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                  In your example, meine is a possessive adjective with a regular weak ending -e (just as in das kranke Herz). The more modern form would be




                  ein Herz wie meins




                  with a neuter possessive pronoun (ending -s). Personally, I do find the combination of definite article and possessive adjective old-fashioned. Note that these adjectives can have -ig appended to them.




                  daß grade Athen der Ort war wo ein Geist wie der seinige sich aufs herrlichste entwickelt mußte (Quelle)







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                  In your example, meine is a possessive adjective with a regular weak ending -e (just as in das kranke Herz). The more modern form would be




                  ein Herz wie meins




                  with a neuter possessive pronoun (ending -s). Personally, I do find the combination of definite article and possessive adjective old-fashioned. Note that these adjectives can have -ig appended to them.




                  daß grade Athen der Ort war wo ein Geist wie der seinige sich aufs herrlichste entwickelt mußte (Quelle)








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