Why do airplanes bank sharply to the right after air-to-air refueling?
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Whenever I see videos on YouTube they bank really sharply to the right after disconnecting from the tanker. Why wouldn't they do a more shallow 30-degree bank?
See this video for reference:
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Whenever I see videos on YouTube they bank really sharply to the right after disconnecting from the tanker. Why wouldn't they do a more shallow 30-degree bank?
See this video for reference:
military maneuver mid-air-refueling
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Rule Of Cool. Normally they do a barrel roll.
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– Harper
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I don't see "sharply" TBH
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– Mayou36
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@mayou36 it is subjective. What is 'sharply' for a landlubber layman might be a soft bank for an airborn flyer. Who knows? I don't. Unless math gets involved and we define the 'sharply' threshold, it is fine to use these terms IMHO
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– Mindwin
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The point is, there's nothing abnormal about what's happening here, which is what OP is suggesting.
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– zymhan
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The premise of the question is wrong. That's not a "really sharp" bank. It's both shallow and slow; especially if you think in terms of a fighter jet. I would argue that the bank is not "sharp" even for a recreational aircraft.
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Whenever I see videos on YouTube they bank really sharply to the right after disconnecting from the tanker. Why wouldn't they do a more shallow 30-degree bank?
See this video for reference:
military maneuver mid-air-refueling
edited 2 days ago
ymb1
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asked Mar 28 at 17:04
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Whenever I see videos on YouTube they bank really sharply to the right after disconnecting from the tanker. Why wouldn't they do a more shallow 30-degree bank?
See this video for reference:
military maneuver mid-air-refueling
military maneuver mid-air-refueling
edited 2 days ago
ymb1
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asked Mar 28 at 17:04
pythonhelpthrowpythonhelpthrow
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edited 2 days ago
ymb1
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edited 2 days ago
ymb1
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ymb1
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Rule Of Cool. Normally they do a barrel roll.
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– Harper
Mar 28 at 22:17
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I don't see "sharply" TBH
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– Mayou36
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@mayou36 it is subjective. What is 'sharply' for a landlubber layman might be a soft bank for an airborn flyer. Who knows? I don't. Unless math gets involved and we define the 'sharply' threshold, it is fine to use these terms IMHO
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– Mindwin
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The point is, there's nothing abnormal about what's happening here, which is what OP is suggesting.
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– zymhan
2 days ago
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The premise of the question is wrong. That's not a "really sharp" bank. It's both shallow and slow; especially if you think in terms of a fighter jet. I would argue that the bank is not "sharp" even for a recreational aircraft.
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– Martin Argerami
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Rule Of Cool. Normally they do a barrel roll.
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– Harper
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I don't see "sharply" TBH
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– Mayou36
2 days ago
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@mayou36 it is subjective. What is 'sharply' for a landlubber layman might be a soft bank for an airborn flyer. Who knows? I don't. Unless math gets involved and we define the 'sharply' threshold, it is fine to use these terms IMHO
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– Mindwin
2 days ago
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The point is, there's nothing abnormal about what's happening here, which is what OP is suggesting.
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– zymhan
2 days ago
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The premise of the question is wrong. That's not a "really sharp" bank. It's both shallow and slow; especially if you think in terms of a fighter jet. I would argue that the bank is not "sharp" even for a recreational aircraft.
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– Martin Argerami
2 days ago
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Rule Of Cool. Normally they do a barrel roll.
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– Harper
Mar 28 at 22:17
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Rule Of Cool. Normally they do a barrel roll.
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– Harper
Mar 28 at 22:17
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I don't see "sharply" TBH
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– Mayou36
2 days ago
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I don't see "sharply" TBH
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– Mayou36
2 days ago
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@mayou36 it is subjective. What is 'sharply' for a landlubber layman might be a soft bank for an airborn flyer. Who knows? I don't. Unless math gets involved and we define the 'sharply' threshold, it is fine to use these terms IMHO
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– Mindwin
2 days ago
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@mayou36 it is subjective. What is 'sharply' for a landlubber layman might be a soft bank for an airborn flyer. Who knows? I don't. Unless math gets involved and we define the 'sharply' threshold, it is fine to use these terms IMHO
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– Mindwin
2 days ago
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The point is, there's nothing abnormal about what's happening here, which is what OP is suggesting.
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– zymhan
2 days ago
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The point is, there's nothing abnormal about what's happening here, which is what OP is suggesting.
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– zymhan
2 days ago
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The premise of the question is wrong. That's not a "really sharp" bank. It's both shallow and slow; especially if you think in terms of a fighter jet. I would argue that the bank is not "sharp" even for a recreational aircraft.
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– Martin Argerami
2 days ago
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The premise of the question is wrong. That's not a "really sharp" bank. It's both shallow and slow; especially if you think in terms of a fighter jet. I would argue that the bank is not "sharp" even for a recreational aircraft.
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Fighter jets are very maneuverable, so they may make anything from a shallow bank to a breakaway maneuver. The breakaway is a standard way for fighter jets to exit a formation. It provides a way to safely and quickly gain separation from the other aircraft.
In this case the bank is fairly shallow, but when the aircraft disconnects they are already in a shallow right turn, so the total bank angle is a bit larger.
answered Mar 28 at 17:18
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Some may choose to do a gentle breakaway.
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– ymb1
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That was not a breakaway maneuver, that was just moving to the outside of the formation.
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– Michael Hall
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The video absolutely does not show a breakaway manoeuvre. This is incorrect.
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– J...
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Doesn't really look all that aggressive to me, either way the fighter and the tanker are very vulnerable while refueling. Usually there is more than one aircraft waiting to refuel, so the goal of this game is to run as many of the aircraft in formation through refueling as quickly as possible.
In order to do that, you need to get your wake out of the way for the next guy to get a smooth approach to the basket. As Fooot says in his answer, the pilot is using a standard "breakaway" maneuver to get out of the formation and wait for the other pilots in the flight to get the fuel and continue with the mission.
Plus you just got a full tank of fuel in the world's funnest military equipment...
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I agree it doesn't look very aggressive, and therefore wouldn't call it a "breakaway". In fact this pilot was not even leaving the formation, he simply moved to the right side and stopped there. Perhaps waiting on a wingman to top off...
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– Michael Hall
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A breakaway is for... breaking away... quickly. The plane did not leave the formation. It did not move to the side quickly either. It just casually repositioned itself in the formation.
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Different air forces may operate with different conventions, but right from basic flight training the RAF classifies banked turns of 20 degrees as "gentle," 40 as "medium" and 60 as "steep," and the most commonly used are "medium".
Ref: The RAF Basic Flying Manual (1952 edition) - https://www.t6harvard.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Chapter-3.pdf page 26-27.
The video is just a 40 degree banked turn.
The aircraft have no problem handling the G loads in 60 degree banked turns, and there are not going to be any complaints from passengers in Business Class that the flight crew spilled their gin and tonic!
answered Mar 28 at 22:06
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Even most light piston aircraft have no problem with 60 degree banked turns. It's just 2 Gs if you hold altitude. That's nothing for a fighter.
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A jet joins on one side of the tanker then when its turn comes moves behind to tank then when finished, clears off to the other side. Bear in mind a whole formation may be tanking and need to flow through the same process. The turn after tanking is not a hard turn in fast jet terms.
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They do this because there are 3 main parts to an air to air refuel:
- port observation where they wait to be refueled in a line.
- refuel area where they actually get refueled.
- reform area where they wait for the rest of the squadron.
After the refuel, they will bank the right to go to the reform area and will wait for the rest of there squadron. Once everyone is refueled then they break from the tanker.
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Others seem to have answered the why such a sharp maneuver part of the question, so I will answer the why to the right part. Collision avoidance in aircraft is always by turning to the right when possible. Keeping the formation in such a way that the pilot can always escape to the right is probably done to ensure safety, as it lines up with the engrained training.
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Two aircraft must either be flying in formation, or be far apart, to be safe. While the fighter is in the process of leaving the tanker, it is neither. It therefore moves away quickly using the standard breakaway manoeuvre. Bank really sharply? The video showed a positively leisurely turn in the circumstances.
Why to the right? It's standard to approach on the left side of the tanker. That's where other fighters waiting and approaching to refuel will be, so the left is a good side to avoid.
answered 2 days ago
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I agree it was leisurely, but "leisurely" and "breakaway" don't go together...
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To gain as much seperation as quickly as possible.
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Fighter jets are very maneuverable, so they may make anything from a shallow bank to a breakaway maneuver. The breakaway is a standard way for fighter jets to exit a formation. It provides a way to safely and quickly gain separation from the other aircraft.
In this case the bank is fairly shallow, but when the aircraft disconnects they are already in a shallow right turn, so the total bank angle is a bit larger.
answered Mar 28 at 17:18
foootfooot
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Some may choose to do a gentle breakaway.
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– ymb1
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That was not a breakaway maneuver, that was just moving to the outside of the formation.
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– Michael Hall
2 days ago
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The video absolutely does not show a breakaway manoeuvre. This is incorrect.
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– J...
2 days ago
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Fighter jets are very maneuverable, so they may make anything from a shallow bank to a breakaway maneuver. The breakaway is a standard way for fighter jets to exit a formation. It provides a way to safely and quickly gain separation from the other aircraft.
In this case the bank is fairly shallow, but when the aircraft disconnects they are already in a shallow right turn, so the total bank angle is a bit larger.
answered Mar 28 at 17:18
foootfooot
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Some may choose to do a gentle breakaway.
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– ymb1
2 days ago
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That was not a breakaway maneuver, that was just moving to the outside of the formation.
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– Michael Hall
2 days ago
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The video absolutely does not show a breakaway manoeuvre. This is incorrect.
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– J...
2 days ago
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Fighter jets are very maneuverable, so they may make anything from a shallow bank to a breakaway maneuver. The breakaway is a standard way for fighter jets to exit a formation. It provides a way to safely and quickly gain separation from the other aircraft.
In this case the bank is fairly shallow, but when the aircraft disconnects they are already in a shallow right turn, so the total bank angle is a bit larger.
answered Mar 28 at 17:18
foootfooot
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Fighter jets are very maneuverable, so they may make anything from a shallow bank to a breakaway maneuver. The breakaway is a standard way for fighter jets to exit a formation. It provides a way to safely and quickly gain separation from the other aircraft.
In this case the bank is fairly shallow, but when the aircraft disconnects they are already in a shallow right turn, so the total bank angle is a bit larger.
answered Mar 28 at 17:18
foootfooot
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answered Mar 28 at 17:18
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Some may choose to do a gentle breakaway.
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– ymb1
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That was not a breakaway maneuver, that was just moving to the outside of the formation.
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– Michael Hall
2 days ago
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The video absolutely does not show a breakaway manoeuvre. This is incorrect.
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– J...
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Some may choose to do a gentle breakaway.
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– ymb1
2 days ago
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That was not a breakaway maneuver, that was just moving to the outside of the formation.
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– Michael Hall
2 days ago
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The video absolutely does not show a breakaway manoeuvre. This is incorrect.
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– J...
2 days ago
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Some may choose to do a gentle breakaway.
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– ymb1
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Some may choose to do a gentle breakaway.
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– ymb1
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That was not a breakaway maneuver, that was just moving to the outside of the formation.
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– Michael Hall
2 days ago
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That was not a breakaway maneuver, that was just moving to the outside of the formation.
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– Michael Hall
2 days ago
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The video absolutely does not show a breakaway manoeuvre. This is incorrect.
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– J...
2 days ago
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The video absolutely does not show a breakaway manoeuvre. This is incorrect.
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– J...
2 days ago
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Doesn't really look all that aggressive to me, either way the fighter and the tanker are very vulnerable while refueling. Usually there is more than one aircraft waiting to refuel, so the goal of this game is to run as many of the aircraft in formation through refueling as quickly as possible.
In order to do that, you need to get your wake out of the way for the next guy to get a smooth approach to the basket. As Fooot says in his answer, the pilot is using a standard "breakaway" maneuver to get out of the formation and wait for the other pilots in the flight to get the fuel and continue with the mission.
Plus you just got a full tank of fuel in the world's funnest military equipment...
edited Mar 28 at 22:55
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I agree it doesn't look very aggressive, and therefore wouldn't call it a "breakaway". In fact this pilot was not even leaving the formation, he simply moved to the right side and stopped there. Perhaps waiting on a wingman to top off...
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– Michael Hall
2 days ago
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A breakaway is for... breaking away... quickly. The plane did not leave the formation. It did not move to the side quickly either. It just casually repositioned itself in the formation.
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– J...
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Doesn't really look all that aggressive to me, either way the fighter and the tanker are very vulnerable while refueling. Usually there is more than one aircraft waiting to refuel, so the goal of this game is to run as many of the aircraft in formation through refueling as quickly as possible.
In order to do that, you need to get your wake out of the way for the next guy to get a smooth approach to the basket. As Fooot says in his answer, the pilot is using a standard "breakaway" maneuver to get out of the formation and wait for the other pilots in the flight to get the fuel and continue with the mission.
Plus you just got a full tank of fuel in the world's funnest military equipment...
edited Mar 28 at 22:55
reirab
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Ron BeyerRon Beyer
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I agree it doesn't look very aggressive, and therefore wouldn't call it a "breakaway". In fact this pilot was not even leaving the formation, he simply moved to the right side and stopped there. Perhaps waiting on a wingman to top off...
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– Michael Hall
2 days ago
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A breakaway is for... breaking away... quickly. The plane did not leave the formation. It did not move to the side quickly either. It just casually repositioned itself in the formation.
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– J...
2 days ago
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Doesn't really look all that aggressive to me, either way the fighter and the tanker are very vulnerable while refueling. Usually there is more than one aircraft waiting to refuel, so the goal of this game is to run as many of the aircraft in formation through refueling as quickly as possible.
In order to do that, you need to get your wake out of the way for the next guy to get a smooth approach to the basket. As Fooot says in his answer, the pilot is using a standard "breakaway" maneuver to get out of the formation and wait for the other pilots in the flight to get the fuel and continue with the mission.
Plus you just got a full tank of fuel in the world's funnest military equipment...
edited Mar 28 at 22:55
reirab
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answered Mar 28 at 17:33
Ron BeyerRon Beyer
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Doesn't really look all that aggressive to me, either way the fighter and the tanker are very vulnerable while refueling. Usually there is more than one aircraft waiting to refuel, so the goal of this game is to run as many of the aircraft in formation through refueling as quickly as possible.
In order to do that, you need to get your wake out of the way for the next guy to get a smooth approach to the basket. As Fooot says in his answer, the pilot is using a standard "breakaway" maneuver to get out of the formation and wait for the other pilots in the flight to get the fuel and continue with the mission.
Plus you just got a full tank of fuel in the world's funnest military equipment...
edited Mar 28 at 22:55
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answered Mar 28 at 17:33
Ron BeyerRon Beyer
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reirab
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I agree it doesn't look very aggressive, and therefore wouldn't call it a "breakaway". In fact this pilot was not even leaving the formation, he simply moved to the right side and stopped there. Perhaps waiting on a wingman to top off...
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– Michael Hall
2 days ago
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A breakaway is for... breaking away... quickly. The plane did not leave the formation. It did not move to the side quickly either. It just casually repositioned itself in the formation.
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– J...
2 days ago
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I agree it doesn't look very aggressive, and therefore wouldn't call it a "breakaway". In fact this pilot was not even leaving the formation, he simply moved to the right side and stopped there. Perhaps waiting on a wingman to top off...
$endgroup$
– Michael Hall
2 days ago
3
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A breakaway is for... breaking away... quickly. The plane did not leave the formation. It did not move to the side quickly either. It just casually repositioned itself in the formation.
$endgroup$
– J...
2 days ago
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I agree it doesn't look very aggressive, and therefore wouldn't call it a "breakaway". In fact this pilot was not even leaving the formation, he simply moved to the right side and stopped there. Perhaps waiting on a wingman to top off...
$endgroup$
– Michael Hall
2 days ago
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I agree it doesn't look very aggressive, and therefore wouldn't call it a "breakaway". In fact this pilot was not even leaving the formation, he simply moved to the right side and stopped there. Perhaps waiting on a wingman to top off...
$endgroup$
– Michael Hall
2 days ago
3
3
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A breakaway is for... breaking away... quickly. The plane did not leave the formation. It did not move to the side quickly either. It just casually repositioned itself in the formation.
$endgroup$
– J...
2 days ago
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A breakaway is for... breaking away... quickly. The plane did not leave the formation. It did not move to the side quickly either. It just casually repositioned itself in the formation.
$endgroup$
– J...
2 days ago
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Different air forces may operate with different conventions, but right from basic flight training the RAF classifies banked turns of 20 degrees as "gentle," 40 as "medium" and 60 as "steep," and the most commonly used are "medium".
Ref: The RAF Basic Flying Manual (1952 edition) - https://www.t6harvard.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Chapter-3.pdf page 26-27.
The video is just a 40 degree banked turn.
The aircraft have no problem handling the G loads in 60 degree banked turns, and there are not going to be any complaints from passengers in Business Class that the flight crew spilled their gin and tonic!
answered Mar 28 at 22:06
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Even most light piston aircraft have no problem with 60 degree banked turns. It's just 2 Gs if you hold altitude. That's nothing for a fighter.
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Different air forces may operate with different conventions, but right from basic flight training the RAF classifies banked turns of 20 degrees as "gentle," 40 as "medium" and 60 as "steep," and the most commonly used are "medium".
Ref: The RAF Basic Flying Manual (1952 edition) - https://www.t6harvard.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Chapter-3.pdf page 26-27.
The video is just a 40 degree banked turn.
The aircraft have no problem handling the G loads in 60 degree banked turns, and there are not going to be any complaints from passengers in Business Class that the flight crew spilled their gin and tonic!
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Even most light piston aircraft have no problem with 60 degree banked turns. It's just 2 Gs if you hold altitude. That's nothing for a fighter.
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Different air forces may operate with different conventions, but right from basic flight training the RAF classifies banked turns of 20 degrees as "gentle," 40 as "medium" and 60 as "steep," and the most commonly used are "medium".
Ref: The RAF Basic Flying Manual (1952 edition) - https://www.t6harvard.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Chapter-3.pdf page 26-27.
The video is just a 40 degree banked turn.
The aircraft have no problem handling the G loads in 60 degree banked turns, and there are not going to be any complaints from passengers in Business Class that the flight crew spilled their gin and tonic!
answered Mar 28 at 22:06
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Different air forces may operate with different conventions, but right from basic flight training the RAF classifies banked turns of 20 degrees as "gentle," 40 as "medium" and 60 as "steep," and the most commonly used are "medium".
Ref: The RAF Basic Flying Manual (1952 edition) - https://www.t6harvard.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Chapter-3.pdf page 26-27.
The video is just a 40 degree banked turn.
The aircraft have no problem handling the G loads in 60 degree banked turns, and there are not going to be any complaints from passengers in Business Class that the flight crew spilled their gin and tonic!
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Even most light piston aircraft have no problem with 60 degree banked turns. It's just 2 Gs if you hold altitude. That's nothing for a fighter.
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– reirab
Mar 28 at 22:58
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Even most light piston aircraft have no problem with 60 degree banked turns. It's just 2 Gs if you hold altitude. That's nothing for a fighter.
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Even most light piston aircraft have no problem with 60 degree banked turns. It's just 2 Gs if you hold altitude. That's nothing for a fighter.
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– reirab
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Even most light piston aircraft have no problem with 60 degree banked turns. It's just 2 Gs if you hold altitude. That's nothing for a fighter.
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A jet joins on one side of the tanker then when its turn comes moves behind to tank then when finished, clears off to the other side. Bear in mind a whole formation may be tanking and need to flow through the same process. The turn after tanking is not a hard turn in fast jet terms.
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A jet joins on one side of the tanker then when its turn comes moves behind to tank then when finished, clears off to the other side. Bear in mind a whole formation may be tanking and need to flow through the same process. The turn after tanking is not a hard turn in fast jet terms.
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A jet joins on one side of the tanker then when its turn comes moves behind to tank then when finished, clears off to the other side. Bear in mind a whole formation may be tanking and need to flow through the same process. The turn after tanking is not a hard turn in fast jet terms.
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A jet joins on one side of the tanker then when its turn comes moves behind to tank then when finished, clears off to the other side. Bear in mind a whole formation may be tanking and need to flow through the same process. The turn after tanking is not a hard turn in fast jet terms.
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They do this because there are 3 main parts to an air to air refuel:
- port observation where they wait to be refueled in a line.
- refuel area where they actually get refueled.
- reform area where they wait for the rest of the squadron.
After the refuel, they will bank the right to go to the reform area and will wait for the rest of there squadron. Once everyone is refueled then they break from the tanker.
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They do this because there are 3 main parts to an air to air refuel:
- port observation where they wait to be refueled in a line.
- refuel area where they actually get refueled.
- reform area where they wait for the rest of the squadron.
After the refuel, they will bank the right to go to the reform area and will wait for the rest of there squadron. Once everyone is refueled then they break from the tanker.
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They do this because there are 3 main parts to an air to air refuel:
- port observation where they wait to be refueled in a line.
- refuel area where they actually get refueled.
- reform area where they wait for the rest of the squadron.
After the refuel, they will bank the right to go to the reform area and will wait for the rest of there squadron. Once everyone is refueled then they break from the tanker.
answered 2 days ago
Zac CallaghanZac Callaghan
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They do this because there are 3 main parts to an air to air refuel:
- port observation where they wait to be refueled in a line.
- refuel area where they actually get refueled.
- reform area where they wait for the rest of the squadron.
After the refuel, they will bank the right to go to the reform area and will wait for the rest of there squadron. Once everyone is refueled then they break from the tanker.
answered 2 days ago
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Zac CallaghanZac Callaghan
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Others seem to have answered the why such a sharp maneuver part of the question, so I will answer the why to the right part. Collision avoidance in aircraft is always by turning to the right when possible. Keeping the formation in such a way that the pilot can always escape to the right is probably done to ensure safety, as it lines up with the engrained training.
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Others seem to have answered the why such a sharp maneuver part of the question, so I will answer the why to the right part. Collision avoidance in aircraft is always by turning to the right when possible. Keeping the formation in such a way that the pilot can always escape to the right is probably done to ensure safety, as it lines up with the engrained training.
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Others seem to have answered the why such a sharp maneuver part of the question, so I will answer the why to the right part. Collision avoidance in aircraft is always by turning to the right when possible. Keeping the formation in such a way that the pilot can always escape to the right is probably done to ensure safety, as it lines up with the engrained training.
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Others seem to have answered the why such a sharp maneuver part of the question, so I will answer the why to the right part. Collision avoidance in aircraft is always by turning to the right when possible. Keeping the formation in such a way that the pilot can always escape to the right is probably done to ensure safety, as it lines up with the engrained training.
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Two aircraft must either be flying in formation, or be far apart, to be safe. While the fighter is in the process of leaving the tanker, it is neither. It therefore moves away quickly using the standard breakaway manoeuvre. Bank really sharply? The video showed a positively leisurely turn in the circumstances.
Why to the right? It's standard to approach on the left side of the tanker. That's where other fighters waiting and approaching to refuel will be, so the left is a good side to avoid.
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I agree it was leisurely, but "leisurely" and "breakaway" don't go together...
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Two aircraft must either be flying in formation, or be far apart, to be safe. While the fighter is in the process of leaving the tanker, it is neither. It therefore moves away quickly using the standard breakaway manoeuvre. Bank really sharply? The video showed a positively leisurely turn in the circumstances.
Why to the right? It's standard to approach on the left side of the tanker. That's where other fighters waiting and approaching to refuel will be, so the left is a good side to avoid.
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I agree it was leisurely, but "leisurely" and "breakaway" don't go together...
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– Michael Hall
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Two aircraft must either be flying in formation, or be far apart, to be safe. While the fighter is in the process of leaving the tanker, it is neither. It therefore moves away quickly using the standard breakaway manoeuvre. Bank really sharply? The video showed a positively leisurely turn in the circumstances.
Why to the right? It's standard to approach on the left side of the tanker. That's where other fighters waiting and approaching to refuel will be, so the left is a good side to avoid.
answered 2 days ago
Neil_UKNeil_UK
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Two aircraft must either be flying in formation, or be far apart, to be safe. While the fighter is in the process of leaving the tanker, it is neither. It therefore moves away quickly using the standard breakaway manoeuvre. Bank really sharply? The video showed a positively leisurely turn in the circumstances.
Why to the right? It's standard to approach on the left side of the tanker. That's where other fighters waiting and approaching to refuel will be, so the left is a good side to avoid.
answered 2 days ago
Neil_UKNeil_UK
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I agree it was leisurely, but "leisurely" and "breakaway" don't go together...
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I agree it was leisurely, but "leisurely" and "breakaway" don't go together...
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– Michael Hall
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I agree it was leisurely, but "leisurely" and "breakaway" don't go together...
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– Michael Hall
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I agree it was leisurely, but "leisurely" and "breakaway" don't go together...
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To gain as much seperation as quickly as possible.
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To gain as much seperation as quickly as possible.
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To gain as much seperation as quickly as possible.
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To gain as much seperation as quickly as possible.
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Rule Of Cool. Normally they do a barrel roll.
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– Harper
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I don't see "sharply" TBH
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– Mayou36
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@mayou36 it is subjective. What is 'sharply' for a landlubber layman might be a soft bank for an airborn flyer. Who knows? I don't. Unless math gets involved and we define the 'sharply' threshold, it is fine to use these terms IMHO
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The point is, there's nothing abnormal about what's happening here, which is what OP is suggesting.
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The premise of the question is wrong. That's not a "really sharp" bank. It's both shallow and slow; especially if you think in terms of a fighter jet. I would argue that the bank is not "sharp" even for a recreational aircraft.
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– Martin Argerami
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