Use of “though” versus “however”
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Consider the sentence
E-books are on the rise, but they haven't suppressed paper books though.
This usage seems to be quite common, but when I learned English I was taught to use "however" where I now read "though".
My questions on this use of "though" are:
Is this a new trend?
Is it restricted to American English?
Is "though" considered more colloquial than "however" ?
And on a syntactic level:
Do you put a comma before "though"?
word-choice usage
edited May 3 '13 at 7:10
Andrew Leach♦
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asked May 3 '13 at 7:04
Georges ElencwajgGeorges Elencwajg
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Consider the sentence
E-books are on the rise, but they haven't suppressed paper books though.
This usage seems to be quite common, but when I learned English I was taught to use "however" where I now read "though".
My questions on this use of "though" are:
Is this a new trend?
Is it restricted to American English?
Is "though" considered more colloquial than "however" ?
And on a syntactic level:
Do you put a comma before "though"?
word-choice usage
edited May 3 '13 at 7:10
Andrew Leach♦
80.1k8154258
asked May 3 '13 at 7:04
Georges ElencwajgGeorges Elencwajg
1,66341628
add a comment |
Consider the sentence
E-books are on the rise, but they haven't suppressed paper books though.
This usage seems to be quite common, but when I learned English I was taught to use "however" where I now read "though".
My questions on this use of "though" are:
Is this a new trend?
Is it restricted to American English?
Is "though" considered more colloquial than "however" ?
And on a syntactic level:
Do you put a comma before "though"?
word-choice usage
edited May 3 '13 at 7:10
Andrew Leach♦
80.1k8154258
asked May 3 '13 at 7:04
Georges ElencwajgGeorges Elencwajg
1,66341628
Consider the sentence
E-books are on the rise, but they haven't suppressed paper books though.
This usage seems to be quite common, but when I learned English I was taught to use "however" where I now read "though".
My questions on this use of "though" are:
Is this a new trend?
Is it restricted to American English?
Is "though" considered more colloquial than "however" ?
And on a syntactic level:
Do you put a comma before "though"?
word-choice usage
word-choice usage
edited May 3 '13 at 7:10
Andrew Leach♦
80.1k8154258
asked May 3 '13 at 7:04
Georges ElencwajgGeorges Elencwajg
1,66341628
edited May 3 '13 at 7:10
Andrew Leach♦
80.1k8154258
asked May 3 '13 at 7:04
Georges ElencwajgGeorges Elencwajg
1,66341628
edited May 3 '13 at 7:10
Andrew Leach♦
80.1k8154258
edited May 3 '13 at 7:10
Andrew Leach♦
80.1k8154258
edited May 3 '13 at 7:10
Andrew Leach♦
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asked May 3 '13 at 7:04
Georges ElencwajgGeorges Elencwajg
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asked May 3 '13 at 7:04
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You probably shouldn't use both but and though together like that, because you're saying the same thing twice; both words mark the clause as antithetical to what came before. So you should remove one or the other.
If you decide to use though, you need a comma before it.
I don't know whether it is new; it's just incorrect.
I don't think it is related to American English; I would simply interpret it as a typo, not as a conscious choice.
Both though and however are a bit informal at the end; though is better.
The position of however in formal prose is rather at the beginning of a sentence, or after the first constituent.
answered May 3 '13 at 14:22
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I thought it might be sensible to list the various acceptable alternatives:
E-books are on the rise, but they haven't yet totally eliminated the
demand for paper books.
(Al)though E-books are on the rise, they haven't yet totally
eliminated the demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise, (al)though they haven't yet totally
eliminated the demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise; they haven't yet totally eliminated the
demand for paper books, though.
E-books are on the rise; however, they haven't yet totally eliminated
the demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise; they haven't yet, however, totally eliminated the
demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise; they haven't yet totally eliminated the
demand for paper books, however.
answered May 3 '13 at 9:18
Edwin AshworthEdwin Ashworth
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Thanks for the list; it doesn't quite answer my question, though :-)
– Georges Elencwajg
May 3 '13 at 12:25
@GeorgesElencwajg: In answer to your question: No. There is not a new trend of substituting "though" for "however." Check out the Ngram at the following web page: books.google.com/ngrams/…
– rhetorician
May 3 '13 at 13:06
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The only reasonable answer to this question is that you must DELETE *though* because it doesn't belong there: it duplicates the function of but. However would be equally ungrammatical in the sentence:
E-books are on the rise, but they haven't suppressed paper books, however.
This sentence is grammatically incorrect.
It's not a new trend. EFL students have been doing it for eons. It's not just an American solecism. All native Anglophones have been infected by the Solecism iVirus ("i" for ignorance). It's endemic and epidemic wherever English speakers gather.
On a syntactic level:
Put a period before "though" and then erase "though".
Common = vulgar, crude, rude, inferior, low-grade, mean, poor, second-class, second-rate, shoddy.
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You probably shouldn't use both but and though together like that, because you're saying the same thing twice; both words mark the clause as antithetical to what came before. So you should remove one or the other.
If you decide to use though, you need a comma before it.
I don't know whether it is new; it's just incorrect.
I don't think it is related to American English; I would simply interpret it as a typo, not as a conscious choice.
Both though and however are a bit informal at the end; though is better.
The position of however in formal prose is rather at the beginning of a sentence, or after the first constituent.
answered May 3 '13 at 14:22
CerberusCerberus
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You probably shouldn't use both but and though together like that, because you're saying the same thing twice; both words mark the clause as antithetical to what came before. So you should remove one or the other.
If you decide to use though, you need a comma before it.
I don't know whether it is new; it's just incorrect.
I don't think it is related to American English; I would simply interpret it as a typo, not as a conscious choice.
Both though and however are a bit informal at the end; though is better.
The position of however in formal prose is rather at the beginning of a sentence, or after the first constituent.
answered May 3 '13 at 14:22
CerberusCerberus
54.3k2121208
add a comment |
You probably shouldn't use both but and though together like that, because you're saying the same thing twice; both words mark the clause as antithetical to what came before. So you should remove one or the other.
If you decide to use though, you need a comma before it.
I don't know whether it is new; it's just incorrect.
I don't think it is related to American English; I would simply interpret it as a typo, not as a conscious choice.
Both though and however are a bit informal at the end; though is better.
The position of however in formal prose is rather at the beginning of a sentence, or after the first constituent.
answered May 3 '13 at 14:22
CerberusCerberus
54.3k2121208
You probably shouldn't use both but and though together like that, because you're saying the same thing twice; both words mark the clause as antithetical to what came before. So you should remove one or the other.
If you decide to use though, you need a comma before it.
I don't know whether it is new; it's just incorrect.
I don't think it is related to American English; I would simply interpret it as a typo, not as a conscious choice.
Both though and however are a bit informal at the end; though is better.
The position of however in formal prose is rather at the beginning of a sentence, or after the first constituent.
answered May 3 '13 at 14:22
CerberusCerberus
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answered May 3 '13 at 14:22
CerberusCerberus
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answered May 3 '13 at 14:22
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I thought it might be sensible to list the various acceptable alternatives:
E-books are on the rise, but they haven't yet totally eliminated the
demand for paper books.
(Al)though E-books are on the rise, they haven't yet totally
eliminated the demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise, (al)though they haven't yet totally
eliminated the demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise; they haven't yet totally eliminated the
demand for paper books, though.
E-books are on the rise; however, they haven't yet totally eliminated
the demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise; they haven't yet, however, totally eliminated the
demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise; they haven't yet totally eliminated the
demand for paper books, however.
answered May 3 '13 at 9:18
Edwin AshworthEdwin Ashworth
49.2k1090156
Thanks for the list; it doesn't quite answer my question, though :-)
– Georges Elencwajg
May 3 '13 at 12:25
@GeorgesElencwajg: In answer to your question: No. There is not a new trend of substituting "though" for "however." Check out the Ngram at the following web page: books.google.com/ngrams/…
– rhetorician
May 3 '13 at 13:06
add a comment |
I thought it might be sensible to list the various acceptable alternatives:
E-books are on the rise, but they haven't yet totally eliminated the
demand for paper books.
(Al)though E-books are on the rise, they haven't yet totally
eliminated the demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise, (al)though they haven't yet totally
eliminated the demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise; they haven't yet totally eliminated the
demand for paper books, though.
E-books are on the rise; however, they haven't yet totally eliminated
the demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise; they haven't yet, however, totally eliminated the
demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise; they haven't yet totally eliminated the
demand for paper books, however.
answered May 3 '13 at 9:18
Edwin AshworthEdwin Ashworth
49.2k1090156
Thanks for the list; it doesn't quite answer my question, though :-)
– Georges Elencwajg
May 3 '13 at 12:25
@GeorgesElencwajg: In answer to your question: No. There is not a new trend of substituting "though" for "however." Check out the Ngram at the following web page: books.google.com/ngrams/…
– rhetorician
May 3 '13 at 13:06
add a comment |
I thought it might be sensible to list the various acceptable alternatives:
E-books are on the rise, but they haven't yet totally eliminated the
demand for paper books.
(Al)though E-books are on the rise, they haven't yet totally
eliminated the demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise, (al)though they haven't yet totally
eliminated the demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise; they haven't yet totally eliminated the
demand for paper books, though.
E-books are on the rise; however, they haven't yet totally eliminated
the demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise; they haven't yet, however, totally eliminated the
demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise; they haven't yet totally eliminated the
demand for paper books, however.
answered May 3 '13 at 9:18
Edwin AshworthEdwin Ashworth
49.2k1090156
I thought it might be sensible to list the various acceptable alternatives:
E-books are on the rise, but they haven't yet totally eliminated the
demand for paper books.
(Al)though E-books are on the rise, they haven't yet totally
eliminated the demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise, (al)though they haven't yet totally
eliminated the demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise; they haven't yet totally eliminated the
demand for paper books, though.
E-books are on the rise; however, they haven't yet totally eliminated
the demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise; they haven't yet, however, totally eliminated the
demand for paper books.
E-books are on the rise; they haven't yet totally eliminated the
demand for paper books, however.
answered May 3 '13 at 9:18
Edwin AshworthEdwin Ashworth
49.2k1090156
edited May 3 '13 at 9:24
answered May 3 '13 at 9:18
Edwin AshworthEdwin Ashworth
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answered May 3 '13 at 9:18
Edwin AshworthEdwin Ashworth
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answered May 3 '13 at 9:18
Edwin AshworthEdwin Ashworth
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Thanks for the list; it doesn't quite answer my question, though :-)
– Georges Elencwajg
May 3 '13 at 12:25
@GeorgesElencwajg: In answer to your question: No. There is not a new trend of substituting "though" for "however." Check out the Ngram at the following web page: books.google.com/ngrams/…
– rhetorician
May 3 '13 at 13:06
add a comment |
Thanks for the list; it doesn't quite answer my question, though :-)
– Georges Elencwajg
May 3 '13 at 12:25
@GeorgesElencwajg: In answer to your question: No. There is not a new trend of substituting "though" for "however." Check out the Ngram at the following web page: books.google.com/ngrams/…
– rhetorician
May 3 '13 at 13:06
Thanks for the list; it doesn't quite answer my question, though :-)
– Georges Elencwajg
May 3 '13 at 12:25
Thanks for the list; it doesn't quite answer my question, though :-)
– Georges Elencwajg
May 3 '13 at 12:25
@GeorgesElencwajg: In answer to your question: No. There is not a new trend of substituting "though" for "however." Check out the Ngram at the following web page: books.google.com/ngrams/…
– rhetorician
May 3 '13 at 13:06
@GeorgesElencwajg: In answer to your question: No. There is not a new trend of substituting "though" for "however." Check out the Ngram at the following web page: books.google.com/ngrams/…
– rhetorician
May 3 '13 at 13:06
add a comment |
The only reasonable answer to this question is that you must DELETE *though* because it doesn't belong there: it duplicates the function of but. However would be equally ungrammatical in the sentence:
E-books are on the rise, but they haven't suppressed paper books, however.
This sentence is grammatically incorrect.
It's not a new trend. EFL students have been doing it for eons. It's not just an American solecism. All native Anglophones have been infected by the Solecism iVirus ("i" for ignorance). It's endemic and epidemic wherever English speakers gather.
On a syntactic level:
Put a period before "though" and then erase "though".
Common = vulgar, crude, rude, inferior, low-grade, mean, poor, second-class, second-rate, shoddy.
add a comment |
The only reasonable answer to this question is that you must DELETE *though* because it doesn't belong there: it duplicates the function of but. However would be equally ungrammatical in the sentence:
E-books are on the rise, but they haven't suppressed paper books, however.
This sentence is grammatically incorrect.
It's not a new trend. EFL students have been doing it for eons. It's not just an American solecism. All native Anglophones have been infected by the Solecism iVirus ("i" for ignorance). It's endemic and epidemic wherever English speakers gather.
On a syntactic level:
Put a period before "though" and then erase "though".
Common = vulgar, crude, rude, inferior, low-grade, mean, poor, second-class, second-rate, shoddy.
add a comment |
The only reasonable answer to this question is that you must DELETE *though* because it doesn't belong there: it duplicates the function of but. However would be equally ungrammatical in the sentence:
E-books are on the rise, but they haven't suppressed paper books, however.
This sentence is grammatically incorrect.
It's not a new trend. EFL students have been doing it for eons. It's not just an American solecism. All native Anglophones have been infected by the Solecism iVirus ("i" for ignorance). It's endemic and epidemic wherever English speakers gather.
On a syntactic level:
Put a period before "though" and then erase "though".
Common = vulgar, crude, rude, inferior, low-grade, mean, poor, second-class, second-rate, shoddy.
The only reasonable answer to this question is that you must DELETE *though* because it doesn't belong there: it duplicates the function of but. However would be equally ungrammatical in the sentence:
E-books are on the rise, but they haven't suppressed paper books, however.
This sentence is grammatically incorrect.
It's not a new trend. EFL students have been doing it for eons. It's not just an American solecism. All native Anglophones have been infected by the Solecism iVirus ("i" for ignorance). It's endemic and epidemic wherever English speakers gather.
On a syntactic level:
Put a period before "though" and then erase "though".
Common = vulgar, crude, rude, inferior, low-grade, mean, poor, second-class, second-rate, shoddy.
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