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I love traveling, and have always traveled since I was a kid. Now that I have more freedom of movement, I'd like to take the chance to see the rest of the world. While living in Europe, it's easy and accessible to travel within the continent over long weekends or for short breaks, however I find the process of planning the trip very tedious and exhausting or even impossible(!) to the point that I end up going nowhere.



For instance I would like to go skiing, but I haven't skied much in the Alps. Last time (which was my first time skiing in the Alps), I was fairly lucky to have a friend's friend's friend to help me get to the mountains, etc. but that's not always the case and anyhow it takes so much time to research, read online, post questions, and eventually choose from the so many options. This time I tried narrowing down my options by asking a friend who's a ski instructor but I only got a couple of one-word answers and and in the end also I noticed the transport is quite impossible (well, possible at the cost of 600-1000 euros from the airport to the resort!). My usual process which I don't think is particularly efficient or useful is:




  1. Think and think and think about that upcoming long holiday that will happen some time in the future

  2. Getting closer to the date start stressing that I have to plan or it'll be too late

  3. Start looking at the options and panic about all those unfamiliar names and hundreds of options that I can choose

  4. Try and ask someone with some local knowledge where they'd also make a list of names (still many to choose from) without much info or say: "they're all good" or something like that

  5. Eventually while the panic monster is running after me, I force myself to sit down and choose and book a flight while taking the options of accommodation into consideration

  6. Once the flights are booked, including making the decisions on how many days to stays, I start planning the things I would like to do during the trip and the accommodation

  7. In this last instance (which I still would like to happen this coming weekend!), I was about to purchase the tickets when I realized that I need to figure out my transport from the airport to the resort as well, and then it became clear that I don't have many choices to use public transport, and I also don't have any choice over the flight times as they happen only on certain hours to certain destination

  8. Call it a failure at making the plans and start over from step 1!


I've got to the point that I believe my assessment/understanding of how long things can take or how I can/should plan things do not comply with the realtime world. To get away for 3-4 days, it seems like I have to spend a similar amount of time to research and plan. Of course this would have been a lot easier if I were traveling in groups, but that's not much of an option at the moment, so I have to plan and do everything on my own.



So, what is the average/usual thought process of someone who wants to plan a trip? What is the average time one would/should spend on planning a trip and any other tips to make this process more efficient that you would suggest? I would also like to know how you initially pick a destination and a period of time in the future to plan things far ahead? (there's probably an element of fear of uncertainties and commitment that probably becomes bolder by age!)










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  • This question is too broad, I would say. There is no one right way to plan travel any more than there is one right way to look for a house or save for retirement. It sounds like the best thing you might do for yourself is to learn not to worry about making every trip the best possible trip ever. It never will be. If your expert friends say all the ski resorts are pretty good, that is valuable advice—it means don't waste time stressing out trying to find the one that scores 100 when the worst you can do is 95. It's not a matter of planning better, it's a matter of being flexible and resilient.

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  • You spent too much time on steps 1-5, not leaving enough time for steps 6 and 7. You don't need the best hotel, ski resort, etc., you just need an acceptably good one...aka "satisficing". If you can get to step 6 much earlier, then you will find out about any problems (no transportation) and resolve them in time.

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  • @user3067860 in fact I don’t look for the best ones, I’m easy on accommodation and I’m only intermediate, so as long as there’s snow and some intermediate slopes, I’d be happy, but how do I pick and choose one out of thousands?!

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    yesterday






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    @Neeku -- Satisficing. You pick the first acceptable one that you find (coming up with some criteria for acceptable, such as price range, reviews, location, etc.)...or come up with some other similar algorithm. I read of someone who always filtered Amazon products to show only four star or higher, and then picked the second cheapest that fit their needs.

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I love traveling, and have always traveled since I was a kid. Now that I have more freedom of movement, I'd like to take the chance to see the rest of the world. While living in Europe, it's easy and accessible to travel within the continent over long weekends or for short breaks, however I find the process of planning the trip very tedious and exhausting or even impossible(!) to the point that I end up going nowhere.



For instance I would like to go skiing, but I haven't skied much in the Alps. Last time (which was my first time skiing in the Alps), I was fairly lucky to have a friend's friend's friend to help me get to the mountains, etc. but that's not always the case and anyhow it takes so much time to research, read online, post questions, and eventually choose from the so many options. This time I tried narrowing down my options by asking a friend who's a ski instructor but I only got a couple of one-word answers and and in the end also I noticed the transport is quite impossible (well, possible at the cost of 600-1000 euros from the airport to the resort!). My usual process which I don't think is particularly efficient or useful is:




  1. Think and think and think about that upcoming long holiday that will happen some time in the future

  2. Getting closer to the date start stressing that I have to plan or it'll be too late

  3. Start looking at the options and panic about all those unfamiliar names and hundreds of options that I can choose

  4. Try and ask someone with some local knowledge where they'd also make a list of names (still many to choose from) without much info or say: "they're all good" or something like that

  5. Eventually while the panic monster is running after me, I force myself to sit down and choose and book a flight while taking the options of accommodation into consideration

  6. Once the flights are booked, including making the decisions on how many days to stays, I start planning the things I would like to do during the trip and the accommodation

  7. In this last instance (which I still would like to happen this coming weekend!), I was about to purchase the tickets when I realized that I need to figure out my transport from the airport to the resort as well, and then it became clear that I don't have many choices to use public transport, and I also don't have any choice over the flight times as they happen only on certain hours to certain destination

  8. Call it a failure at making the plans and start over from step 1!


I've got to the point that I believe my assessment/understanding of how long things can take or how I can/should plan things do not comply with the realtime world. To get away for 3-4 days, it seems like I have to spend a similar amount of time to research and plan. Of course this would have been a lot easier if I were traveling in groups, but that's not much of an option at the moment, so I have to plan and do everything on my own.



So, what is the average/usual thought process of someone who wants to plan a trip? What is the average time one would/should spend on planning a trip and any other tips to make this process more efficient that you would suggest? I would also like to know how you initially pick a destination and a period of time in the future to plan things far ahead? (there's probably an element of fear of uncertainties and commitment that probably becomes bolder by age!)










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  • This question is too broad, I would say. There is no one right way to plan travel any more than there is one right way to look for a house or save for retirement. It sounds like the best thing you might do for yourself is to learn not to worry about making every trip the best possible trip ever. It never will be. If your expert friends say all the ski resorts are pretty good, that is valuable advice—it means don't waste time stressing out trying to find the one that scores 100 when the worst you can do is 95. It's not a matter of planning better, it's a matter of being flexible and resilient.

    – choster
    yesterday











  • You spent too much time on steps 1-5, not leaving enough time for steps 6 and 7. You don't need the best hotel, ski resort, etc., you just need an acceptably good one...aka "satisficing". If you can get to step 6 much earlier, then you will find out about any problems (no transportation) and resolve them in time.

    – user3067860
    yesterday











  • @user3067860 in fact I don’t look for the best ones, I’m easy on accommodation and I’m only intermediate, so as long as there’s snow and some intermediate slopes, I’d be happy, but how do I pick and choose one out of thousands?!

    – Neeku
    yesterday






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    @Neeku -- Satisficing. You pick the first acceptable one that you find (coming up with some criteria for acceptable, such as price range, reviews, location, etc.)...or come up with some other similar algorithm. I read of someone who always filtered Amazon products to show only four star or higher, and then picked the second cheapest that fit their needs.

    – user3067860
    yesterday














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I love traveling, and have always traveled since I was a kid. Now that I have more freedom of movement, I'd like to take the chance to see the rest of the world. While living in Europe, it's easy and accessible to travel within the continent over long weekends or for short breaks, however I find the process of planning the trip very tedious and exhausting or even impossible(!) to the point that I end up going nowhere.



For instance I would like to go skiing, but I haven't skied much in the Alps. Last time (which was my first time skiing in the Alps), I was fairly lucky to have a friend's friend's friend to help me get to the mountains, etc. but that's not always the case and anyhow it takes so much time to research, read online, post questions, and eventually choose from the so many options. This time I tried narrowing down my options by asking a friend who's a ski instructor but I only got a couple of one-word answers and and in the end also I noticed the transport is quite impossible (well, possible at the cost of 600-1000 euros from the airport to the resort!). My usual process which I don't think is particularly efficient or useful is:




  1. Think and think and think about that upcoming long holiday that will happen some time in the future

  2. Getting closer to the date start stressing that I have to plan or it'll be too late

  3. Start looking at the options and panic about all those unfamiliar names and hundreds of options that I can choose

  4. Try and ask someone with some local knowledge where they'd also make a list of names (still many to choose from) without much info or say: "they're all good" or something like that

  5. Eventually while the panic monster is running after me, I force myself to sit down and choose and book a flight while taking the options of accommodation into consideration

  6. Once the flights are booked, including making the decisions on how many days to stays, I start planning the things I would like to do during the trip and the accommodation

  7. In this last instance (which I still would like to happen this coming weekend!), I was about to purchase the tickets when I realized that I need to figure out my transport from the airport to the resort as well, and then it became clear that I don't have many choices to use public transport, and I also don't have any choice over the flight times as they happen only on certain hours to certain destination

  8. Call it a failure at making the plans and start over from step 1!


I've got to the point that I believe my assessment/understanding of how long things can take or how I can/should plan things do not comply with the realtime world. To get away for 3-4 days, it seems like I have to spend a similar amount of time to research and plan. Of course this would have been a lot easier if I were traveling in groups, but that's not much of an option at the moment, so I have to plan and do everything on my own.



So, what is the average/usual thought process of someone who wants to plan a trip? What is the average time one would/should spend on planning a trip and any other tips to make this process more efficient that you would suggest? I would also like to know how you initially pick a destination and a period of time in the future to plan things far ahead? (there's probably an element of fear of uncertainties and commitment that probably becomes bolder by age!)










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I love traveling, and have always traveled since I was a kid. Now that I have more freedom of movement, I'd like to take the chance to see the rest of the world. While living in Europe, it's easy and accessible to travel within the continent over long weekends or for short breaks, however I find the process of planning the trip very tedious and exhausting or even impossible(!) to the point that I end up going nowhere.



For instance I would like to go skiing, but I haven't skied much in the Alps. Last time (which was my first time skiing in the Alps), I was fairly lucky to have a friend's friend's friend to help me get to the mountains, etc. but that's not always the case and anyhow it takes so much time to research, read online, post questions, and eventually choose from the so many options. This time I tried narrowing down my options by asking a friend who's a ski instructor but I only got a couple of one-word answers and and in the end also I noticed the transport is quite impossible (well, possible at the cost of 600-1000 euros from the airport to the resort!). My usual process which I don't think is particularly efficient or useful is:




  1. Think and think and think about that upcoming long holiday that will happen some time in the future

  2. Getting closer to the date start stressing that I have to plan or it'll be too late

  3. Start looking at the options and panic about all those unfamiliar names and hundreds of options that I can choose

  4. Try and ask someone with some local knowledge where they'd also make a list of names (still many to choose from) without much info or say: "they're all good" or something like that

  5. Eventually while the panic monster is running after me, I force myself to sit down and choose and book a flight while taking the options of accommodation into consideration

  6. Once the flights are booked, including making the decisions on how many days to stays, I start planning the things I would like to do during the trip and the accommodation

  7. In this last instance (which I still would like to happen this coming weekend!), I was about to purchase the tickets when I realized that I need to figure out my transport from the airport to the resort as well, and then it became clear that I don't have many choices to use public transport, and I also don't have any choice over the flight times as they happen only on certain hours to certain destination

  8. Call it a failure at making the plans and start over from step 1!


I've got to the point that I believe my assessment/understanding of how long things can take or how I can/should plan things do not comply with the realtime world. To get away for 3-4 days, it seems like I have to spend a similar amount of time to research and plan. Of course this would have been a lot easier if I were traveling in groups, but that's not much of an option at the moment, so I have to plan and do everything on my own.



So, what is the average/usual thought process of someone who wants to plan a trip? What is the average time one would/should spend on planning a trip and any other tips to make this process more efficient that you would suggest? I would also like to know how you initially pick a destination and a period of time in the future to plan things far ahead? (there's probably an element of fear of uncertainties and commitment that probably becomes bolder by age!)







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    I voted to close the question as primarily opinion-based.

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  • This question is too broad, I would say. There is no one right way to plan travel any more than there is one right way to look for a house or save for retirement. It sounds like the best thing you might do for yourself is to learn not to worry about making every trip the best possible trip ever. It never will be. If your expert friends say all the ski resorts are pretty good, that is valuable advice—it means don't waste time stressing out trying to find the one that scores 100 when the worst you can do is 95. It's not a matter of planning better, it's a matter of being flexible and resilient.

    – choster
    yesterday











  • You spent too much time on steps 1-5, not leaving enough time for steps 6 and 7. You don't need the best hotel, ski resort, etc., you just need an acceptably good one...aka "satisficing". If you can get to step 6 much earlier, then you will find out about any problems (no transportation) and resolve them in time.

    – user3067860
    yesterday











  • @user3067860 in fact I don’t look for the best ones, I’m easy on accommodation and I’m only intermediate, so as long as there’s snow and some intermediate slopes, I’d be happy, but how do I pick and choose one out of thousands?!

    – Neeku
    yesterday






  • 1





    @Neeku -- Satisficing. You pick the first acceptable one that you find (coming up with some criteria for acceptable, such as price range, reviews, location, etc.)...or come up with some other similar algorithm. I read of someone who always filtered Amazon products to show only four star or higher, and then picked the second cheapest that fit their needs.

    – user3067860
    yesterday














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    I voted to close the question as primarily opinion-based.

    – Dirty-flow
    yesterday











  • This question is too broad, I would say. There is no one right way to plan travel any more than there is one right way to look for a house or save for retirement. It sounds like the best thing you might do for yourself is to learn not to worry about making every trip the best possible trip ever. It never will be. If your expert friends say all the ski resorts are pretty good, that is valuable advice—it means don't waste time stressing out trying to find the one that scores 100 when the worst you can do is 95. It's not a matter of planning better, it's a matter of being flexible and resilient.

    – choster
    yesterday











  • You spent too much time on steps 1-5, not leaving enough time for steps 6 and 7. You don't need the best hotel, ski resort, etc., you just need an acceptably good one...aka "satisficing". If you can get to step 6 much earlier, then you will find out about any problems (no transportation) and resolve them in time.

    – user3067860
    yesterday











  • @user3067860 in fact I don’t look for the best ones, I’m easy on accommodation and I’m only intermediate, so as long as there’s snow and some intermediate slopes, I’d be happy, but how do I pick and choose one out of thousands?!

    – Neeku
    yesterday






  • 1





    @Neeku -- Satisficing. You pick the first acceptable one that you find (coming up with some criteria for acceptable, such as price range, reviews, location, etc.)...or come up with some other similar algorithm. I read of someone who always filtered Amazon products to show only four star or higher, and then picked the second cheapest that fit their needs.

    – user3067860
    yesterday








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I voted to close the question as primarily opinion-based.

– Dirty-flow
yesterday





I voted to close the question as primarily opinion-based.

– Dirty-flow
yesterday













This question is too broad, I would say. There is no one right way to plan travel any more than there is one right way to look for a house or save for retirement. It sounds like the best thing you might do for yourself is to learn not to worry about making every trip the best possible trip ever. It never will be. If your expert friends say all the ski resorts are pretty good, that is valuable advice—it means don't waste time stressing out trying to find the one that scores 100 when the worst you can do is 95. It's not a matter of planning better, it's a matter of being flexible and resilient.

– choster
yesterday





This question is too broad, I would say. There is no one right way to plan travel any more than there is one right way to look for a house or save for retirement. It sounds like the best thing you might do for yourself is to learn not to worry about making every trip the best possible trip ever. It never will be. If your expert friends say all the ski resorts are pretty good, that is valuable advice—it means don't waste time stressing out trying to find the one that scores 100 when the worst you can do is 95. It's not a matter of planning better, it's a matter of being flexible and resilient.

– choster
yesterday













You spent too much time on steps 1-5, not leaving enough time for steps 6 and 7. You don't need the best hotel, ski resort, etc., you just need an acceptably good one...aka "satisficing". If you can get to step 6 much earlier, then you will find out about any problems (no transportation) and resolve them in time.

– user3067860
yesterday





You spent too much time on steps 1-5, not leaving enough time for steps 6 and 7. You don't need the best hotel, ski resort, etc., you just need an acceptably good one...aka "satisficing". If you can get to step 6 much earlier, then you will find out about any problems (no transportation) and resolve them in time.

– user3067860
yesterday













@user3067860 in fact I don’t look for the best ones, I’m easy on accommodation and I’m only intermediate, so as long as there’s snow and some intermediate slopes, I’d be happy, but how do I pick and choose one out of thousands?!

– Neeku
yesterday





@user3067860 in fact I don’t look for the best ones, I’m easy on accommodation and I’m only intermediate, so as long as there’s snow and some intermediate slopes, I’d be happy, but how do I pick and choose one out of thousands?!

– Neeku
yesterday




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@Neeku -- Satisficing. You pick the first acceptable one that you find (coming up with some criteria for acceptable, such as price range, reviews, location, etc.)...or come up with some other similar algorithm. I read of someone who always filtered Amazon products to show only four star or higher, and then picked the second cheapest that fit their needs.

– user3067860
yesterday





@Neeku -- Satisficing. You pick the first acceptable one that you find (coming up with some criteria for acceptable, such as price range, reviews, location, etc.)...or come up with some other similar algorithm. I read of someone who always filtered Amazon products to show only four star or higher, and then picked the second cheapest that fit their needs.

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This is awfully broad, but I will suggest you try a different way of thinking. Instead of "I want to ski the week of Jan 15th" followed by "oh god I have not planned my ski trip" and increasing panic panic panic until you get to "too late", try the exact opposite.



List some things you like to do. Investigate some of them in more detail. Don't ask people to recommend places or locations: just as here, it's too opinion-based. Instead, think about what you value: cheap transport from the airport, great views, food, the quality of ski-ing, how crowded it is at a particular time of year, and so on. Research these specific things. Ask friends these specific things. Heck, ask here. Not "what is the best X in Y?" but "is X crowded in January?" "What does it cost to get to X from the airport?" and so on.



Plans will start to evolve. You will start to feel that one particular place is calling you. For the ski-ing, the food, the scenic train ride, whatever. Now you can start to put a date to your plan to that place. Not before this point. Now you can look at prices and figure out how to book and how to make it happen. You know how many days that place requires. You know your options for getting there. You know the costs of hotels and admission to things. Half the work is done, perhaps more. There's no need to panic.



If you get to that point and it's just a few weeks till your allotted vacation time, then this vacation won't be that trip. This vacation will be something simpler and easier, perhaps something you've done before. Next vacation will be that trip that calls you. There is always a next vacation, after all.



I frequently spend a year planning a trip. One 26-leg 11-island trip took two years to plan. I loved every minute of it. Dreaming of the volcano, the beaches, the hikes, the museums. Building a list of the things we would see and do. The reality was even better, but the dreaming was a great part of it. If you stop seeing that dreaming and planning stage as painful, but instead see it as part of the joy of the trip, you will do a better job of planning and enjoy both the planning and the trip far more.






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    To each his own, meaning there is no 'average'.



    But, you are unnecessarily stressed about the prospect of having to plan a trip. You, broadly, have three options:




    1. Don't plan. Just go, now, and figure things out as they happen.

    2. Plan the basics (like, your flight and hotel).

    3. Plan everything.


    The more you plan, the more cost-effective, efficient and stress-free your trip will be. The less you plan, the more adventurous your trip might be.



    You have to find a balance that works for you.



    For me, I tend to plan/book expensive and/or infrequent travels (flight/train/bus) as well as accommodation. This tends to mean huge savings over booking late or on-the-spot. And, then, to read up on what I can do at my destinations, and decide later.






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      As Kate has pointed out in her answer - 'Anticipating something gives almost as much happiness as the real thing'.



      But I do understand your anxiety and apprehensions. I have been on many trips with friends/family and also alone. I have been on trips organized by tour-operators/guides but most of the time they are completely self-organized.



      At this point I can say I am fairly confident of my ability to plan a vacation from scratch and also deal with any unexpected happenings along the way.



      But even now, I take a lot of time to plan and research the places I am going to. I find that the shorter time I spend on the vacation, the more planning I need to do to avoid wasting the precious little time I have. I work full-time, so I mostly take not more than 3 days off for a trip and I don't want to spend 4 hours waiting for a bus or train due to inefficient planning.



      There are many ways to plan a trip depending on your preferences and planning style. One I choose is as follows:





      1. Choose a place - it could be a city or a region.



        Eg: Prague, Western Italy, Southern India, Liechtenstein+Innsbruck, Poland etc..




      2. Get a broad idea of what that place has to offer and what catches your fancy.



        Eg: I wanted to visit Poland. I knew I definitely wanted to visit Warsaw and also one other city in Poland - The most suggested ones in the internet were Gdansk, Wroclaw or Krakow




      3. Narrow down the options based on your travel options and interests.



        Eg: There was good train connectivity from Warsaw to all the 3 cities mentioned before. So I had to decide if I wanted to visit the sea in Gdansk, watch the wonderful old architecture in Wroclaw or Krakow.
        I had 4 days, I thought, instead of spending all my time in the cities, I must go out into nature for a day and try out my new hiking shoes. On further investigation, I found that Krakow was close to Zakopane which was a base for some cool hikes in the Tatras mountains and I could also stand on the Polish-Slovenian border on top of the mountain.
        So Krakow is the choice I made- my plan was coming into a vague shape after all.




      4. After deciding on the destinations and activities, you can decide on the amount of time you would spend at each place and this would in-turn give you an idea of what travel and accommodation choices to book.



        Eg: I booked a flight to Warsaw, a train from Warsaw to Krakow and a return flight from Krakow. One night in Warsaw, one in Kraow and one in Zakopane. There was a bus from Krakow to Zakopane, so I did not book it so that that part of the journey would be flexible.



      5. Once the major portion of the trip as been planned and booked (Travel, accommodation and activities (tickets for tours, amusement parks, ski-resorts etc)), rest of the minor details can be planned at your leisure.



      Of course, I did not do all this at a stretch in a single day, it took some time. But that was a fun thing too - I was spending my free time exploring about Polish history and rural Poland rather than watching cat videos on facebook.



      One thing you must remember as a well-traveled and travel-loving soul is that, no matter which place or activities you choose, in the end you are always going to be glad you took the trip rather than not taking it :) Keep travelling and let not planning take the fun out of it!






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        This strategy works better when you have plenty of time: don't plan - just make it up as you go along.



        Many years ago, I took a gap year after university. I decided to see how far from home (UK) I could get without using a plane. I bought a train ticket from London to Istanbul. This was a cheap ticket with no reserved seats but I could get off and on as I wished. I chose to get out in Paris, Venice, and Belgrade before arriving in Istanbul. I then found a cheap backpackers hotel and explored locally for a bit. I had no plans of what to do next. While there, I researched a little and found a boat to Samsum far east in Turkey. Again, I did not yet have a plan of the next step. My only advance planning was to get a visa for Iran since it was fairly obvious that I would need it. Eventually, I got to Malaysia without a plane.



        It can work on a shorter trip. More recently but still quite long ago, I took some visiting friends from the UK to France for a few days. I bought a ticket for my car through the tunnel to France. While in the tunnel, I said: "where shall we go? We can turn right when we get out and head to Mont St Michel in France (an example of a nice place that I knew that we could get to in a reasonable time) or we can turn left and go to Brussels and maybe Amsterdam afterwards.



        I could give more examples but it is a strategy that I like - just set off and make it up as you go along.



        Additional: if you have access to the BBC then look for this programme: Race across the World. It is rather similar to my trip long ago (except that no film crew followed me). It gives a fairly good idea of how to make it up as you go along. It has caused me to daydream of another trip.






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        • Wow! I enjoyed reading this. It's always fascinated me to read stories of people like this. When we went on road trips with my family, we'd do similar. The destination would usually be picked and then hit the road, go and stop wherever you get to stay over night, see some stuff and continue the next day till we got to the final destination! I think it's the peer/society pressure that I get here that somehow stresses me a bit. I need to work on that. Did you eventually get to Iran?

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        • Through Iran, Pakistan, India, (with a side trip to Sri Lanka), to Malaysia. I then cheated and flew to Australia (my brother lived there at the time), later back to Malaysia, side trip to Indonesia, up through Thailand, Burma, and Bangladesh. Finally a cheap flight back to Amsterdam where I was detained but that is another story. I see that you are in Ireland, I only got my Iranian visa thanks to my Irish passport.

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        • I am indeed, and I can only travel with less hassle within EU thanks to my Iranian passport--NOT, but the Irish one! Nowadays you can get a visa on arrival to Iran with your Irish passport.

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        • So, you are dual Iranian / Irish? More exotic than my dual UK / Irish. My story is old and I don't know the situation now. At the time (1982), Brist were not welcome but the Irish were. I saw Tehran, Isfahan, and Zahedan.

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        • I am indeed! How come did you miss Tabriz entering from Turkey? Shame! ;) That's still valid about IE vs. UK, and old stories are gold!

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        This is awfully broad, but I will suggest you try a different way of thinking. Instead of "I want to ski the week of Jan 15th" followed by "oh god I have not planned my ski trip" and increasing panic panic panic until you get to "too late", try the exact opposite.



        List some things you like to do. Investigate some of them in more detail. Don't ask people to recommend places or locations: just as here, it's too opinion-based. Instead, think about what you value: cheap transport from the airport, great views, food, the quality of ski-ing, how crowded it is at a particular time of year, and so on. Research these specific things. Ask friends these specific things. Heck, ask here. Not "what is the best X in Y?" but "is X crowded in January?" "What does it cost to get to X from the airport?" and so on.



        Plans will start to evolve. You will start to feel that one particular place is calling you. For the ski-ing, the food, the scenic train ride, whatever. Now you can start to put a date to your plan to that place. Not before this point. Now you can look at prices and figure out how to book and how to make it happen. You know how many days that place requires. You know your options for getting there. You know the costs of hotels and admission to things. Half the work is done, perhaps more. There's no need to panic.



        If you get to that point and it's just a few weeks till your allotted vacation time, then this vacation won't be that trip. This vacation will be something simpler and easier, perhaps something you've done before. Next vacation will be that trip that calls you. There is always a next vacation, after all.



        I frequently spend a year planning a trip. One 26-leg 11-island trip took two years to plan. I loved every minute of it. Dreaming of the volcano, the beaches, the hikes, the museums. Building a list of the things we would see and do. The reality was even better, but the dreaming was a great part of it. If you stop seeing that dreaming and planning stage as painful, but instead see it as part of the joy of the trip, you will do a better job of planning and enjoy both the planning and the trip far more.






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          This is awfully broad, but I will suggest you try a different way of thinking. Instead of "I want to ski the week of Jan 15th" followed by "oh god I have not planned my ski trip" and increasing panic panic panic until you get to "too late", try the exact opposite.



          List some things you like to do. Investigate some of them in more detail. Don't ask people to recommend places or locations: just as here, it's too opinion-based. Instead, think about what you value: cheap transport from the airport, great views, food, the quality of ski-ing, how crowded it is at a particular time of year, and so on. Research these specific things. Ask friends these specific things. Heck, ask here. Not "what is the best X in Y?" but "is X crowded in January?" "What does it cost to get to X from the airport?" and so on.



          Plans will start to evolve. You will start to feel that one particular place is calling you. For the ski-ing, the food, the scenic train ride, whatever. Now you can start to put a date to your plan to that place. Not before this point. Now you can look at prices and figure out how to book and how to make it happen. You know how many days that place requires. You know your options for getting there. You know the costs of hotels and admission to things. Half the work is done, perhaps more. There's no need to panic.



          If you get to that point and it's just a few weeks till your allotted vacation time, then this vacation won't be that trip. This vacation will be something simpler and easier, perhaps something you've done before. Next vacation will be that trip that calls you. There is always a next vacation, after all.



          I frequently spend a year planning a trip. One 26-leg 11-island trip took two years to plan. I loved every minute of it. Dreaming of the volcano, the beaches, the hikes, the museums. Building a list of the things we would see and do. The reality was even better, but the dreaming was a great part of it. If you stop seeing that dreaming and planning stage as painful, but instead see it as part of the joy of the trip, you will do a better job of planning and enjoy both the planning and the trip far more.






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            This is awfully broad, but I will suggest you try a different way of thinking. Instead of "I want to ski the week of Jan 15th" followed by "oh god I have not planned my ski trip" and increasing panic panic panic until you get to "too late", try the exact opposite.



            List some things you like to do. Investigate some of them in more detail. Don't ask people to recommend places or locations: just as here, it's too opinion-based. Instead, think about what you value: cheap transport from the airport, great views, food, the quality of ski-ing, how crowded it is at a particular time of year, and so on. Research these specific things. Ask friends these specific things. Heck, ask here. Not "what is the best X in Y?" but "is X crowded in January?" "What does it cost to get to X from the airport?" and so on.



            Plans will start to evolve. You will start to feel that one particular place is calling you. For the ski-ing, the food, the scenic train ride, whatever. Now you can start to put a date to your plan to that place. Not before this point. Now you can look at prices and figure out how to book and how to make it happen. You know how many days that place requires. You know your options for getting there. You know the costs of hotels and admission to things. Half the work is done, perhaps more. There's no need to panic.



            If you get to that point and it's just a few weeks till your allotted vacation time, then this vacation won't be that trip. This vacation will be something simpler and easier, perhaps something you've done before. Next vacation will be that trip that calls you. There is always a next vacation, after all.



            I frequently spend a year planning a trip. One 26-leg 11-island trip took two years to plan. I loved every minute of it. Dreaming of the volcano, the beaches, the hikes, the museums. Building a list of the things we would see and do. The reality was even better, but the dreaming was a great part of it. If you stop seeing that dreaming and planning stage as painful, but instead see it as part of the joy of the trip, you will do a better job of planning and enjoy both the planning and the trip far more.






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            This is awfully broad, but I will suggest you try a different way of thinking. Instead of "I want to ski the week of Jan 15th" followed by "oh god I have not planned my ski trip" and increasing panic panic panic until you get to "too late", try the exact opposite.



            List some things you like to do. Investigate some of them in more detail. Don't ask people to recommend places or locations: just as here, it's too opinion-based. Instead, think about what you value: cheap transport from the airport, great views, food, the quality of ski-ing, how crowded it is at a particular time of year, and so on. Research these specific things. Ask friends these specific things. Heck, ask here. Not "what is the best X in Y?" but "is X crowded in January?" "What does it cost to get to X from the airport?" and so on.



            Plans will start to evolve. You will start to feel that one particular place is calling you. For the ski-ing, the food, the scenic train ride, whatever. Now you can start to put a date to your plan to that place. Not before this point. Now you can look at prices and figure out how to book and how to make it happen. You know how many days that place requires. You know your options for getting there. You know the costs of hotels and admission to things. Half the work is done, perhaps more. There's no need to panic.



            If you get to that point and it's just a few weeks till your allotted vacation time, then this vacation won't be that trip. This vacation will be something simpler and easier, perhaps something you've done before. Next vacation will be that trip that calls you. There is always a next vacation, after all.



            I frequently spend a year planning a trip. One 26-leg 11-island trip took two years to plan. I loved every minute of it. Dreaming of the volcano, the beaches, the hikes, the museums. Building a list of the things we would see and do. The reality was even better, but the dreaming was a great part of it. If you stop seeing that dreaming and planning stage as painful, but instead see it as part of the joy of the trip, you will do a better job of planning and enjoy both the planning and the trip far more.







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                To each his own, meaning there is no 'average'.



                But, you are unnecessarily stressed about the prospect of having to plan a trip. You, broadly, have three options:




                1. Don't plan. Just go, now, and figure things out as they happen.

                2. Plan the basics (like, your flight and hotel).

                3. Plan everything.


                The more you plan, the more cost-effective, efficient and stress-free your trip will be. The less you plan, the more adventurous your trip might be.



                You have to find a balance that works for you.



                For me, I tend to plan/book expensive and/or infrequent travels (flight/train/bus) as well as accommodation. This tends to mean huge savings over booking late or on-the-spot. And, then, to read up on what I can do at my destinations, and decide later.






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                  To each his own, meaning there is no 'average'.



                  But, you are unnecessarily stressed about the prospect of having to plan a trip. You, broadly, have three options:




                  1. Don't plan. Just go, now, and figure things out as they happen.

                  2. Plan the basics (like, your flight and hotel).

                  3. Plan everything.


                  The more you plan, the more cost-effective, efficient and stress-free your trip will be. The less you plan, the more adventurous your trip might be.



                  You have to find a balance that works for you.



                  For me, I tend to plan/book expensive and/or infrequent travels (flight/train/bus) as well as accommodation. This tends to mean huge savings over booking late or on-the-spot. And, then, to read up on what I can do at my destinations, and decide later.






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                    To each his own, meaning there is no 'average'.



                    But, you are unnecessarily stressed about the prospect of having to plan a trip. You, broadly, have three options:




                    1. Don't plan. Just go, now, and figure things out as they happen.

                    2. Plan the basics (like, your flight and hotel).

                    3. Plan everything.


                    The more you plan, the more cost-effective, efficient and stress-free your trip will be. The less you plan, the more adventurous your trip might be.



                    You have to find a balance that works for you.



                    For me, I tend to plan/book expensive and/or infrequent travels (flight/train/bus) as well as accommodation. This tends to mean huge savings over booking late or on-the-spot. And, then, to read up on what I can do at my destinations, and decide later.






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                    To each his own, meaning there is no 'average'.



                    But, you are unnecessarily stressed about the prospect of having to plan a trip. You, broadly, have three options:




                    1. Don't plan. Just go, now, and figure things out as they happen.

                    2. Plan the basics (like, your flight and hotel).

                    3. Plan everything.


                    The more you plan, the more cost-effective, efficient and stress-free your trip will be. The less you plan, the more adventurous your trip might be.



                    You have to find a balance that works for you.



                    For me, I tend to plan/book expensive and/or infrequent travels (flight/train/bus) as well as accommodation. This tends to mean huge savings over booking late or on-the-spot. And, then, to read up on what I can do at my destinations, and decide later.







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                        As Kate has pointed out in her answer - 'Anticipating something gives almost as much happiness as the real thing'.



                        But I do understand your anxiety and apprehensions. I have been on many trips with friends/family and also alone. I have been on trips organized by tour-operators/guides but most of the time they are completely self-organized.



                        At this point I can say I am fairly confident of my ability to plan a vacation from scratch and also deal with any unexpected happenings along the way.



                        But even now, I take a lot of time to plan and research the places I am going to. I find that the shorter time I spend on the vacation, the more planning I need to do to avoid wasting the precious little time I have. I work full-time, so I mostly take not more than 3 days off for a trip and I don't want to spend 4 hours waiting for a bus or train due to inefficient planning.



                        There are many ways to plan a trip depending on your preferences and planning style. One I choose is as follows:





                        1. Choose a place - it could be a city or a region.



                          Eg: Prague, Western Italy, Southern India, Liechtenstein+Innsbruck, Poland etc..




                        2. Get a broad idea of what that place has to offer and what catches your fancy.



                          Eg: I wanted to visit Poland. I knew I definitely wanted to visit Warsaw and also one other city in Poland - The most suggested ones in the internet were Gdansk, Wroclaw or Krakow




                        3. Narrow down the options based on your travel options and interests.



                          Eg: There was good train connectivity from Warsaw to all the 3 cities mentioned before. So I had to decide if I wanted to visit the sea in Gdansk, watch the wonderful old architecture in Wroclaw or Krakow.
                          I had 4 days, I thought, instead of spending all my time in the cities, I must go out into nature for a day and try out my new hiking shoes. On further investigation, I found that Krakow was close to Zakopane which was a base for some cool hikes in the Tatras mountains and I could also stand on the Polish-Slovenian border on top of the mountain.
                          So Krakow is the choice I made- my plan was coming into a vague shape after all.




                        4. After deciding on the destinations and activities, you can decide on the amount of time you would spend at each place and this would in-turn give you an idea of what travel and accommodation choices to book.



                          Eg: I booked a flight to Warsaw, a train from Warsaw to Krakow and a return flight from Krakow. One night in Warsaw, one in Kraow and one in Zakopane. There was a bus from Krakow to Zakopane, so I did not book it so that that part of the journey would be flexible.



                        5. Once the major portion of the trip as been planned and booked (Travel, accommodation and activities (tickets for tours, amusement parks, ski-resorts etc)), rest of the minor details can be planned at your leisure.



                        Of course, I did not do all this at a stretch in a single day, it took some time. But that was a fun thing too - I was spending my free time exploring about Polish history and rural Poland rather than watching cat videos on facebook.



                        One thing you must remember as a well-traveled and travel-loving soul is that, no matter which place or activities you choose, in the end you are always going to be glad you took the trip rather than not taking it :) Keep travelling and let not planning take the fun out of it!






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                          As Kate has pointed out in her answer - 'Anticipating something gives almost as much happiness as the real thing'.



                          But I do understand your anxiety and apprehensions. I have been on many trips with friends/family and also alone. I have been on trips organized by tour-operators/guides but most of the time they are completely self-organized.



                          At this point I can say I am fairly confident of my ability to plan a vacation from scratch and also deal with any unexpected happenings along the way.



                          But even now, I take a lot of time to plan and research the places I am going to. I find that the shorter time I spend on the vacation, the more planning I need to do to avoid wasting the precious little time I have. I work full-time, so I mostly take not more than 3 days off for a trip and I don't want to spend 4 hours waiting for a bus or train due to inefficient planning.



                          There are many ways to plan a trip depending on your preferences and planning style. One I choose is as follows:





                          1. Choose a place - it could be a city or a region.



                            Eg: Prague, Western Italy, Southern India, Liechtenstein+Innsbruck, Poland etc..




                          2. Get a broad idea of what that place has to offer and what catches your fancy.



                            Eg: I wanted to visit Poland. I knew I definitely wanted to visit Warsaw and also one other city in Poland - The most suggested ones in the internet were Gdansk, Wroclaw or Krakow




                          3. Narrow down the options based on your travel options and interests.



                            Eg: There was good train connectivity from Warsaw to all the 3 cities mentioned before. So I had to decide if I wanted to visit the sea in Gdansk, watch the wonderful old architecture in Wroclaw or Krakow.
                            I had 4 days, I thought, instead of spending all my time in the cities, I must go out into nature for a day and try out my new hiking shoes. On further investigation, I found that Krakow was close to Zakopane which was a base for some cool hikes in the Tatras mountains and I could also stand on the Polish-Slovenian border on top of the mountain.
                            So Krakow is the choice I made- my plan was coming into a vague shape after all.




                          4. After deciding on the destinations and activities, you can decide on the amount of time you would spend at each place and this would in-turn give you an idea of what travel and accommodation choices to book.



                            Eg: I booked a flight to Warsaw, a train from Warsaw to Krakow and a return flight from Krakow. One night in Warsaw, one in Kraow and one in Zakopane. There was a bus from Krakow to Zakopane, so I did not book it so that that part of the journey would be flexible.



                          5. Once the major portion of the trip as been planned and booked (Travel, accommodation and activities (tickets for tours, amusement parks, ski-resorts etc)), rest of the minor details can be planned at your leisure.



                          Of course, I did not do all this at a stretch in a single day, it took some time. But that was a fun thing too - I was spending my free time exploring about Polish history and rural Poland rather than watching cat videos on facebook.



                          One thing you must remember as a well-traveled and travel-loving soul is that, no matter which place or activities you choose, in the end you are always going to be glad you took the trip rather than not taking it :) Keep travelling and let not planning take the fun out of it!






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                            As Kate has pointed out in her answer - 'Anticipating something gives almost as much happiness as the real thing'.



                            But I do understand your anxiety and apprehensions. I have been on many trips with friends/family and also alone. I have been on trips organized by tour-operators/guides but most of the time they are completely self-organized.



                            At this point I can say I am fairly confident of my ability to plan a vacation from scratch and also deal with any unexpected happenings along the way.



                            But even now, I take a lot of time to plan and research the places I am going to. I find that the shorter time I spend on the vacation, the more planning I need to do to avoid wasting the precious little time I have. I work full-time, so I mostly take not more than 3 days off for a trip and I don't want to spend 4 hours waiting for a bus or train due to inefficient planning.



                            There are many ways to plan a trip depending on your preferences and planning style. One I choose is as follows:





                            1. Choose a place - it could be a city or a region.



                              Eg: Prague, Western Italy, Southern India, Liechtenstein+Innsbruck, Poland etc..




                            2. Get a broad idea of what that place has to offer and what catches your fancy.



                              Eg: I wanted to visit Poland. I knew I definitely wanted to visit Warsaw and also one other city in Poland - The most suggested ones in the internet were Gdansk, Wroclaw or Krakow




                            3. Narrow down the options based on your travel options and interests.



                              Eg: There was good train connectivity from Warsaw to all the 3 cities mentioned before. So I had to decide if I wanted to visit the sea in Gdansk, watch the wonderful old architecture in Wroclaw or Krakow.
                              I had 4 days, I thought, instead of spending all my time in the cities, I must go out into nature for a day and try out my new hiking shoes. On further investigation, I found that Krakow was close to Zakopane which was a base for some cool hikes in the Tatras mountains and I could also stand on the Polish-Slovenian border on top of the mountain.
                              So Krakow is the choice I made- my plan was coming into a vague shape after all.




                            4. After deciding on the destinations and activities, you can decide on the amount of time you would spend at each place and this would in-turn give you an idea of what travel and accommodation choices to book.



                              Eg: I booked a flight to Warsaw, a train from Warsaw to Krakow and a return flight from Krakow. One night in Warsaw, one in Kraow and one in Zakopane. There was a bus from Krakow to Zakopane, so I did not book it so that that part of the journey would be flexible.



                            5. Once the major portion of the trip as been planned and booked (Travel, accommodation and activities (tickets for tours, amusement parks, ski-resorts etc)), rest of the minor details can be planned at your leisure.



                            Of course, I did not do all this at a stretch in a single day, it took some time. But that was a fun thing too - I was spending my free time exploring about Polish history and rural Poland rather than watching cat videos on facebook.



                            One thing you must remember as a well-traveled and travel-loving soul is that, no matter which place or activities you choose, in the end you are always going to be glad you took the trip rather than not taking it :) Keep travelling and let not planning take the fun out of it!






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                            As Kate has pointed out in her answer - 'Anticipating something gives almost as much happiness as the real thing'.



                            But I do understand your anxiety and apprehensions. I have been on many trips with friends/family and also alone. I have been on trips organized by tour-operators/guides but most of the time they are completely self-organized.



                            At this point I can say I am fairly confident of my ability to plan a vacation from scratch and also deal with any unexpected happenings along the way.



                            But even now, I take a lot of time to plan and research the places I am going to. I find that the shorter time I spend on the vacation, the more planning I need to do to avoid wasting the precious little time I have. I work full-time, so I mostly take not more than 3 days off for a trip and I don't want to spend 4 hours waiting for a bus or train due to inefficient planning.



                            There are many ways to plan a trip depending on your preferences and planning style. One I choose is as follows:





                            1. Choose a place - it could be a city or a region.



                              Eg: Prague, Western Italy, Southern India, Liechtenstein+Innsbruck, Poland etc..




                            2. Get a broad idea of what that place has to offer and what catches your fancy.



                              Eg: I wanted to visit Poland. I knew I definitely wanted to visit Warsaw and also one other city in Poland - The most suggested ones in the internet were Gdansk, Wroclaw or Krakow




                            3. Narrow down the options based on your travel options and interests.



                              Eg: There was good train connectivity from Warsaw to all the 3 cities mentioned before. So I had to decide if I wanted to visit the sea in Gdansk, watch the wonderful old architecture in Wroclaw or Krakow.
                              I had 4 days, I thought, instead of spending all my time in the cities, I must go out into nature for a day and try out my new hiking shoes. On further investigation, I found that Krakow was close to Zakopane which was a base for some cool hikes in the Tatras mountains and I could also stand on the Polish-Slovenian border on top of the mountain.
                              So Krakow is the choice I made- my plan was coming into a vague shape after all.




                            4. After deciding on the destinations and activities, you can decide on the amount of time you would spend at each place and this would in-turn give you an idea of what travel and accommodation choices to book.



                              Eg: I booked a flight to Warsaw, a train from Warsaw to Krakow and a return flight from Krakow. One night in Warsaw, one in Kraow and one in Zakopane. There was a bus from Krakow to Zakopane, so I did not book it so that that part of the journey would be flexible.



                            5. Once the major portion of the trip as been planned and booked (Travel, accommodation and activities (tickets for tours, amusement parks, ski-resorts etc)), rest of the minor details can be planned at your leisure.



                            Of course, I did not do all this at a stretch in a single day, it took some time. But that was a fun thing too - I was spending my free time exploring about Polish history and rural Poland rather than watching cat videos on facebook.



                            One thing you must remember as a well-traveled and travel-loving soul is that, no matter which place or activities you choose, in the end you are always going to be glad you took the trip rather than not taking it :) Keep travelling and let not planning take the fun out of it!







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                                This strategy works better when you have plenty of time: don't plan - just make it up as you go along.



                                Many years ago, I took a gap year after university. I decided to see how far from home (UK) I could get without using a plane. I bought a train ticket from London to Istanbul. This was a cheap ticket with no reserved seats but I could get off and on as I wished. I chose to get out in Paris, Venice, and Belgrade before arriving in Istanbul. I then found a cheap backpackers hotel and explored locally for a bit. I had no plans of what to do next. While there, I researched a little and found a boat to Samsum far east in Turkey. Again, I did not yet have a plan of the next step. My only advance planning was to get a visa for Iran since it was fairly obvious that I would need it. Eventually, I got to Malaysia without a plane.



                                It can work on a shorter trip. More recently but still quite long ago, I took some visiting friends from the UK to France for a few days. I bought a ticket for my car through the tunnel to France. While in the tunnel, I said: "where shall we go? We can turn right when we get out and head to Mont St Michel in France (an example of a nice place that I knew that we could get to in a reasonable time) or we can turn left and go to Brussels and maybe Amsterdam afterwards.



                                I could give more examples but it is a strategy that I like - just set off and make it up as you go along.



                                Additional: if you have access to the BBC then look for this programme: Race across the World. It is rather similar to my trip long ago (except that no film crew followed me). It gives a fairly good idea of how to make it up as you go along. It has caused me to daydream of another trip.






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                                • Wow! I enjoyed reading this. It's always fascinated me to read stories of people like this. When we went on road trips with my family, we'd do similar. The destination would usually be picked and then hit the road, go and stop wherever you get to stay over night, see some stuff and continue the next day till we got to the final destination! I think it's the peer/society pressure that I get here that somehow stresses me a bit. I need to work on that. Did you eventually get to Iran?

                                  – Neeku
                                  yesterday











                                • Through Iran, Pakistan, India, (with a side trip to Sri Lanka), to Malaysia. I then cheated and flew to Australia (my brother lived there at the time), later back to Malaysia, side trip to Indonesia, up through Thailand, Burma, and Bangladesh. Finally a cheap flight back to Amsterdam where I was detained but that is another story. I see that you are in Ireland, I only got my Iranian visa thanks to my Irish passport.

                                  – badjohn
                                  yesterday













                                • I am indeed, and I can only travel with less hassle within EU thanks to my Iranian passport--NOT, but the Irish one! Nowadays you can get a visa on arrival to Iran with your Irish passport.

                                  – Neeku
                                  yesterday













                                • So, you are dual Iranian / Irish? More exotic than my dual UK / Irish. My story is old and I don't know the situation now. At the time (1982), Brist were not welcome but the Irish were. I saw Tehran, Isfahan, and Zahedan.

                                  – badjohn
                                  yesterday











                                • I am indeed! How come did you miss Tabriz entering from Turkey? Shame! ;) That's still valid about IE vs. UK, and old stories are gold!

                                  – Neeku
                                  yesterday
















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                                This strategy works better when you have plenty of time: don't plan - just make it up as you go along.



                                Many years ago, I took a gap year after university. I decided to see how far from home (UK) I could get without using a plane. I bought a train ticket from London to Istanbul. This was a cheap ticket with no reserved seats but I could get off and on as I wished. I chose to get out in Paris, Venice, and Belgrade before arriving in Istanbul. I then found a cheap backpackers hotel and explored locally for a bit. I had no plans of what to do next. While there, I researched a little and found a boat to Samsum far east in Turkey. Again, I did not yet have a plan of the next step. My only advance planning was to get a visa for Iran since it was fairly obvious that I would need it. Eventually, I got to Malaysia without a plane.



                                It can work on a shorter trip. More recently but still quite long ago, I took some visiting friends from the UK to France for a few days. I bought a ticket for my car through the tunnel to France. While in the tunnel, I said: "where shall we go? We can turn right when we get out and head to Mont St Michel in France (an example of a nice place that I knew that we could get to in a reasonable time) or we can turn left and go to Brussels and maybe Amsterdam afterwards.



                                I could give more examples but it is a strategy that I like - just set off and make it up as you go along.



                                Additional: if you have access to the BBC then look for this programme: Race across the World. It is rather similar to my trip long ago (except that no film crew followed me). It gives a fairly good idea of how to make it up as you go along. It has caused me to daydream of another trip.






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                                • Wow! I enjoyed reading this. It's always fascinated me to read stories of people like this. When we went on road trips with my family, we'd do similar. The destination would usually be picked and then hit the road, go and stop wherever you get to stay over night, see some stuff and continue the next day till we got to the final destination! I think it's the peer/society pressure that I get here that somehow stresses me a bit. I need to work on that. Did you eventually get to Iran?

                                  – Neeku
                                  yesterday











                                • Through Iran, Pakistan, India, (with a side trip to Sri Lanka), to Malaysia. I then cheated and flew to Australia (my brother lived there at the time), later back to Malaysia, side trip to Indonesia, up through Thailand, Burma, and Bangladesh. Finally a cheap flight back to Amsterdam where I was detained but that is another story. I see that you are in Ireland, I only got my Iranian visa thanks to my Irish passport.

                                  – badjohn
                                  yesterday













                                • I am indeed, and I can only travel with less hassle within EU thanks to my Iranian passport--NOT, but the Irish one! Nowadays you can get a visa on arrival to Iran with your Irish passport.

                                  – Neeku
                                  yesterday













                                • So, you are dual Iranian / Irish? More exotic than my dual UK / Irish. My story is old and I don't know the situation now. At the time (1982), Brist were not welcome but the Irish were. I saw Tehran, Isfahan, and Zahedan.

                                  – badjohn
                                  yesterday











                                • I am indeed! How come did you miss Tabriz entering from Turkey? Shame! ;) That's still valid about IE vs. UK, and old stories are gold!

                                  – Neeku
                                  yesterday














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                                1








                                1







                                This strategy works better when you have plenty of time: don't plan - just make it up as you go along.



                                Many years ago, I took a gap year after university. I decided to see how far from home (UK) I could get without using a plane. I bought a train ticket from London to Istanbul. This was a cheap ticket with no reserved seats but I could get off and on as I wished. I chose to get out in Paris, Venice, and Belgrade before arriving in Istanbul. I then found a cheap backpackers hotel and explored locally for a bit. I had no plans of what to do next. While there, I researched a little and found a boat to Samsum far east in Turkey. Again, I did not yet have a plan of the next step. My only advance planning was to get a visa for Iran since it was fairly obvious that I would need it. Eventually, I got to Malaysia without a plane.



                                It can work on a shorter trip. More recently but still quite long ago, I took some visiting friends from the UK to France for a few days. I bought a ticket for my car through the tunnel to France. While in the tunnel, I said: "where shall we go? We can turn right when we get out and head to Mont St Michel in France (an example of a nice place that I knew that we could get to in a reasonable time) or we can turn left and go to Brussels and maybe Amsterdam afterwards.



                                I could give more examples but it is a strategy that I like - just set off and make it up as you go along.



                                Additional: if you have access to the BBC then look for this programme: Race across the World. It is rather similar to my trip long ago (except that no film crew followed me). It gives a fairly good idea of how to make it up as you go along. It has caused me to daydream of another trip.






                                share|improve this answer















                                This strategy works better when you have plenty of time: don't plan - just make it up as you go along.



                                Many years ago, I took a gap year after university. I decided to see how far from home (UK) I could get without using a plane. I bought a train ticket from London to Istanbul. This was a cheap ticket with no reserved seats but I could get off and on as I wished. I chose to get out in Paris, Venice, and Belgrade before arriving in Istanbul. I then found a cheap backpackers hotel and explored locally for a bit. I had no plans of what to do next. While there, I researched a little and found a boat to Samsum far east in Turkey. Again, I did not yet have a plan of the next step. My only advance planning was to get a visa for Iran since it was fairly obvious that I would need it. Eventually, I got to Malaysia without a plane.



                                It can work on a shorter trip. More recently but still quite long ago, I took some visiting friends from the UK to France for a few days. I bought a ticket for my car through the tunnel to France. While in the tunnel, I said: "where shall we go? We can turn right when we get out and head to Mont St Michel in France (an example of a nice place that I knew that we could get to in a reasonable time) or we can turn left and go to Brussels and maybe Amsterdam afterwards.



                                I could give more examples but it is a strategy that I like - just set off and make it up as you go along.



                                Additional: if you have access to the BBC then look for this programme: Race across the World. It is rather similar to my trip long ago (except that no film crew followed me). It gives a fairly good idea of how to make it up as you go along. It has caused me to daydream of another trip.







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                                • Wow! I enjoyed reading this. It's always fascinated me to read stories of people like this. When we went on road trips with my family, we'd do similar. The destination would usually be picked and then hit the road, go and stop wherever you get to stay over night, see some stuff and continue the next day till we got to the final destination! I think it's the peer/society pressure that I get here that somehow stresses me a bit. I need to work on that. Did you eventually get to Iran?

                                  – Neeku
                                  yesterday











                                • Through Iran, Pakistan, India, (with a side trip to Sri Lanka), to Malaysia. I then cheated and flew to Australia (my brother lived there at the time), later back to Malaysia, side trip to Indonesia, up through Thailand, Burma, and Bangladesh. Finally a cheap flight back to Amsterdam where I was detained but that is another story. I see that you are in Ireland, I only got my Iranian visa thanks to my Irish passport.

                                  – badjohn
                                  yesterday













                                • I am indeed, and I can only travel with less hassle within EU thanks to my Iranian passport--NOT, but the Irish one! Nowadays you can get a visa on arrival to Iran with your Irish passport.

                                  – Neeku
                                  yesterday













                                • So, you are dual Iranian / Irish? More exotic than my dual UK / Irish. My story is old and I don't know the situation now. At the time (1982), Brist were not welcome but the Irish were. I saw Tehran, Isfahan, and Zahedan.

                                  – badjohn
                                  yesterday











                                • I am indeed! How come did you miss Tabriz entering from Turkey? Shame! ;) That's still valid about IE vs. UK, and old stories are gold!

                                  – Neeku
                                  yesterday



















                                • Wow! I enjoyed reading this. It's always fascinated me to read stories of people like this. When we went on road trips with my family, we'd do similar. The destination would usually be picked and then hit the road, go and stop wherever you get to stay over night, see some stuff and continue the next day till we got to the final destination! I think it's the peer/society pressure that I get here that somehow stresses me a bit. I need to work on that. Did you eventually get to Iran?

                                  – Neeku
                                  yesterday











                                • Through Iran, Pakistan, India, (with a side trip to Sri Lanka), to Malaysia. I then cheated and flew to Australia (my brother lived there at the time), later back to Malaysia, side trip to Indonesia, up through Thailand, Burma, and Bangladesh. Finally a cheap flight back to Amsterdam where I was detained but that is another story. I see that you are in Ireland, I only got my Iranian visa thanks to my Irish passport.

                                  – badjohn
                                  yesterday













                                • I am indeed, and I can only travel with less hassle within EU thanks to my Iranian passport--NOT, but the Irish one! Nowadays you can get a visa on arrival to Iran with your Irish passport.

                                  – Neeku
                                  yesterday













                                • So, you are dual Iranian / Irish? More exotic than my dual UK / Irish. My story is old and I don't know the situation now. At the time (1982), Brist were not welcome but the Irish were. I saw Tehran, Isfahan, and Zahedan.

                                  – badjohn
                                  yesterday











                                • I am indeed! How come did you miss Tabriz entering from Turkey? Shame! ;) That's still valid about IE vs. UK, and old stories are gold!

                                  – Neeku
                                  yesterday

















                                Wow! I enjoyed reading this. It's always fascinated me to read stories of people like this. When we went on road trips with my family, we'd do similar. The destination would usually be picked and then hit the road, go and stop wherever you get to stay over night, see some stuff and continue the next day till we got to the final destination! I think it's the peer/society pressure that I get here that somehow stresses me a bit. I need to work on that. Did you eventually get to Iran?

                                – Neeku
                                yesterday





                                Wow! I enjoyed reading this. It's always fascinated me to read stories of people like this. When we went on road trips with my family, we'd do similar. The destination would usually be picked and then hit the road, go and stop wherever you get to stay over night, see some stuff and continue the next day till we got to the final destination! I think it's the peer/society pressure that I get here that somehow stresses me a bit. I need to work on that. Did you eventually get to Iran?

                                – Neeku
                                yesterday













                                Through Iran, Pakistan, India, (with a side trip to Sri Lanka), to Malaysia. I then cheated and flew to Australia (my brother lived there at the time), later back to Malaysia, side trip to Indonesia, up through Thailand, Burma, and Bangladesh. Finally a cheap flight back to Amsterdam where I was detained but that is another story. I see that you are in Ireland, I only got my Iranian visa thanks to my Irish passport.

                                – badjohn
                                yesterday







                                Through Iran, Pakistan, India, (with a side trip to Sri Lanka), to Malaysia. I then cheated and flew to Australia (my brother lived there at the time), later back to Malaysia, side trip to Indonesia, up through Thailand, Burma, and Bangladesh. Finally a cheap flight back to Amsterdam where I was detained but that is another story. I see that you are in Ireland, I only got my Iranian visa thanks to my Irish passport.

                                – badjohn
                                yesterday















                                I am indeed, and I can only travel with less hassle within EU thanks to my Iranian passport--NOT, but the Irish one! Nowadays you can get a visa on arrival to Iran with your Irish passport.

                                – Neeku
                                yesterday







                                I am indeed, and I can only travel with less hassle within EU thanks to my Iranian passport--NOT, but the Irish one! Nowadays you can get a visa on arrival to Iran with your Irish passport.

                                – Neeku
                                yesterday















                                So, you are dual Iranian / Irish? More exotic than my dual UK / Irish. My story is old and I don't know the situation now. At the time (1982), Brist were not welcome but the Irish were. I saw Tehran, Isfahan, and Zahedan.

                                – badjohn
                                yesterday





                                So, you are dual Iranian / Irish? More exotic than my dual UK / Irish. My story is old and I don't know the situation now. At the time (1982), Brist were not welcome but the Irish were. I saw Tehran, Isfahan, and Zahedan.

                                – badjohn
                                yesterday













                                I am indeed! How come did you miss Tabriz entering from Turkey? Shame! ;) That's still valid about IE vs. UK, and old stories are gold!

                                – Neeku
                                yesterday





                                I am indeed! How come did you miss Tabriz entering from Turkey? Shame! ;) That's still valid about IE vs. UK, and old stories are gold!

                                – Neeku
                                yesterday



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