Why do we bend a book to keep it straight?












115












$begingroup$


I noticed that I have been bending my book all along, when I was reading it with one hand.



book





This also works for plane flexible sheets of any material.



Illustration using an A4 sheet



Without bending the sheet:
No bend





With a bend along perpendicular axis
With bend





How do you explain this sturdiness, that comes only when the object is bent along the perpendicular axis ? I feel that this is a problem related to the elastic properties of thin planes. But any other versions are also welcome.










share|cite|improve this question











$endgroup$








  • 20




    $begingroup$
    Numberphile answered a version of this with a pizza rather than a book: The Remarkable Way We Eat Pizza - Numberphile
    $endgroup$
    – MannyC
    yesterday






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @MannyC: Whatever benefits gained by watching Numberphile videos are more than outweighed by the wrong mathematics that pervade them. Sad to say, but true.
    $endgroup$
    – user21820
    11 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    The answer below is long, so I will just suggest the Wikipedia article on Theorema Egregium if you already have a good understanding of how surfaces work, as it explains it in terms of differential geometry. This question was likely one that must have occurred to Gauss at one point when he had one of his notebooks in his hand and realised he was keeping it straight by bending it. Basically rigidity is created perpendicular to the direction of the folding, which can be explained rigorously using differential geometry on surfaces.
    $endgroup$
    – Tom
    9 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    You re-invented corrugated iron, which allows you to adjust stiffness and strength separately. Stiffness is detemined by the thickness of the structure, including corrugations, while strength depends on the thickness of the sheet.
    $endgroup$
    – Rainer P.
    7 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @user21820: My English is not great. Are you saying Numberphile has more incorrect math than correct math in his videos?
    $endgroup$
    – Thomas Weller
    4 hours ago
















115












$begingroup$


I noticed that I have been bending my book all along, when I was reading it with one hand.



book





This also works for plane flexible sheets of any material.



Illustration using an A4 sheet



Without bending the sheet:
No bend





With a bend along perpendicular axis
With bend





How do you explain this sturdiness, that comes only when the object is bent along the perpendicular axis ? I feel that this is a problem related to the elastic properties of thin planes. But any other versions are also welcome.










share|cite|improve this question











$endgroup$








  • 20




    $begingroup$
    Numberphile answered a version of this with a pizza rather than a book: The Remarkable Way We Eat Pizza - Numberphile
    $endgroup$
    – MannyC
    yesterday






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @MannyC: Whatever benefits gained by watching Numberphile videos are more than outweighed by the wrong mathematics that pervade them. Sad to say, but true.
    $endgroup$
    – user21820
    11 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    The answer below is long, so I will just suggest the Wikipedia article on Theorema Egregium if you already have a good understanding of how surfaces work, as it explains it in terms of differential geometry. This question was likely one that must have occurred to Gauss at one point when he had one of his notebooks in his hand and realised he was keeping it straight by bending it. Basically rigidity is created perpendicular to the direction of the folding, which can be explained rigorously using differential geometry on surfaces.
    $endgroup$
    – Tom
    9 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    You re-invented corrugated iron, which allows you to adjust stiffness and strength separately. Stiffness is detemined by the thickness of the structure, including corrugations, while strength depends on the thickness of the sheet.
    $endgroup$
    – Rainer P.
    7 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @user21820: My English is not great. Are you saying Numberphile has more incorrect math than correct math in his videos?
    $endgroup$
    – Thomas Weller
    4 hours ago














115












115








115


55



$begingroup$


I noticed that I have been bending my book all along, when I was reading it with one hand.



book





This also works for plane flexible sheets of any material.



Illustration using an A4 sheet



Without bending the sheet:
No bend





With a bend along perpendicular axis
With bend





How do you explain this sturdiness, that comes only when the object is bent along the perpendicular axis ? I feel that this is a problem related to the elastic properties of thin planes. But any other versions are also welcome.










share|cite|improve this question











$endgroup$




I noticed that I have been bending my book all along, when I was reading it with one hand.



book





This also works for plane flexible sheets of any material.



Illustration using an A4 sheet



Without bending the sheet:
No bend





With a bend along perpendicular axis
With bend





How do you explain this sturdiness, that comes only when the object is bent along the perpendicular axis ? I feel that this is a problem related to the elastic properties of thin planes. But any other versions are also welcome.







newtonian-mechanics forces everyday-life continuum-mechanics stress-strain






share|cite|improve this question















share|cite|improve this question













share|cite|improve this question




share|cite|improve this question








edited yesterday







Krishnanand J

















asked yesterday









Krishnanand JKrishnanand J

1,2582728




1,2582728








  • 20




    $begingroup$
    Numberphile answered a version of this with a pizza rather than a book: The Remarkable Way We Eat Pizza - Numberphile
    $endgroup$
    – MannyC
    yesterday






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @MannyC: Whatever benefits gained by watching Numberphile videos are more than outweighed by the wrong mathematics that pervade them. Sad to say, but true.
    $endgroup$
    – user21820
    11 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    The answer below is long, so I will just suggest the Wikipedia article on Theorema Egregium if you already have a good understanding of how surfaces work, as it explains it in terms of differential geometry. This question was likely one that must have occurred to Gauss at one point when he had one of his notebooks in his hand and realised he was keeping it straight by bending it. Basically rigidity is created perpendicular to the direction of the folding, which can be explained rigorously using differential geometry on surfaces.
    $endgroup$
    – Tom
    9 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    You re-invented corrugated iron, which allows you to adjust stiffness and strength separately. Stiffness is detemined by the thickness of the structure, including corrugations, while strength depends on the thickness of the sheet.
    $endgroup$
    – Rainer P.
    7 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @user21820: My English is not great. Are you saying Numberphile has more incorrect math than correct math in his videos?
    $endgroup$
    – Thomas Weller
    4 hours ago














  • 20




    $begingroup$
    Numberphile answered a version of this with a pizza rather than a book: The Remarkable Way We Eat Pizza - Numberphile
    $endgroup$
    – MannyC
    yesterday






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @MannyC: Whatever benefits gained by watching Numberphile videos are more than outweighed by the wrong mathematics that pervade them. Sad to say, but true.
    $endgroup$
    – user21820
    11 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    The answer below is long, so I will just suggest the Wikipedia article on Theorema Egregium if you already have a good understanding of how surfaces work, as it explains it in terms of differential geometry. This question was likely one that must have occurred to Gauss at one point when he had one of his notebooks in his hand and realised he was keeping it straight by bending it. Basically rigidity is created perpendicular to the direction of the folding, which can be explained rigorously using differential geometry on surfaces.
    $endgroup$
    – Tom
    9 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    You re-invented corrugated iron, which allows you to adjust stiffness and strength separately. Stiffness is detemined by the thickness of the structure, including corrugations, while strength depends on the thickness of the sheet.
    $endgroup$
    – Rainer P.
    7 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @user21820: My English is not great. Are you saying Numberphile has more incorrect math than correct math in his videos?
    $endgroup$
    – Thomas Weller
    4 hours ago








20




20




$begingroup$
Numberphile answered a version of this with a pizza rather than a book: The Remarkable Way We Eat Pizza - Numberphile
$endgroup$
– MannyC
yesterday




$begingroup$
Numberphile answered a version of this with a pizza rather than a book: The Remarkable Way We Eat Pizza - Numberphile
$endgroup$
– MannyC
yesterday




1




1




$begingroup$
@MannyC: Whatever benefits gained by watching Numberphile videos are more than outweighed by the wrong mathematics that pervade them. Sad to say, but true.
$endgroup$
– user21820
11 hours ago




$begingroup$
@MannyC: Whatever benefits gained by watching Numberphile videos are more than outweighed by the wrong mathematics that pervade them. Sad to say, but true.
$endgroup$
– user21820
11 hours ago




1




1




$begingroup$
The answer below is long, so I will just suggest the Wikipedia article on Theorema Egregium if you already have a good understanding of how surfaces work, as it explains it in terms of differential geometry. This question was likely one that must have occurred to Gauss at one point when he had one of his notebooks in his hand and realised he was keeping it straight by bending it. Basically rigidity is created perpendicular to the direction of the folding, which can be explained rigorously using differential geometry on surfaces.
$endgroup$
– Tom
9 hours ago




$begingroup$
The answer below is long, so I will just suggest the Wikipedia article on Theorema Egregium if you already have a good understanding of how surfaces work, as it explains it in terms of differential geometry. This question was likely one that must have occurred to Gauss at one point when he had one of his notebooks in his hand and realised he was keeping it straight by bending it. Basically rigidity is created perpendicular to the direction of the folding, which can be explained rigorously using differential geometry on surfaces.
$endgroup$
– Tom
9 hours ago












$begingroup$
You re-invented corrugated iron, which allows you to adjust stiffness and strength separately. Stiffness is detemined by the thickness of the structure, including corrugations, while strength depends on the thickness of the sheet.
$endgroup$
– Rainer P.
7 hours ago




$begingroup$
You re-invented corrugated iron, which allows you to adjust stiffness and strength separately. Stiffness is detemined by the thickness of the structure, including corrugations, while strength depends on the thickness of the sheet.
$endgroup$
– Rainer P.
7 hours ago




1




1




$begingroup$
@user21820: My English is not great. Are you saying Numberphile has more incorrect math than correct math in his videos?
$endgroup$
– Thomas Weller
4 hours ago




$begingroup$
@user21820: My English is not great. Are you saying Numberphile has more incorrect math than correct math in his videos?
$endgroup$
– Thomas Weller
4 hours ago










6 Answers
6






active

oldest

votes


















159












$begingroup$

Understanding why this works turns out to be quite deep. This answer is kind of a long story, but there's no maths. At the end ('A more formal approach') there is an outline of how the maths works: skip to that if you don't want the story.



Insect geometry



Consider a little insect or something who lives on the surface of the paper. This insect can't see off the paper, but it can draw straight lines and measure angles on the paper.



How does it draw straight lines? Well it does it in two ways: either it takes two points, draws lines between them on the paper, and finds the shortest line between them, which it calls 'straight'; or alternatively it draws a line in such a way that it is parallel to itself and calls this 'straight'. There is a geometrical trick for constructing such 'parallel-to-themselves' lines which I won't go into. And it turns out that these two sorts of lines are the same.



I'm not sure how it measures angles: perhaps it has a little protractor.



So now our insect can do geometry. It can draw various triangles on the paper, and it can measure the angles at the corners of these triangles. And it's always going to find that the angles add up to $pi$ ($180^circ$), of course. You can do this too, and check the insect's results, and many people do just this at school. The insect (let's call it 'Euclid') can develop an entire system of geometry on its sheet of paper, in fact. Other insect artists will make pictures and sculptures of it, and the book on geometry it writes will be used in insect schools for thousands of years. In particular the insect can construct shapes out of straight lines and measure the areas inside them and develop a bunch of rules for this: rectangles have areas which are equal to $w times h$ for instance.



I didn't specify something above: I didn't tell you if the paper was lying flat on a desk, or if it was curved in your hand. That's because it does not matter to the insect: the insect can't tell whether we think the paper is curved, or whether we think it's flat: the lines and angles it measures are exactly the same. And that's because, in a real sense, the insect is right and we're wrong: the paper is flat, even when we think it's curved. What I mean by this is that there is no measurement you can do, on the surface of the paper which will tell you if it is 'curved' or 'flat'.



So now shake the paper, and cause one of the insects to fall off and land on a tomato. This insect starts doing its geometry on the surface of the tomato, and it finds something quite shocking: on a small scale everything looks OK, but when it starts trying to construct large figures things go horribly wrong: the angles in its triangles add up to more than $pi$. Lines which start parallel, extended far enough, meet twice, and there is in fact no global notion of parallelism at all. And when it measures the area inside shapes, it finds it is always more than it thinks it should be: somehow there is more tomato inside the shapes than there is paper.



The tomato, in fact, is curved: without ever leaving the surface of the tomato the insect can know that the surface is somehow deformed. Eventually it can develop a whole theory of tomato geometry, and later some really smart insects with names like 'Gauss' and 'Riemann' will develop a theory which allows them to describe the geometry of curved surfaces in general: tomatoes, pears and so on.



Intrinsic & extrinsic curvature



To be really precise, we talk about the sheet of paper being 'intrinsically flat' and the surface of the tomato being 'intrinsically curved': what this means is just that, by doing measurements on the surface alone we can tell if the rules of Euclidean geometry hold or not.



There is another sort of curvature which is extrinsic curvature: this is the kind of curvature which you can measure only by considering an object as being embedded into some higher-dimensional space. So in the case of sheets of paper, the surfaces of these are two dimensional objects embedded in the three dimensional space where we live. And we can tell whether these surfaces are extrinsically curved by constructing normal vectors to the surfaces and checking whether they all point in the same direction. But the insects can't do this: they can only measure intrinsic curvature.



And, critically, something can be extrinsically curved while being intrinsically flat. (The converse is not true, at least in the case of paper: if it's intrinsically curved it's extrinsically curved as well.)



Stretching & compressing



There's a critical thing about the difference between intrinsically flat and intrinsically curved surfaces which I've mentioned in passing above: the area inside shapes is different. What this means is that the surface is stretched or compressed: in the case of the tomato there is more area inside triangles than there is for flat paper.



What this means is that, if you want to take an intrinsically flat object and deform it so that it is intrinsically curved, you need to stretch or compress parts of it: if we wanted to take a sheet of paper and curve it over the surface of a sphere, then we would need to stretch & compress it: there is no other way to do it.



That's not true for extrinsic curvature: if I take a bit of paper and roll it into a cylinder, say, the surface of the paper is not stretched or compressed at all. (In fact, it is a bit because paper is actually a thin three-dimensional object, but ideal two-dimensional paper is not.)



Why curving paper makes it rigid



Finally I can answer the question. Paper is pretty resistant to stretching & compressing: if you try and stretch a (dry) sheet of paper it will tear before it has streched really at all, and if you try and compress it it will fold up in some awful way but not compress.



But paper is really thin so it is not very resistant to bending (because bending it only stretches it a tiny tiny bit, and for our ideal two dimensional paper, it doesn't stretch it at all).



What this means is that it's easy to curve paper extrinsically but very hard to curve it intrinsically.



And now I will wave my hands a bit: if you curve paper into a 'U' shape as you have done, then you are curving it only extrinsically: it's still intrinsically flat. So it doesn't mind this, at all. But if it starts curving in the other direction as well, then it will have to curve intrinsically: it will have to stretch or compress. It's easy to see this just be looking at the paper: when it's curved into a 'U' then to curve it in the other direction either the top of the 'U' is going to need to stretch or the bottom is going to need to compress.



And this is why curving paper like that makes it rigid: it 'uses up' the ability to extrinsically curve the paper so that any further extrinsic curvature involves intrinsic curvature too, which paper does not like to do.



Why all this is important



As I said at the start, this is quite a deep question.




  • The mathematics behind this is absolutely fascinating and beautiful while being relatively easy to understand once you have seen it. If you understand it you get some kind of insight into how the minds of people like Gauss worked, which is just lovely.

  • The mathematics and physics behind it turns out to be some of the maths that you need to understand General Relativity, which is a theory all about curvature. So by understanding this properly you are starting on the path to understanding the most beautiful and profound theory of modern physics (I was going to write 'one of the most ...' but no: there's GR and there's everything else).

  • The mathematics and physics behind it also is important in things like engineering: if you want to understand why beams are strong, or why car panels are rigid you need to understand this stuff.

  • And finally it's the same maths: the maths you need to understand various engineered structures is pretty close to the maths you need to understand GR: how cool is that?




A more formal approach: a remarkable theorem



The last section above involved some handwaving: the way to make it less handwavy is due to the wonderful Theorema Egregium ('remarkable theorem') due to Gauss. I don't want to go into the complete detail of this (in fact, I'm probably not up to it any more), but the trick you do is, for a two dimensional surface you can construct the normal vector $vec{n}$ in three dimensions (the vector pointing out of the surface), and you can consider how this vector changes direction (in three dimensions) as you move it along various curves on the surface. At any point in the surface there are two curves which pass through it: one on which the vector is changing direction fastest along the curve, and one along which is changing direction slowest (this follows basically from continuity).



We can construct a number, $r$ which describes how fast the vector is changing direction along a curve (I've completely forgotten how to do that, but I think it's straightforward), and for these two maximum & minimum curves we can call the two rates $r_1$ and $r_2$. $r_1$ & $r_2$ are called the two principal curvatures of the surface.



Then the quantity $K = r_1r_2$ is called the Gaussian curvature of the surface, and the theorema egregium says that this quantity is intrinsic to the surface: you can measure it just by measuring angles &c on the surface. The reason the theorem is remarkable is that the whole definition of $K$ involved things which are extrinsic to the surface, in particular the two principal curvatures. Because $K$ is intrinsic, our insects can measure it!



Euclidean geometry is true (in particular the parallel postulate is true) for surfaces where $K = 0$ only.



And we can now be a bit more precise about the whole 'stretching & compressing' thing I talked about above. If we're not allowed to stretch & compress the sheet of paper, then all the things we are allowed to do to it don't alter any measurement that the insects can do: lengths or angles which are intrinsic, that is to say measured entirely in the surface of the paper, can't change unless you stretch or compress the paper. Changes to the paper which preserve these intrinsic properties are called isometries. And since $K$ is intrinsic it is not altered by isometries.



Now consider a sheet of paper which is flat in three dimensions. It's obvious that $r_1 = r_2 = 0$ (the normal vector always points in the same direction). So $K = 0$.



Now fold the paper in a 'U' shape: now it's clear that $r_1 ne 0$ -- if you draw a curve across the valley in the paper then the normal vector from that curve changes direction. But this folding is an isometry: we didn't stretch or compress the paper. So $K$ must still be $0$: the paper is still intrinsically flat. But since $K = r_1r_2$ and $r_1 ne 0$ this means that $r_2 = 0$.



And what this means is that the other principal curvature must be zero. This principal curvature is along the line that goes down the valley of the 'U'. In other words the paper can't bend in the other direction without becoming intrinsically curved ($K ne 0$), which means it needs to stretch.



(I have still handwaved a bit here: I have not defined how you compute $r$, and I've not shown that there is not some other curve you can draw along the paper which has $r = 0$ apart from the obvious one.)



One of the reasons that this is all quite interesting is that this maths is the beginning of the maths you need to understand General Relativity, which also is about curvature.



Failure and folding



Of course, if you take the U-shaped bit of paper and try to bend it in the other direction at some point it will fail suddenly and become folded in some complicated way. I think there's a whole area of study which thinks about that. I suspect that when this happens (during the sudden failure, not after it I think) there must be, locally, non-zero intrinsic curvature at places on the paper. I'm sure there is a lot of interesting maths about this (apart from anything else it must be very interesting for engineered structures), but I don't know it.






share|cite|improve this answer











$endgroup$









  • 11




    $begingroup$
    It's amazing how answering some questions leads you to places you never expected
    $endgroup$
    – CharlieB
    yesterday








  • 14




    $begingroup$
    perhaps it has a little protractor - you have defined my personal idea of bewilderment.
    $endgroup$
    – Dylan
    yesterday






  • 11




    $begingroup$
    @today: this is a good question but it may be too big to answer in a comment. The problem with the blue lines is that they're not straight (technically: not geodesics). You can see this by thinking about blue lines near the poles: as you get closer & closer to the pole they are obviously circles, yet one of the things we want to be true is that on small enough patches of the surface things look like Euclidean geometry. The red lines are geodesics and meet twice. At the equator they are parallel: you could make one from another by dragging it sideways. They are not parallel where they meet.
    $endgroup$
    – tfb
    yesterday






  • 17




    $begingroup$
    This is honestly one of the best answers on this network that I have ever read
    $endgroup$
    – DreamConspiracy
    16 hours ago






  • 10




    $begingroup$
    I need to join this chorus. This is an outstanding piece of science communication. Congratulations!
    $endgroup$
    – Emilio Pisanty
    15 hours ago



















17












$begingroup$

You have essentially discovered principles behind bending moments and structural engineering.



As another poster stated, physically the structure you made is stronger, because to bend something (for example, a beam loaded at the top) layers at the top are compressed whereas layers at the bottom are stretched. This is simply due to geometry and the physical nature of materials. In short, the load (force) is being transformed from a direction normal to the beam, to an internal force—longitudinal stress. More specifically, the applied load (from weight, gravity, whatever) results in a bending moment in the member, this bending moment manifests as internal stresses (tensile and compressive forces) inside the member that resists the bending of equal magnitude.



enter image description here



Some primers on forces: compression and tension are the same thing, just different "directions" ie: if compression is -1 or -2, then tension will be 1 or 2. Knowing that, and knowing that the top of the member is in compression and the bottom is in tension, we can reason that there is a force distribution across the member. And I think the most important part to your question is that since the force distribution goes from -x to +x across the member, there must be some point where x = 0 (the neutral surface). In the picture below the stress (green arrows) at some point cross 0.



enter image description here



Therefore, we can observe that maximum stresses occur at the edges, top and bottom of the beam in our example. This principle is precisely how and why I-beams work. The strength of the member comes from the material properties of the material (its ability to resist compression or tension (stretching)). That means something like a steel beam will be limited in its ability to resist bending by the calculation of tensile load at the surface. Physically that equation is (for the $x$ direction):



$sigma_{x}=-frac{y}{c}sigma_{m}$



Where $c$ is the neutral surface (the imaginary plane where $sigma_{x}=0$) and $y$ is the distance from the neutral surface, and $sigma_{m}$ is the maximum absolute value of the stress in the member.



In layman's terms, the height of the beam is the driving factor in it's strength, not the thickness. But in the plane that is experiencing maximum loads (tension and compression) thickness there will give you more strength. This results in the classic I-beam shape.



enter image description here



What does all of this have to do with paper?



When the OP orients the paper horizontally (flat), the height of the paper relative to the neutral surface is basically 0. IE we can consider that the entire paper IS a neutral surface. That means it literally cannot resist any bending. Flip the paper 90 degrees and now all of the paper is height, and all of the paper can resist bending and it cannot be bent. It will usually buckle or tear before bending.



enter image description here



The curved shape OP creates, is exploiting the all the concepts we covered here. Instead of making an I shape, OP makes a C-shape which leads to the idea of exploiting thin materials by using corrugation to add incredible strength while keeping weight low. For example, the inside layers of a cardboard box are corrugated or folded into little curved shapes to resist bending. So we can use less material to achieve much higher strengths.



enter image description here



enter image description here






share|cite|improve this answer











$endgroup$









  • 9




    $begingroup$
    To me, this doesn't really explain anything about why this, or I-beams work. Why does a force distribution across the sheet allow it to reduce bending moments in a different direction? You've explained what bending moments are; but you didn't explain why bending paper adds stability in another direction, or how this relates to I-beams. Your explanation for how I-beams "work" is seriously lacking. All you've said is that your bending the top and compressing the bottom. I would argue that this makes the I-beam weaker than the unstressed I-beam, in a general sense.
    $endgroup$
    – JMac
    yesterday






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    The point isn't that the moment is reduced, so much as the force (stress). Roughly speaking moments are $r times F$, so increasing $r$ from 'thickness of paper' to 'height of curve in paper' reduces the force in the paper needed to counteract its own weight. engineering.stackexchange.com/questions/68/… is the same principle.
    $endgroup$
    – patstew
    15 hours ago








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @patstew I don't think the "height of curve" is really that relevant. It's really more geometrical, as shown in tfb's answer. Consider that you could get the same height by sandwiching two pieces of cardboard with straight pieces of cardboard between, and still get the same $r$. It's important how the corrugation effects stability in other directions as well.
    $endgroup$
    – JMac
    13 hours ago








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    I was going to +1 this answer as I was reading it, up until I noticed that you did not explain why the corrugations give increased strength, which is the essence of the OPs question. If you can amend your answer with that explanation you get the +1.
    $endgroup$
    – Alopex
    13 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    @patstew The wavyness is important to its structure. The "corrugated" plastic that you're talking about introduces another failure mode. It's a lot more susceptible to buckling in the vertical members because they have no curvature at all. It's fairly easy to get the squares to buckle compared to actual corrugation.
    $endgroup$
    – JMac
    12 hours ago



















15












$begingroup$

When you bend a piece of material, the resistance is provided by stretching the material on the outside part of the bend, and compressing the material on the inside of the bend.



A thin flat sheet bends easily because, physically, not of lot of stretching or compressing occurs when it bends.



When you give your book a fold, like a trough, that shape can not physically bend without a lot of stretching along the top edges, and a lot of compressing along the bottom of the trough. A very tiny bend would create a lot of stretching and compressing, and so the shape has a lot of bending resistance.






share|cite|improve this answer









$endgroup$





















    8












    $begingroup$

    The other answers so far are technically correct, but none of them really seem to give a commonsense/intuitive and simple answer. So I'll have a go at one.



    Imagine very slightly bending some kind of object downwards at one end, while holding the other end firmly horizontal. (It could be almost any object, could be paper, a branch off a tree, some plastic pipe, a long thin block of rubber, even a concrete block!) But only bending the object very slightly from one end, so you aren't breaking or fracturing it.



    To bend at all, the top of the object has to stretch more than the bottom, because it is on the "outside" of the "curve" that forms when you bent the object.



    (The bottom is squashed, or "compressed" as well, but it's easier to visualise if we ignore that and focus on what happens at the top side of the object)



    Almost all materials and objects will resist stretching and compression, at least within some small limits. Some resist it massively (try stretching a steel bar). Others don't resist it much (try pulling some nylon cord or elastic, or a spring). Some will quickly break or tear (concrete and paper don't stretch well at all, they quickly break or tear instead). Other materials will stretch for quite a bit (steel is one, which is why it's used to reinforce concrete structures, unlike concrete it will keep resisting a stretching action).



    That difference between how much the "top" bends, and how much the "bottom" bends, and the fact that if the object is bent even slightly, the top and bottom both bend and their curves will have different radii, is what determines the outcome.



    Back to your paper.



    If your paper is flat, the top and bottom surfaces of the sheet are extremely close vertically. So it can bend or flop down, with almost no stretching of the top. The top surface does actually stretch a bit, which is why even the flopped sheet flops in a curved shape - there comes a point where if it bent more, the top surface would have to stretch enough more than the bottom surface, that the fibres of paper resist it, so it doesn't easily bend any more (without you creasing it or something).



    But now suppose you bend the sheet along its length, even slightly. Now the "top" and "bottom of the curve aren't the two surfaces of the sheet, a tiny distance apart. They are the "valley" of the bent sheet and the two edges that are higher (the two sides of the sheet which bend upward). Those are a * lot * further apart vertically than the two surfaces were. So the sheet of paper still tries to flop, but it can't flop at all (or only microscopically or at the corners) because the "top" would now have to stretch a lot, just to have the sheet bend a tiny bit. Paper fibres don't stretch well (they are bonded to each other and resist stretching beyond a small amount; they will eventually tear instead). Gravity also isn't pulling down the far end of the sheet enough to force the end down even at the "cost" of tearing some of the fibres.



    The end result is that now, the fibres at the "top" edges would have to stretch a lot to allow the paper to "flop" - so they can't stretch enough to flop - and they also aren't being pulled downward enough to tear (or to bend in other ways). So the sheet simply stays where it is. So now, the sheet acts a lot more rigidly.



    You can see this by imagining trying the same thing, but with a sheet of silicone, or something else really floppy and flexible, instead of paper. Now your bending the sheet along its length doesn't work well, because the material itself doesn't resist its "top" surface or edges stretching much at all, so it can still find a way to flop down.



    ( ** I've simplified a fair bit. The main areas that I have simplified are - if the object is long and slender enough, it may end up finding other ways to bend, such as curving diagonally with one diagonal half up, and the other down. So if you try and hold a metal tape-measure out too far, this is what happens. It'll happen to your sheet of paper too, if it can. So there are other ways of bending. In engineering, where bending of a beam or column is usually a failure they're called "modes of failure", so steelworks much be designed with their 3d shape in mind, to prevent this kind of thing. Also many objects are complex or are not "elastic" beyond a small amount, for example your paper is made up of fibres bonded together, and how that bonding affects the fibres plays a big role too. Living wood from trees is made of different parts and those also interact so it splinters after a while, but doesn't fully break. But this should give you a good idea what's going on. Just be aware it's a simplified version)






    share|cite|improve this answer











    $endgroup$





















      4












      $begingroup$

      "Curving" the paper increases the second moment of area, beacuse it effectively increases the distance of the paper cross-sectional area from the section centroid.



      Stiffness of a cross-section is proportional to the square of distance from the centroid (also see parallel axis theorem), so curving the paper effectively multiplies it's stiffness by several orders of magnitude, thus the curved paper exhibits minimal displacement (= remains straight).



      Here's another example of the same principle. A paper held horizontally bends under it's own weight. A perfectly flat paper held perfectly vertically is perfectly capable to carry it's own weight with minimal displacement. It is the same principle, radical increase in stiffness along the bending direction through increase of distance from the centroid.



      Note: I'm using "curving" here as a verb even though it's probably not correct, so as not to confuse the action with the effect of paper bending due to gravity.






      share|cite|improve this answer










      New contributor




      insys is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.






      $endgroup$













      • $begingroup$
        I don't understand your comments about paper bending. A paper held both horizontally or vertically will bend very easily, with literally the same amount of force. You definitely need to be more clear about what you're trying to get at there. More importantly... this seems to repeat what several other answers are talking about, but that really omits most of the complex and interesting parts of why this actually works.
        $endgroup$
        – JMac
        5 hours ago










      • $begingroup$
        I clarified the vertical paper part. Hope it helps. Sorry to not have a "story" to tell here, but this is a very basic topic in structural mechanics and this is the correct scientific answer.
        $endgroup$
        – insys
        3 hours ago










      • $begingroup$
        I guess I get this approach, I just think it over-simplifies it at the core compared to how interesting it is. I still think the paper standing vertical isn't a good example though, since structurally it will still fail under it's own weight in any realistic circumstance. Anyways, I retracted the downvote since I get what you were getting at with the paper example.
        $endgroup$
        – JMac
        3 hours ago



















      -3












      $begingroup$

      I think it is because of structure of the paper. The fibres in the pulp that it is build from are aligned in one direction.
      This is also reason why it is much easier to tear the sheet in one direction (with the fibres), then in the other (across them).






      share|cite|improve this answer








      New contributor




      Michalina is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.






      $endgroup$









      • 3




        $begingroup$
        The orientation of the fibers doesn't have much effect on this. It happens regardless.
        $endgroup$
        – JMac
        14 hours ago












      Your Answer








      StackExchange.ready(function() {
      var channelOptions = {
      tags: "".split(" "),
      id: "151"
      };
      initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

      StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
      // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
      if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
      StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
      createEditor();
      });
      }
      else {
      createEditor();
      }
      });

      function createEditor() {
      StackExchange.prepareEditor({
      heartbeatType: 'answer',
      autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
      convertImagesToLinks: false,
      noModals: true,
      showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
      reputationToPostImages: null,
      bindNavPrevention: true,
      postfix: "",
      imageUploader: {
      brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
      contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
      allowUrls: true
      },
      noCode: true, onDemand: true,
      discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
      ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
      });


      }
      });














      draft saved

      draft discarded


















      StackExchange.ready(
      function () {
      StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fphysics.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f473061%2fwhy-do-we-bend-a-book-to-keep-it-straight%23new-answer', 'question_page');
      }
      );

      Post as a guest















      Required, but never shown

























      6 Answers
      6






      active

      oldest

      votes








      6 Answers
      6






      active

      oldest

      votes









      active

      oldest

      votes






      active

      oldest

      votes









      159












      $begingroup$

      Understanding why this works turns out to be quite deep. This answer is kind of a long story, but there's no maths. At the end ('A more formal approach') there is an outline of how the maths works: skip to that if you don't want the story.



      Insect geometry



      Consider a little insect or something who lives on the surface of the paper. This insect can't see off the paper, but it can draw straight lines and measure angles on the paper.



      How does it draw straight lines? Well it does it in two ways: either it takes two points, draws lines between them on the paper, and finds the shortest line between them, which it calls 'straight'; or alternatively it draws a line in such a way that it is parallel to itself and calls this 'straight'. There is a geometrical trick for constructing such 'parallel-to-themselves' lines which I won't go into. And it turns out that these two sorts of lines are the same.



      I'm not sure how it measures angles: perhaps it has a little protractor.



      So now our insect can do geometry. It can draw various triangles on the paper, and it can measure the angles at the corners of these triangles. And it's always going to find that the angles add up to $pi$ ($180^circ$), of course. You can do this too, and check the insect's results, and many people do just this at school. The insect (let's call it 'Euclid') can develop an entire system of geometry on its sheet of paper, in fact. Other insect artists will make pictures and sculptures of it, and the book on geometry it writes will be used in insect schools for thousands of years. In particular the insect can construct shapes out of straight lines and measure the areas inside them and develop a bunch of rules for this: rectangles have areas which are equal to $w times h$ for instance.



      I didn't specify something above: I didn't tell you if the paper was lying flat on a desk, or if it was curved in your hand. That's because it does not matter to the insect: the insect can't tell whether we think the paper is curved, or whether we think it's flat: the lines and angles it measures are exactly the same. And that's because, in a real sense, the insect is right and we're wrong: the paper is flat, even when we think it's curved. What I mean by this is that there is no measurement you can do, on the surface of the paper which will tell you if it is 'curved' or 'flat'.



      So now shake the paper, and cause one of the insects to fall off and land on a tomato. This insect starts doing its geometry on the surface of the tomato, and it finds something quite shocking: on a small scale everything looks OK, but when it starts trying to construct large figures things go horribly wrong: the angles in its triangles add up to more than $pi$. Lines which start parallel, extended far enough, meet twice, and there is in fact no global notion of parallelism at all. And when it measures the area inside shapes, it finds it is always more than it thinks it should be: somehow there is more tomato inside the shapes than there is paper.



      The tomato, in fact, is curved: without ever leaving the surface of the tomato the insect can know that the surface is somehow deformed. Eventually it can develop a whole theory of tomato geometry, and later some really smart insects with names like 'Gauss' and 'Riemann' will develop a theory which allows them to describe the geometry of curved surfaces in general: tomatoes, pears and so on.



      Intrinsic & extrinsic curvature



      To be really precise, we talk about the sheet of paper being 'intrinsically flat' and the surface of the tomato being 'intrinsically curved': what this means is just that, by doing measurements on the surface alone we can tell if the rules of Euclidean geometry hold or not.



      There is another sort of curvature which is extrinsic curvature: this is the kind of curvature which you can measure only by considering an object as being embedded into some higher-dimensional space. So in the case of sheets of paper, the surfaces of these are two dimensional objects embedded in the three dimensional space where we live. And we can tell whether these surfaces are extrinsically curved by constructing normal vectors to the surfaces and checking whether they all point in the same direction. But the insects can't do this: they can only measure intrinsic curvature.



      And, critically, something can be extrinsically curved while being intrinsically flat. (The converse is not true, at least in the case of paper: if it's intrinsically curved it's extrinsically curved as well.)



      Stretching & compressing



      There's a critical thing about the difference between intrinsically flat and intrinsically curved surfaces which I've mentioned in passing above: the area inside shapes is different. What this means is that the surface is stretched or compressed: in the case of the tomato there is more area inside triangles than there is for flat paper.



      What this means is that, if you want to take an intrinsically flat object and deform it so that it is intrinsically curved, you need to stretch or compress parts of it: if we wanted to take a sheet of paper and curve it over the surface of a sphere, then we would need to stretch & compress it: there is no other way to do it.



      That's not true for extrinsic curvature: if I take a bit of paper and roll it into a cylinder, say, the surface of the paper is not stretched or compressed at all. (In fact, it is a bit because paper is actually a thin three-dimensional object, but ideal two-dimensional paper is not.)



      Why curving paper makes it rigid



      Finally I can answer the question. Paper is pretty resistant to stretching & compressing: if you try and stretch a (dry) sheet of paper it will tear before it has streched really at all, and if you try and compress it it will fold up in some awful way but not compress.



      But paper is really thin so it is not very resistant to bending (because bending it only stretches it a tiny tiny bit, and for our ideal two dimensional paper, it doesn't stretch it at all).



      What this means is that it's easy to curve paper extrinsically but very hard to curve it intrinsically.



      And now I will wave my hands a bit: if you curve paper into a 'U' shape as you have done, then you are curving it only extrinsically: it's still intrinsically flat. So it doesn't mind this, at all. But if it starts curving in the other direction as well, then it will have to curve intrinsically: it will have to stretch or compress. It's easy to see this just be looking at the paper: when it's curved into a 'U' then to curve it in the other direction either the top of the 'U' is going to need to stretch or the bottom is going to need to compress.



      And this is why curving paper like that makes it rigid: it 'uses up' the ability to extrinsically curve the paper so that any further extrinsic curvature involves intrinsic curvature too, which paper does not like to do.



      Why all this is important



      As I said at the start, this is quite a deep question.




      • The mathematics behind this is absolutely fascinating and beautiful while being relatively easy to understand once you have seen it. If you understand it you get some kind of insight into how the minds of people like Gauss worked, which is just lovely.

      • The mathematics and physics behind it turns out to be some of the maths that you need to understand General Relativity, which is a theory all about curvature. So by understanding this properly you are starting on the path to understanding the most beautiful and profound theory of modern physics (I was going to write 'one of the most ...' but no: there's GR and there's everything else).

      • The mathematics and physics behind it also is important in things like engineering: if you want to understand why beams are strong, or why car panels are rigid you need to understand this stuff.

      • And finally it's the same maths: the maths you need to understand various engineered structures is pretty close to the maths you need to understand GR: how cool is that?




      A more formal approach: a remarkable theorem



      The last section above involved some handwaving: the way to make it less handwavy is due to the wonderful Theorema Egregium ('remarkable theorem') due to Gauss. I don't want to go into the complete detail of this (in fact, I'm probably not up to it any more), but the trick you do is, for a two dimensional surface you can construct the normal vector $vec{n}$ in three dimensions (the vector pointing out of the surface), and you can consider how this vector changes direction (in three dimensions) as you move it along various curves on the surface. At any point in the surface there are two curves which pass through it: one on which the vector is changing direction fastest along the curve, and one along which is changing direction slowest (this follows basically from continuity).



      We can construct a number, $r$ which describes how fast the vector is changing direction along a curve (I've completely forgotten how to do that, but I think it's straightforward), and for these two maximum & minimum curves we can call the two rates $r_1$ and $r_2$. $r_1$ & $r_2$ are called the two principal curvatures of the surface.



      Then the quantity $K = r_1r_2$ is called the Gaussian curvature of the surface, and the theorema egregium says that this quantity is intrinsic to the surface: you can measure it just by measuring angles &c on the surface. The reason the theorem is remarkable is that the whole definition of $K$ involved things which are extrinsic to the surface, in particular the two principal curvatures. Because $K$ is intrinsic, our insects can measure it!



      Euclidean geometry is true (in particular the parallel postulate is true) for surfaces where $K = 0$ only.



      And we can now be a bit more precise about the whole 'stretching & compressing' thing I talked about above. If we're not allowed to stretch & compress the sheet of paper, then all the things we are allowed to do to it don't alter any measurement that the insects can do: lengths or angles which are intrinsic, that is to say measured entirely in the surface of the paper, can't change unless you stretch or compress the paper. Changes to the paper which preserve these intrinsic properties are called isometries. And since $K$ is intrinsic it is not altered by isometries.



      Now consider a sheet of paper which is flat in three dimensions. It's obvious that $r_1 = r_2 = 0$ (the normal vector always points in the same direction). So $K = 0$.



      Now fold the paper in a 'U' shape: now it's clear that $r_1 ne 0$ -- if you draw a curve across the valley in the paper then the normal vector from that curve changes direction. But this folding is an isometry: we didn't stretch or compress the paper. So $K$ must still be $0$: the paper is still intrinsically flat. But since $K = r_1r_2$ and $r_1 ne 0$ this means that $r_2 = 0$.



      And what this means is that the other principal curvature must be zero. This principal curvature is along the line that goes down the valley of the 'U'. In other words the paper can't bend in the other direction without becoming intrinsically curved ($K ne 0$), which means it needs to stretch.



      (I have still handwaved a bit here: I have not defined how you compute $r$, and I've not shown that there is not some other curve you can draw along the paper which has $r = 0$ apart from the obvious one.)



      One of the reasons that this is all quite interesting is that this maths is the beginning of the maths you need to understand General Relativity, which also is about curvature.



      Failure and folding



      Of course, if you take the U-shaped bit of paper and try to bend it in the other direction at some point it will fail suddenly and become folded in some complicated way. I think there's a whole area of study which thinks about that. I suspect that when this happens (during the sudden failure, not after it I think) there must be, locally, non-zero intrinsic curvature at places on the paper. I'm sure there is a lot of interesting maths about this (apart from anything else it must be very interesting for engineered structures), but I don't know it.






      share|cite|improve this answer











      $endgroup$









      • 11




        $begingroup$
        It's amazing how answering some questions leads you to places you never expected
        $endgroup$
        – CharlieB
        yesterday








      • 14




        $begingroup$
        perhaps it has a little protractor - you have defined my personal idea of bewilderment.
        $endgroup$
        – Dylan
        yesterday






      • 11




        $begingroup$
        @today: this is a good question but it may be too big to answer in a comment. The problem with the blue lines is that they're not straight (technically: not geodesics). You can see this by thinking about blue lines near the poles: as you get closer & closer to the pole they are obviously circles, yet one of the things we want to be true is that on small enough patches of the surface things look like Euclidean geometry. The red lines are geodesics and meet twice. At the equator they are parallel: you could make one from another by dragging it sideways. They are not parallel where they meet.
        $endgroup$
        – tfb
        yesterday






      • 17




        $begingroup$
        This is honestly one of the best answers on this network that I have ever read
        $endgroup$
        – DreamConspiracy
        16 hours ago






      • 10




        $begingroup$
        I need to join this chorus. This is an outstanding piece of science communication. Congratulations!
        $endgroup$
        – Emilio Pisanty
        15 hours ago
















      159












      $begingroup$

      Understanding why this works turns out to be quite deep. This answer is kind of a long story, but there's no maths. At the end ('A more formal approach') there is an outline of how the maths works: skip to that if you don't want the story.



      Insect geometry



      Consider a little insect or something who lives on the surface of the paper. This insect can't see off the paper, but it can draw straight lines and measure angles on the paper.



      How does it draw straight lines? Well it does it in two ways: either it takes two points, draws lines between them on the paper, and finds the shortest line between them, which it calls 'straight'; or alternatively it draws a line in such a way that it is parallel to itself and calls this 'straight'. There is a geometrical trick for constructing such 'parallel-to-themselves' lines which I won't go into. And it turns out that these two sorts of lines are the same.



      I'm not sure how it measures angles: perhaps it has a little protractor.



      So now our insect can do geometry. It can draw various triangles on the paper, and it can measure the angles at the corners of these triangles. And it's always going to find that the angles add up to $pi$ ($180^circ$), of course. You can do this too, and check the insect's results, and many people do just this at school. The insect (let's call it 'Euclid') can develop an entire system of geometry on its sheet of paper, in fact. Other insect artists will make pictures and sculptures of it, and the book on geometry it writes will be used in insect schools for thousands of years. In particular the insect can construct shapes out of straight lines and measure the areas inside them and develop a bunch of rules for this: rectangles have areas which are equal to $w times h$ for instance.



      I didn't specify something above: I didn't tell you if the paper was lying flat on a desk, or if it was curved in your hand. That's because it does not matter to the insect: the insect can't tell whether we think the paper is curved, or whether we think it's flat: the lines and angles it measures are exactly the same. And that's because, in a real sense, the insect is right and we're wrong: the paper is flat, even when we think it's curved. What I mean by this is that there is no measurement you can do, on the surface of the paper which will tell you if it is 'curved' or 'flat'.



      So now shake the paper, and cause one of the insects to fall off and land on a tomato. This insect starts doing its geometry on the surface of the tomato, and it finds something quite shocking: on a small scale everything looks OK, but when it starts trying to construct large figures things go horribly wrong: the angles in its triangles add up to more than $pi$. Lines which start parallel, extended far enough, meet twice, and there is in fact no global notion of parallelism at all. And when it measures the area inside shapes, it finds it is always more than it thinks it should be: somehow there is more tomato inside the shapes than there is paper.



      The tomato, in fact, is curved: without ever leaving the surface of the tomato the insect can know that the surface is somehow deformed. Eventually it can develop a whole theory of tomato geometry, and later some really smart insects with names like 'Gauss' and 'Riemann' will develop a theory which allows them to describe the geometry of curved surfaces in general: tomatoes, pears and so on.



      Intrinsic & extrinsic curvature



      To be really precise, we talk about the sheet of paper being 'intrinsically flat' and the surface of the tomato being 'intrinsically curved': what this means is just that, by doing measurements on the surface alone we can tell if the rules of Euclidean geometry hold or not.



      There is another sort of curvature which is extrinsic curvature: this is the kind of curvature which you can measure only by considering an object as being embedded into some higher-dimensional space. So in the case of sheets of paper, the surfaces of these are two dimensional objects embedded in the three dimensional space where we live. And we can tell whether these surfaces are extrinsically curved by constructing normal vectors to the surfaces and checking whether they all point in the same direction. But the insects can't do this: they can only measure intrinsic curvature.



      And, critically, something can be extrinsically curved while being intrinsically flat. (The converse is not true, at least in the case of paper: if it's intrinsically curved it's extrinsically curved as well.)



      Stretching & compressing



      There's a critical thing about the difference between intrinsically flat and intrinsically curved surfaces which I've mentioned in passing above: the area inside shapes is different. What this means is that the surface is stretched or compressed: in the case of the tomato there is more area inside triangles than there is for flat paper.



      What this means is that, if you want to take an intrinsically flat object and deform it so that it is intrinsically curved, you need to stretch or compress parts of it: if we wanted to take a sheet of paper and curve it over the surface of a sphere, then we would need to stretch & compress it: there is no other way to do it.



      That's not true for extrinsic curvature: if I take a bit of paper and roll it into a cylinder, say, the surface of the paper is not stretched or compressed at all. (In fact, it is a bit because paper is actually a thin three-dimensional object, but ideal two-dimensional paper is not.)



      Why curving paper makes it rigid



      Finally I can answer the question. Paper is pretty resistant to stretching & compressing: if you try and stretch a (dry) sheet of paper it will tear before it has streched really at all, and if you try and compress it it will fold up in some awful way but not compress.



      But paper is really thin so it is not very resistant to bending (because bending it only stretches it a tiny tiny bit, and for our ideal two dimensional paper, it doesn't stretch it at all).



      What this means is that it's easy to curve paper extrinsically but very hard to curve it intrinsically.



      And now I will wave my hands a bit: if you curve paper into a 'U' shape as you have done, then you are curving it only extrinsically: it's still intrinsically flat. So it doesn't mind this, at all. But if it starts curving in the other direction as well, then it will have to curve intrinsically: it will have to stretch or compress. It's easy to see this just be looking at the paper: when it's curved into a 'U' then to curve it in the other direction either the top of the 'U' is going to need to stretch or the bottom is going to need to compress.



      And this is why curving paper like that makes it rigid: it 'uses up' the ability to extrinsically curve the paper so that any further extrinsic curvature involves intrinsic curvature too, which paper does not like to do.



      Why all this is important



      As I said at the start, this is quite a deep question.




      • The mathematics behind this is absolutely fascinating and beautiful while being relatively easy to understand once you have seen it. If you understand it you get some kind of insight into how the minds of people like Gauss worked, which is just lovely.

      • The mathematics and physics behind it turns out to be some of the maths that you need to understand General Relativity, which is a theory all about curvature. So by understanding this properly you are starting on the path to understanding the most beautiful and profound theory of modern physics (I was going to write 'one of the most ...' but no: there's GR and there's everything else).

      • The mathematics and physics behind it also is important in things like engineering: if you want to understand why beams are strong, or why car panels are rigid you need to understand this stuff.

      • And finally it's the same maths: the maths you need to understand various engineered structures is pretty close to the maths you need to understand GR: how cool is that?




      A more formal approach: a remarkable theorem



      The last section above involved some handwaving: the way to make it less handwavy is due to the wonderful Theorema Egregium ('remarkable theorem') due to Gauss. I don't want to go into the complete detail of this (in fact, I'm probably not up to it any more), but the trick you do is, for a two dimensional surface you can construct the normal vector $vec{n}$ in three dimensions (the vector pointing out of the surface), and you can consider how this vector changes direction (in three dimensions) as you move it along various curves on the surface. At any point in the surface there are two curves which pass through it: one on which the vector is changing direction fastest along the curve, and one along which is changing direction slowest (this follows basically from continuity).



      We can construct a number, $r$ which describes how fast the vector is changing direction along a curve (I've completely forgotten how to do that, but I think it's straightforward), and for these two maximum & minimum curves we can call the two rates $r_1$ and $r_2$. $r_1$ & $r_2$ are called the two principal curvatures of the surface.



      Then the quantity $K = r_1r_2$ is called the Gaussian curvature of the surface, and the theorema egregium says that this quantity is intrinsic to the surface: you can measure it just by measuring angles &c on the surface. The reason the theorem is remarkable is that the whole definition of $K$ involved things which are extrinsic to the surface, in particular the two principal curvatures. Because $K$ is intrinsic, our insects can measure it!



      Euclidean geometry is true (in particular the parallel postulate is true) for surfaces where $K = 0$ only.



      And we can now be a bit more precise about the whole 'stretching & compressing' thing I talked about above. If we're not allowed to stretch & compress the sheet of paper, then all the things we are allowed to do to it don't alter any measurement that the insects can do: lengths or angles which are intrinsic, that is to say measured entirely in the surface of the paper, can't change unless you stretch or compress the paper. Changes to the paper which preserve these intrinsic properties are called isometries. And since $K$ is intrinsic it is not altered by isometries.



      Now consider a sheet of paper which is flat in three dimensions. It's obvious that $r_1 = r_2 = 0$ (the normal vector always points in the same direction). So $K = 0$.



      Now fold the paper in a 'U' shape: now it's clear that $r_1 ne 0$ -- if you draw a curve across the valley in the paper then the normal vector from that curve changes direction. But this folding is an isometry: we didn't stretch or compress the paper. So $K$ must still be $0$: the paper is still intrinsically flat. But since $K = r_1r_2$ and $r_1 ne 0$ this means that $r_2 = 0$.



      And what this means is that the other principal curvature must be zero. This principal curvature is along the line that goes down the valley of the 'U'. In other words the paper can't bend in the other direction without becoming intrinsically curved ($K ne 0$), which means it needs to stretch.



      (I have still handwaved a bit here: I have not defined how you compute $r$, and I've not shown that there is not some other curve you can draw along the paper which has $r = 0$ apart from the obvious one.)



      One of the reasons that this is all quite interesting is that this maths is the beginning of the maths you need to understand General Relativity, which also is about curvature.



      Failure and folding



      Of course, if you take the U-shaped bit of paper and try to bend it in the other direction at some point it will fail suddenly and become folded in some complicated way. I think there's a whole area of study which thinks about that. I suspect that when this happens (during the sudden failure, not after it I think) there must be, locally, non-zero intrinsic curvature at places on the paper. I'm sure there is a lot of interesting maths about this (apart from anything else it must be very interesting for engineered structures), but I don't know it.






      share|cite|improve this answer











      $endgroup$









      • 11




        $begingroup$
        It's amazing how answering some questions leads you to places you never expected
        $endgroup$
        – CharlieB
        yesterday








      • 14




        $begingroup$
        perhaps it has a little protractor - you have defined my personal idea of bewilderment.
        $endgroup$
        – Dylan
        yesterday






      • 11




        $begingroup$
        @today: this is a good question but it may be too big to answer in a comment. The problem with the blue lines is that they're not straight (technically: not geodesics). You can see this by thinking about blue lines near the poles: as you get closer & closer to the pole they are obviously circles, yet one of the things we want to be true is that on small enough patches of the surface things look like Euclidean geometry. The red lines are geodesics and meet twice. At the equator they are parallel: you could make one from another by dragging it sideways. They are not parallel where they meet.
        $endgroup$
        – tfb
        yesterday






      • 17




        $begingroup$
        This is honestly one of the best answers on this network that I have ever read
        $endgroup$
        – DreamConspiracy
        16 hours ago






      • 10




        $begingroup$
        I need to join this chorus. This is an outstanding piece of science communication. Congratulations!
        $endgroup$
        – Emilio Pisanty
        15 hours ago














      159












      159








      159





      $begingroup$

      Understanding why this works turns out to be quite deep. This answer is kind of a long story, but there's no maths. At the end ('A more formal approach') there is an outline of how the maths works: skip to that if you don't want the story.



      Insect geometry



      Consider a little insect or something who lives on the surface of the paper. This insect can't see off the paper, but it can draw straight lines and measure angles on the paper.



      How does it draw straight lines? Well it does it in two ways: either it takes two points, draws lines between them on the paper, and finds the shortest line between them, which it calls 'straight'; or alternatively it draws a line in such a way that it is parallel to itself and calls this 'straight'. There is a geometrical trick for constructing such 'parallel-to-themselves' lines which I won't go into. And it turns out that these two sorts of lines are the same.



      I'm not sure how it measures angles: perhaps it has a little protractor.



      So now our insect can do geometry. It can draw various triangles on the paper, and it can measure the angles at the corners of these triangles. And it's always going to find that the angles add up to $pi$ ($180^circ$), of course. You can do this too, and check the insect's results, and many people do just this at school. The insect (let's call it 'Euclid') can develop an entire system of geometry on its sheet of paper, in fact. Other insect artists will make pictures and sculptures of it, and the book on geometry it writes will be used in insect schools for thousands of years. In particular the insect can construct shapes out of straight lines and measure the areas inside them and develop a bunch of rules for this: rectangles have areas which are equal to $w times h$ for instance.



      I didn't specify something above: I didn't tell you if the paper was lying flat on a desk, or if it was curved in your hand. That's because it does not matter to the insect: the insect can't tell whether we think the paper is curved, or whether we think it's flat: the lines and angles it measures are exactly the same. And that's because, in a real sense, the insect is right and we're wrong: the paper is flat, even when we think it's curved. What I mean by this is that there is no measurement you can do, on the surface of the paper which will tell you if it is 'curved' or 'flat'.



      So now shake the paper, and cause one of the insects to fall off and land on a tomato. This insect starts doing its geometry on the surface of the tomato, and it finds something quite shocking: on a small scale everything looks OK, but when it starts trying to construct large figures things go horribly wrong: the angles in its triangles add up to more than $pi$. Lines which start parallel, extended far enough, meet twice, and there is in fact no global notion of parallelism at all. And when it measures the area inside shapes, it finds it is always more than it thinks it should be: somehow there is more tomato inside the shapes than there is paper.



      The tomato, in fact, is curved: without ever leaving the surface of the tomato the insect can know that the surface is somehow deformed. Eventually it can develop a whole theory of tomato geometry, and later some really smart insects with names like 'Gauss' and 'Riemann' will develop a theory which allows them to describe the geometry of curved surfaces in general: tomatoes, pears and so on.



      Intrinsic & extrinsic curvature



      To be really precise, we talk about the sheet of paper being 'intrinsically flat' and the surface of the tomato being 'intrinsically curved': what this means is just that, by doing measurements on the surface alone we can tell if the rules of Euclidean geometry hold or not.



      There is another sort of curvature which is extrinsic curvature: this is the kind of curvature which you can measure only by considering an object as being embedded into some higher-dimensional space. So in the case of sheets of paper, the surfaces of these are two dimensional objects embedded in the three dimensional space where we live. And we can tell whether these surfaces are extrinsically curved by constructing normal vectors to the surfaces and checking whether they all point in the same direction. But the insects can't do this: they can only measure intrinsic curvature.



      And, critically, something can be extrinsically curved while being intrinsically flat. (The converse is not true, at least in the case of paper: if it's intrinsically curved it's extrinsically curved as well.)



      Stretching & compressing



      There's a critical thing about the difference between intrinsically flat and intrinsically curved surfaces which I've mentioned in passing above: the area inside shapes is different. What this means is that the surface is stretched or compressed: in the case of the tomato there is more area inside triangles than there is for flat paper.



      What this means is that, if you want to take an intrinsically flat object and deform it so that it is intrinsically curved, you need to stretch or compress parts of it: if we wanted to take a sheet of paper and curve it over the surface of a sphere, then we would need to stretch & compress it: there is no other way to do it.



      That's not true for extrinsic curvature: if I take a bit of paper and roll it into a cylinder, say, the surface of the paper is not stretched or compressed at all. (In fact, it is a bit because paper is actually a thin three-dimensional object, but ideal two-dimensional paper is not.)



      Why curving paper makes it rigid



      Finally I can answer the question. Paper is pretty resistant to stretching & compressing: if you try and stretch a (dry) sheet of paper it will tear before it has streched really at all, and if you try and compress it it will fold up in some awful way but not compress.



      But paper is really thin so it is not very resistant to bending (because bending it only stretches it a tiny tiny bit, and for our ideal two dimensional paper, it doesn't stretch it at all).



      What this means is that it's easy to curve paper extrinsically but very hard to curve it intrinsically.



      And now I will wave my hands a bit: if you curve paper into a 'U' shape as you have done, then you are curving it only extrinsically: it's still intrinsically flat. So it doesn't mind this, at all. But if it starts curving in the other direction as well, then it will have to curve intrinsically: it will have to stretch or compress. It's easy to see this just be looking at the paper: when it's curved into a 'U' then to curve it in the other direction either the top of the 'U' is going to need to stretch or the bottom is going to need to compress.



      And this is why curving paper like that makes it rigid: it 'uses up' the ability to extrinsically curve the paper so that any further extrinsic curvature involves intrinsic curvature too, which paper does not like to do.



      Why all this is important



      As I said at the start, this is quite a deep question.




      • The mathematics behind this is absolutely fascinating and beautiful while being relatively easy to understand once you have seen it. If you understand it you get some kind of insight into how the minds of people like Gauss worked, which is just lovely.

      • The mathematics and physics behind it turns out to be some of the maths that you need to understand General Relativity, which is a theory all about curvature. So by understanding this properly you are starting on the path to understanding the most beautiful and profound theory of modern physics (I was going to write 'one of the most ...' but no: there's GR and there's everything else).

      • The mathematics and physics behind it also is important in things like engineering: if you want to understand why beams are strong, or why car panels are rigid you need to understand this stuff.

      • And finally it's the same maths: the maths you need to understand various engineered structures is pretty close to the maths you need to understand GR: how cool is that?




      A more formal approach: a remarkable theorem



      The last section above involved some handwaving: the way to make it less handwavy is due to the wonderful Theorema Egregium ('remarkable theorem') due to Gauss. I don't want to go into the complete detail of this (in fact, I'm probably not up to it any more), but the trick you do is, for a two dimensional surface you can construct the normal vector $vec{n}$ in three dimensions (the vector pointing out of the surface), and you can consider how this vector changes direction (in three dimensions) as you move it along various curves on the surface. At any point in the surface there are two curves which pass through it: one on which the vector is changing direction fastest along the curve, and one along which is changing direction slowest (this follows basically from continuity).



      We can construct a number, $r$ which describes how fast the vector is changing direction along a curve (I've completely forgotten how to do that, but I think it's straightforward), and for these two maximum & minimum curves we can call the two rates $r_1$ and $r_2$. $r_1$ & $r_2$ are called the two principal curvatures of the surface.



      Then the quantity $K = r_1r_2$ is called the Gaussian curvature of the surface, and the theorema egregium says that this quantity is intrinsic to the surface: you can measure it just by measuring angles &c on the surface. The reason the theorem is remarkable is that the whole definition of $K$ involved things which are extrinsic to the surface, in particular the two principal curvatures. Because $K$ is intrinsic, our insects can measure it!



      Euclidean geometry is true (in particular the parallel postulate is true) for surfaces where $K = 0$ only.



      And we can now be a bit more precise about the whole 'stretching & compressing' thing I talked about above. If we're not allowed to stretch & compress the sheet of paper, then all the things we are allowed to do to it don't alter any measurement that the insects can do: lengths or angles which are intrinsic, that is to say measured entirely in the surface of the paper, can't change unless you stretch or compress the paper. Changes to the paper which preserve these intrinsic properties are called isometries. And since $K$ is intrinsic it is not altered by isometries.



      Now consider a sheet of paper which is flat in three dimensions. It's obvious that $r_1 = r_2 = 0$ (the normal vector always points in the same direction). So $K = 0$.



      Now fold the paper in a 'U' shape: now it's clear that $r_1 ne 0$ -- if you draw a curve across the valley in the paper then the normal vector from that curve changes direction. But this folding is an isometry: we didn't stretch or compress the paper. So $K$ must still be $0$: the paper is still intrinsically flat. But since $K = r_1r_2$ and $r_1 ne 0$ this means that $r_2 = 0$.



      And what this means is that the other principal curvature must be zero. This principal curvature is along the line that goes down the valley of the 'U'. In other words the paper can't bend in the other direction without becoming intrinsically curved ($K ne 0$), which means it needs to stretch.



      (I have still handwaved a bit here: I have not defined how you compute $r$, and I've not shown that there is not some other curve you can draw along the paper which has $r = 0$ apart from the obvious one.)



      One of the reasons that this is all quite interesting is that this maths is the beginning of the maths you need to understand General Relativity, which also is about curvature.



      Failure and folding



      Of course, if you take the U-shaped bit of paper and try to bend it in the other direction at some point it will fail suddenly and become folded in some complicated way. I think there's a whole area of study which thinks about that. I suspect that when this happens (during the sudden failure, not after it I think) there must be, locally, non-zero intrinsic curvature at places on the paper. I'm sure there is a lot of interesting maths about this (apart from anything else it must be very interesting for engineered structures), but I don't know it.






      share|cite|improve this answer











      $endgroup$



      Understanding why this works turns out to be quite deep. This answer is kind of a long story, but there's no maths. At the end ('A more formal approach') there is an outline of how the maths works: skip to that if you don't want the story.



      Insect geometry



      Consider a little insect or something who lives on the surface of the paper. This insect can't see off the paper, but it can draw straight lines and measure angles on the paper.



      How does it draw straight lines? Well it does it in two ways: either it takes two points, draws lines between them on the paper, and finds the shortest line between them, which it calls 'straight'; or alternatively it draws a line in such a way that it is parallel to itself and calls this 'straight'. There is a geometrical trick for constructing such 'parallel-to-themselves' lines which I won't go into. And it turns out that these two sorts of lines are the same.



      I'm not sure how it measures angles: perhaps it has a little protractor.



      So now our insect can do geometry. It can draw various triangles on the paper, and it can measure the angles at the corners of these triangles. And it's always going to find that the angles add up to $pi$ ($180^circ$), of course. You can do this too, and check the insect's results, and many people do just this at school. The insect (let's call it 'Euclid') can develop an entire system of geometry on its sheet of paper, in fact. Other insect artists will make pictures and sculptures of it, and the book on geometry it writes will be used in insect schools for thousands of years. In particular the insect can construct shapes out of straight lines and measure the areas inside them and develop a bunch of rules for this: rectangles have areas which are equal to $w times h$ for instance.



      I didn't specify something above: I didn't tell you if the paper was lying flat on a desk, or if it was curved in your hand. That's because it does not matter to the insect: the insect can't tell whether we think the paper is curved, or whether we think it's flat: the lines and angles it measures are exactly the same. And that's because, in a real sense, the insect is right and we're wrong: the paper is flat, even when we think it's curved. What I mean by this is that there is no measurement you can do, on the surface of the paper which will tell you if it is 'curved' or 'flat'.



      So now shake the paper, and cause one of the insects to fall off and land on a tomato. This insect starts doing its geometry on the surface of the tomato, and it finds something quite shocking: on a small scale everything looks OK, but when it starts trying to construct large figures things go horribly wrong: the angles in its triangles add up to more than $pi$. Lines which start parallel, extended far enough, meet twice, and there is in fact no global notion of parallelism at all. And when it measures the area inside shapes, it finds it is always more than it thinks it should be: somehow there is more tomato inside the shapes than there is paper.



      The tomato, in fact, is curved: without ever leaving the surface of the tomato the insect can know that the surface is somehow deformed. Eventually it can develop a whole theory of tomato geometry, and later some really smart insects with names like 'Gauss' and 'Riemann' will develop a theory which allows them to describe the geometry of curved surfaces in general: tomatoes, pears and so on.



      Intrinsic & extrinsic curvature



      To be really precise, we talk about the sheet of paper being 'intrinsically flat' and the surface of the tomato being 'intrinsically curved': what this means is just that, by doing measurements on the surface alone we can tell if the rules of Euclidean geometry hold or not.



      There is another sort of curvature which is extrinsic curvature: this is the kind of curvature which you can measure only by considering an object as being embedded into some higher-dimensional space. So in the case of sheets of paper, the surfaces of these are two dimensional objects embedded in the three dimensional space where we live. And we can tell whether these surfaces are extrinsically curved by constructing normal vectors to the surfaces and checking whether they all point in the same direction. But the insects can't do this: they can only measure intrinsic curvature.



      And, critically, something can be extrinsically curved while being intrinsically flat. (The converse is not true, at least in the case of paper: if it's intrinsically curved it's extrinsically curved as well.)



      Stretching & compressing



      There's a critical thing about the difference between intrinsically flat and intrinsically curved surfaces which I've mentioned in passing above: the area inside shapes is different. What this means is that the surface is stretched or compressed: in the case of the tomato there is more area inside triangles than there is for flat paper.



      What this means is that, if you want to take an intrinsically flat object and deform it so that it is intrinsically curved, you need to stretch or compress parts of it: if we wanted to take a sheet of paper and curve it over the surface of a sphere, then we would need to stretch & compress it: there is no other way to do it.



      That's not true for extrinsic curvature: if I take a bit of paper and roll it into a cylinder, say, the surface of the paper is not stretched or compressed at all. (In fact, it is a bit because paper is actually a thin three-dimensional object, but ideal two-dimensional paper is not.)



      Why curving paper makes it rigid



      Finally I can answer the question. Paper is pretty resistant to stretching & compressing: if you try and stretch a (dry) sheet of paper it will tear before it has streched really at all, and if you try and compress it it will fold up in some awful way but not compress.



      But paper is really thin so it is not very resistant to bending (because bending it only stretches it a tiny tiny bit, and for our ideal two dimensional paper, it doesn't stretch it at all).



      What this means is that it's easy to curve paper extrinsically but very hard to curve it intrinsically.



      And now I will wave my hands a bit: if you curve paper into a 'U' shape as you have done, then you are curving it only extrinsically: it's still intrinsically flat. So it doesn't mind this, at all. But if it starts curving in the other direction as well, then it will have to curve intrinsically: it will have to stretch or compress. It's easy to see this just be looking at the paper: when it's curved into a 'U' then to curve it in the other direction either the top of the 'U' is going to need to stretch or the bottom is going to need to compress.



      And this is why curving paper like that makes it rigid: it 'uses up' the ability to extrinsically curve the paper so that any further extrinsic curvature involves intrinsic curvature too, which paper does not like to do.



      Why all this is important



      As I said at the start, this is quite a deep question.




      • The mathematics behind this is absolutely fascinating and beautiful while being relatively easy to understand once you have seen it. If you understand it you get some kind of insight into how the minds of people like Gauss worked, which is just lovely.

      • The mathematics and physics behind it turns out to be some of the maths that you need to understand General Relativity, which is a theory all about curvature. So by understanding this properly you are starting on the path to understanding the most beautiful and profound theory of modern physics (I was going to write 'one of the most ...' but no: there's GR and there's everything else).

      • The mathematics and physics behind it also is important in things like engineering: if you want to understand why beams are strong, or why car panels are rigid you need to understand this stuff.

      • And finally it's the same maths: the maths you need to understand various engineered structures is pretty close to the maths you need to understand GR: how cool is that?




      A more formal approach: a remarkable theorem



      The last section above involved some handwaving: the way to make it less handwavy is due to the wonderful Theorema Egregium ('remarkable theorem') due to Gauss. I don't want to go into the complete detail of this (in fact, I'm probably not up to it any more), but the trick you do is, for a two dimensional surface you can construct the normal vector $vec{n}$ in three dimensions (the vector pointing out of the surface), and you can consider how this vector changes direction (in three dimensions) as you move it along various curves on the surface. At any point in the surface there are two curves which pass through it: one on which the vector is changing direction fastest along the curve, and one along which is changing direction slowest (this follows basically from continuity).



      We can construct a number, $r$ which describes how fast the vector is changing direction along a curve (I've completely forgotten how to do that, but I think it's straightforward), and for these two maximum & minimum curves we can call the two rates $r_1$ and $r_2$. $r_1$ & $r_2$ are called the two principal curvatures of the surface.



      Then the quantity $K = r_1r_2$ is called the Gaussian curvature of the surface, and the theorema egregium says that this quantity is intrinsic to the surface: you can measure it just by measuring angles &c on the surface. The reason the theorem is remarkable is that the whole definition of $K$ involved things which are extrinsic to the surface, in particular the two principal curvatures. Because $K$ is intrinsic, our insects can measure it!



      Euclidean geometry is true (in particular the parallel postulate is true) for surfaces where $K = 0$ only.



      And we can now be a bit more precise about the whole 'stretching & compressing' thing I talked about above. If we're not allowed to stretch & compress the sheet of paper, then all the things we are allowed to do to it don't alter any measurement that the insects can do: lengths or angles which are intrinsic, that is to say measured entirely in the surface of the paper, can't change unless you stretch or compress the paper. Changes to the paper which preserve these intrinsic properties are called isometries. And since $K$ is intrinsic it is not altered by isometries.



      Now consider a sheet of paper which is flat in three dimensions. It's obvious that $r_1 = r_2 = 0$ (the normal vector always points in the same direction). So $K = 0$.



      Now fold the paper in a 'U' shape: now it's clear that $r_1 ne 0$ -- if you draw a curve across the valley in the paper then the normal vector from that curve changes direction. But this folding is an isometry: we didn't stretch or compress the paper. So $K$ must still be $0$: the paper is still intrinsically flat. But since $K = r_1r_2$ and $r_1 ne 0$ this means that $r_2 = 0$.



      And what this means is that the other principal curvature must be zero. This principal curvature is along the line that goes down the valley of the 'U'. In other words the paper can't bend in the other direction without becoming intrinsically curved ($K ne 0$), which means it needs to stretch.



      (I have still handwaved a bit here: I have not defined how you compute $r$, and I've not shown that there is not some other curve you can draw along the paper which has $r = 0$ apart from the obvious one.)



      One of the reasons that this is all quite interesting is that this maths is the beginning of the maths you need to understand General Relativity, which also is about curvature.



      Failure and folding



      Of course, if you take the U-shaped bit of paper and try to bend it in the other direction at some point it will fail suddenly and become folded in some complicated way. I think there's a whole area of study which thinks about that. I suspect that when this happens (during the sudden failure, not after it I think) there must be, locally, non-zero intrinsic curvature at places on the paper. I'm sure there is a lot of interesting maths about this (apart from anything else it must be very interesting for engineered structures), but I don't know it.







      share|cite|improve this answer














      share|cite|improve this answer



      share|cite|improve this answer








      edited 13 hours ago

























      answered yesterday









      tfbtfb

      16.5k53553




      16.5k53553








      • 11




        $begingroup$
        It's amazing how answering some questions leads you to places you never expected
        $endgroup$
        – CharlieB
        yesterday








      • 14




        $begingroup$
        perhaps it has a little protractor - you have defined my personal idea of bewilderment.
        $endgroup$
        – Dylan
        yesterday






      • 11




        $begingroup$
        @today: this is a good question but it may be too big to answer in a comment. The problem with the blue lines is that they're not straight (technically: not geodesics). You can see this by thinking about blue lines near the poles: as you get closer & closer to the pole they are obviously circles, yet one of the things we want to be true is that on small enough patches of the surface things look like Euclidean geometry. The red lines are geodesics and meet twice. At the equator they are parallel: you could make one from another by dragging it sideways. They are not parallel where they meet.
        $endgroup$
        – tfb
        yesterday






      • 17




        $begingroup$
        This is honestly one of the best answers on this network that I have ever read
        $endgroup$
        – DreamConspiracy
        16 hours ago






      • 10




        $begingroup$
        I need to join this chorus. This is an outstanding piece of science communication. Congratulations!
        $endgroup$
        – Emilio Pisanty
        15 hours ago














      • 11




        $begingroup$
        It's amazing how answering some questions leads you to places you never expected
        $endgroup$
        – CharlieB
        yesterday








      • 14




        $begingroup$
        perhaps it has a little protractor - you have defined my personal idea of bewilderment.
        $endgroup$
        – Dylan
        yesterday






      • 11




        $begingroup$
        @today: this is a good question but it may be too big to answer in a comment. The problem with the blue lines is that they're not straight (technically: not geodesics). You can see this by thinking about blue lines near the poles: as you get closer & closer to the pole they are obviously circles, yet one of the things we want to be true is that on small enough patches of the surface things look like Euclidean geometry. The red lines are geodesics and meet twice. At the equator they are parallel: you could make one from another by dragging it sideways. They are not parallel where they meet.
        $endgroup$
        – tfb
        yesterday






      • 17




        $begingroup$
        This is honestly one of the best answers on this network that I have ever read
        $endgroup$
        – DreamConspiracy
        16 hours ago






      • 10




        $begingroup$
        I need to join this chorus. This is an outstanding piece of science communication. Congratulations!
        $endgroup$
        – Emilio Pisanty
        15 hours ago








      11




      11




      $begingroup$
      It's amazing how answering some questions leads you to places you never expected
      $endgroup$
      – CharlieB
      yesterday






      $begingroup$
      It's amazing how answering some questions leads you to places you never expected
      $endgroup$
      – CharlieB
      yesterday






      14




      14




      $begingroup$
      perhaps it has a little protractor - you have defined my personal idea of bewilderment.
      $endgroup$
      – Dylan
      yesterday




      $begingroup$
      perhaps it has a little protractor - you have defined my personal idea of bewilderment.
      $endgroup$
      – Dylan
      yesterday




      11




      11




      $begingroup$
      @today: this is a good question but it may be too big to answer in a comment. The problem with the blue lines is that they're not straight (technically: not geodesics). You can see this by thinking about blue lines near the poles: as you get closer & closer to the pole they are obviously circles, yet one of the things we want to be true is that on small enough patches of the surface things look like Euclidean geometry. The red lines are geodesics and meet twice. At the equator they are parallel: you could make one from another by dragging it sideways. They are not parallel where they meet.
      $endgroup$
      – tfb
      yesterday




      $begingroup$
      @today: this is a good question but it may be too big to answer in a comment. The problem with the blue lines is that they're not straight (technically: not geodesics). You can see this by thinking about blue lines near the poles: as you get closer & closer to the pole they are obviously circles, yet one of the things we want to be true is that on small enough patches of the surface things look like Euclidean geometry. The red lines are geodesics and meet twice. At the equator they are parallel: you could make one from another by dragging it sideways. They are not parallel where they meet.
      $endgroup$
      – tfb
      yesterday




      17




      17




      $begingroup$
      This is honestly one of the best answers on this network that I have ever read
      $endgroup$
      – DreamConspiracy
      16 hours ago




      $begingroup$
      This is honestly one of the best answers on this network that I have ever read
      $endgroup$
      – DreamConspiracy
      16 hours ago




      10




      10




      $begingroup$
      I need to join this chorus. This is an outstanding piece of science communication. Congratulations!
      $endgroup$
      – Emilio Pisanty
      15 hours ago




      $begingroup$
      I need to join this chorus. This is an outstanding piece of science communication. Congratulations!
      $endgroup$
      – Emilio Pisanty
      15 hours ago











      17












      $begingroup$

      You have essentially discovered principles behind bending moments and structural engineering.



      As another poster stated, physically the structure you made is stronger, because to bend something (for example, a beam loaded at the top) layers at the top are compressed whereas layers at the bottom are stretched. This is simply due to geometry and the physical nature of materials. In short, the load (force) is being transformed from a direction normal to the beam, to an internal force—longitudinal stress. More specifically, the applied load (from weight, gravity, whatever) results in a bending moment in the member, this bending moment manifests as internal stresses (tensile and compressive forces) inside the member that resists the bending of equal magnitude.



      enter image description here



      Some primers on forces: compression and tension are the same thing, just different "directions" ie: if compression is -1 or -2, then tension will be 1 or 2. Knowing that, and knowing that the top of the member is in compression and the bottom is in tension, we can reason that there is a force distribution across the member. And I think the most important part to your question is that since the force distribution goes from -x to +x across the member, there must be some point where x = 0 (the neutral surface). In the picture below the stress (green arrows) at some point cross 0.



      enter image description here



      Therefore, we can observe that maximum stresses occur at the edges, top and bottom of the beam in our example. This principle is precisely how and why I-beams work. The strength of the member comes from the material properties of the material (its ability to resist compression or tension (stretching)). That means something like a steel beam will be limited in its ability to resist bending by the calculation of tensile load at the surface. Physically that equation is (for the $x$ direction):



      $sigma_{x}=-frac{y}{c}sigma_{m}$



      Where $c$ is the neutral surface (the imaginary plane where $sigma_{x}=0$) and $y$ is the distance from the neutral surface, and $sigma_{m}$ is the maximum absolute value of the stress in the member.



      In layman's terms, the height of the beam is the driving factor in it's strength, not the thickness. But in the plane that is experiencing maximum loads (tension and compression) thickness there will give you more strength. This results in the classic I-beam shape.



      enter image description here



      What does all of this have to do with paper?



      When the OP orients the paper horizontally (flat), the height of the paper relative to the neutral surface is basically 0. IE we can consider that the entire paper IS a neutral surface. That means it literally cannot resist any bending. Flip the paper 90 degrees and now all of the paper is height, and all of the paper can resist bending and it cannot be bent. It will usually buckle or tear before bending.



      enter image description here



      The curved shape OP creates, is exploiting the all the concepts we covered here. Instead of making an I shape, OP makes a C-shape which leads to the idea of exploiting thin materials by using corrugation to add incredible strength while keeping weight low. For example, the inside layers of a cardboard box are corrugated or folded into little curved shapes to resist bending. So we can use less material to achieve much higher strengths.



      enter image description here



      enter image description here






      share|cite|improve this answer











      $endgroup$









      • 9




        $begingroup$
        To me, this doesn't really explain anything about why this, or I-beams work. Why does a force distribution across the sheet allow it to reduce bending moments in a different direction? You've explained what bending moments are; but you didn't explain why bending paper adds stability in another direction, or how this relates to I-beams. Your explanation for how I-beams "work" is seriously lacking. All you've said is that your bending the top and compressing the bottom. I would argue that this makes the I-beam weaker than the unstressed I-beam, in a general sense.
        $endgroup$
        – JMac
        yesterday






      • 1




        $begingroup$
        The point isn't that the moment is reduced, so much as the force (stress). Roughly speaking moments are $r times F$, so increasing $r$ from 'thickness of paper' to 'height of curve in paper' reduces the force in the paper needed to counteract its own weight. engineering.stackexchange.com/questions/68/… is the same principle.
        $endgroup$
        – patstew
        15 hours ago








      • 1




        $begingroup$
        @patstew I don't think the "height of curve" is really that relevant. It's really more geometrical, as shown in tfb's answer. Consider that you could get the same height by sandwiching two pieces of cardboard with straight pieces of cardboard between, and still get the same $r$. It's important how the corrugation effects stability in other directions as well.
        $endgroup$
        – JMac
        13 hours ago








      • 1




        $begingroup$
        I was going to +1 this answer as I was reading it, up until I noticed that you did not explain why the corrugations give increased strength, which is the essence of the OPs question. If you can amend your answer with that explanation you get the +1.
        $endgroup$
        – Alopex
        13 hours ago






      • 2




        $begingroup$
        @patstew The wavyness is important to its structure. The "corrugated" plastic that you're talking about introduces another failure mode. It's a lot more susceptible to buckling in the vertical members because they have no curvature at all. It's fairly easy to get the squares to buckle compared to actual corrugation.
        $endgroup$
        – JMac
        12 hours ago
















      17












      $begingroup$

      You have essentially discovered principles behind bending moments and structural engineering.



      As another poster stated, physically the structure you made is stronger, because to bend something (for example, a beam loaded at the top) layers at the top are compressed whereas layers at the bottom are stretched. This is simply due to geometry and the physical nature of materials. In short, the load (force) is being transformed from a direction normal to the beam, to an internal force—longitudinal stress. More specifically, the applied load (from weight, gravity, whatever) results in a bending moment in the member, this bending moment manifests as internal stresses (tensile and compressive forces) inside the member that resists the bending of equal magnitude.



      enter image description here



      Some primers on forces: compression and tension are the same thing, just different "directions" ie: if compression is -1 or -2, then tension will be 1 or 2. Knowing that, and knowing that the top of the member is in compression and the bottom is in tension, we can reason that there is a force distribution across the member. And I think the most important part to your question is that since the force distribution goes from -x to +x across the member, there must be some point where x = 0 (the neutral surface). In the picture below the stress (green arrows) at some point cross 0.



      enter image description here



      Therefore, we can observe that maximum stresses occur at the edges, top and bottom of the beam in our example. This principle is precisely how and why I-beams work. The strength of the member comes from the material properties of the material (its ability to resist compression or tension (stretching)). That means something like a steel beam will be limited in its ability to resist bending by the calculation of tensile load at the surface. Physically that equation is (for the $x$ direction):



      $sigma_{x}=-frac{y}{c}sigma_{m}$



      Where $c$ is the neutral surface (the imaginary plane where $sigma_{x}=0$) and $y$ is the distance from the neutral surface, and $sigma_{m}$ is the maximum absolute value of the stress in the member.



      In layman's terms, the height of the beam is the driving factor in it's strength, not the thickness. But in the plane that is experiencing maximum loads (tension and compression) thickness there will give you more strength. This results in the classic I-beam shape.



      enter image description here



      What does all of this have to do with paper?



      When the OP orients the paper horizontally (flat), the height of the paper relative to the neutral surface is basically 0. IE we can consider that the entire paper IS a neutral surface. That means it literally cannot resist any bending. Flip the paper 90 degrees and now all of the paper is height, and all of the paper can resist bending and it cannot be bent. It will usually buckle or tear before bending.



      enter image description here



      The curved shape OP creates, is exploiting the all the concepts we covered here. Instead of making an I shape, OP makes a C-shape which leads to the idea of exploiting thin materials by using corrugation to add incredible strength while keeping weight low. For example, the inside layers of a cardboard box are corrugated or folded into little curved shapes to resist bending. So we can use less material to achieve much higher strengths.



      enter image description here



      enter image description here






      share|cite|improve this answer











      $endgroup$









      • 9




        $begingroup$
        To me, this doesn't really explain anything about why this, or I-beams work. Why does a force distribution across the sheet allow it to reduce bending moments in a different direction? You've explained what bending moments are; but you didn't explain why bending paper adds stability in another direction, or how this relates to I-beams. Your explanation for how I-beams "work" is seriously lacking. All you've said is that your bending the top and compressing the bottom. I would argue that this makes the I-beam weaker than the unstressed I-beam, in a general sense.
        $endgroup$
        – JMac
        yesterday






      • 1




        $begingroup$
        The point isn't that the moment is reduced, so much as the force (stress). Roughly speaking moments are $r times F$, so increasing $r$ from 'thickness of paper' to 'height of curve in paper' reduces the force in the paper needed to counteract its own weight. engineering.stackexchange.com/questions/68/… is the same principle.
        $endgroup$
        – patstew
        15 hours ago








      • 1




        $begingroup$
        @patstew I don't think the "height of curve" is really that relevant. It's really more geometrical, as shown in tfb's answer. Consider that you could get the same height by sandwiching two pieces of cardboard with straight pieces of cardboard between, and still get the same $r$. It's important how the corrugation effects stability in other directions as well.
        $endgroup$
        – JMac
        13 hours ago








      • 1




        $begingroup$
        I was going to +1 this answer as I was reading it, up until I noticed that you did not explain why the corrugations give increased strength, which is the essence of the OPs question. If you can amend your answer with that explanation you get the +1.
        $endgroup$
        – Alopex
        13 hours ago






      • 2




        $begingroup$
        @patstew The wavyness is important to its structure. The "corrugated" plastic that you're talking about introduces another failure mode. It's a lot more susceptible to buckling in the vertical members because they have no curvature at all. It's fairly easy to get the squares to buckle compared to actual corrugation.
        $endgroup$
        – JMac
        12 hours ago














      17












      17








      17





      $begingroup$

      You have essentially discovered principles behind bending moments and structural engineering.



      As another poster stated, physically the structure you made is stronger, because to bend something (for example, a beam loaded at the top) layers at the top are compressed whereas layers at the bottom are stretched. This is simply due to geometry and the physical nature of materials. In short, the load (force) is being transformed from a direction normal to the beam, to an internal force—longitudinal stress. More specifically, the applied load (from weight, gravity, whatever) results in a bending moment in the member, this bending moment manifests as internal stresses (tensile and compressive forces) inside the member that resists the bending of equal magnitude.



      enter image description here



      Some primers on forces: compression and tension are the same thing, just different "directions" ie: if compression is -1 or -2, then tension will be 1 or 2. Knowing that, and knowing that the top of the member is in compression and the bottom is in tension, we can reason that there is a force distribution across the member. And I think the most important part to your question is that since the force distribution goes from -x to +x across the member, there must be some point where x = 0 (the neutral surface). In the picture below the stress (green arrows) at some point cross 0.



      enter image description here



      Therefore, we can observe that maximum stresses occur at the edges, top and bottom of the beam in our example. This principle is precisely how and why I-beams work. The strength of the member comes from the material properties of the material (its ability to resist compression or tension (stretching)). That means something like a steel beam will be limited in its ability to resist bending by the calculation of tensile load at the surface. Physically that equation is (for the $x$ direction):



      $sigma_{x}=-frac{y}{c}sigma_{m}$



      Where $c$ is the neutral surface (the imaginary plane where $sigma_{x}=0$) and $y$ is the distance from the neutral surface, and $sigma_{m}$ is the maximum absolute value of the stress in the member.



      In layman's terms, the height of the beam is the driving factor in it's strength, not the thickness. But in the plane that is experiencing maximum loads (tension and compression) thickness there will give you more strength. This results in the classic I-beam shape.



      enter image description here



      What does all of this have to do with paper?



      When the OP orients the paper horizontally (flat), the height of the paper relative to the neutral surface is basically 0. IE we can consider that the entire paper IS a neutral surface. That means it literally cannot resist any bending. Flip the paper 90 degrees and now all of the paper is height, and all of the paper can resist bending and it cannot be bent. It will usually buckle or tear before bending.



      enter image description here



      The curved shape OP creates, is exploiting the all the concepts we covered here. Instead of making an I shape, OP makes a C-shape which leads to the idea of exploiting thin materials by using corrugation to add incredible strength while keeping weight low. For example, the inside layers of a cardboard box are corrugated or folded into little curved shapes to resist bending. So we can use less material to achieve much higher strengths.



      enter image description here



      enter image description here






      share|cite|improve this answer











      $endgroup$



      You have essentially discovered principles behind bending moments and structural engineering.



      As another poster stated, physically the structure you made is stronger, because to bend something (for example, a beam loaded at the top) layers at the top are compressed whereas layers at the bottom are stretched. This is simply due to geometry and the physical nature of materials. In short, the load (force) is being transformed from a direction normal to the beam, to an internal force—longitudinal stress. More specifically, the applied load (from weight, gravity, whatever) results in a bending moment in the member, this bending moment manifests as internal stresses (tensile and compressive forces) inside the member that resists the bending of equal magnitude.



      enter image description here



      Some primers on forces: compression and tension are the same thing, just different "directions" ie: if compression is -1 or -2, then tension will be 1 or 2. Knowing that, and knowing that the top of the member is in compression and the bottom is in tension, we can reason that there is a force distribution across the member. And I think the most important part to your question is that since the force distribution goes from -x to +x across the member, there must be some point where x = 0 (the neutral surface). In the picture below the stress (green arrows) at some point cross 0.



      enter image description here



      Therefore, we can observe that maximum stresses occur at the edges, top and bottom of the beam in our example. This principle is precisely how and why I-beams work. The strength of the member comes from the material properties of the material (its ability to resist compression or tension (stretching)). That means something like a steel beam will be limited in its ability to resist bending by the calculation of tensile load at the surface. Physically that equation is (for the $x$ direction):



      $sigma_{x}=-frac{y}{c}sigma_{m}$



      Where $c$ is the neutral surface (the imaginary plane where $sigma_{x}=0$) and $y$ is the distance from the neutral surface, and $sigma_{m}$ is the maximum absolute value of the stress in the member.



      In layman's terms, the height of the beam is the driving factor in it's strength, not the thickness. But in the plane that is experiencing maximum loads (tension and compression) thickness there will give you more strength. This results in the classic I-beam shape.



      enter image description here



      What does all of this have to do with paper?



      When the OP orients the paper horizontally (flat), the height of the paper relative to the neutral surface is basically 0. IE we can consider that the entire paper IS a neutral surface. That means it literally cannot resist any bending. Flip the paper 90 degrees and now all of the paper is height, and all of the paper can resist bending and it cannot be bent. It will usually buckle or tear before bending.



      enter image description here



      The curved shape OP creates, is exploiting the all the concepts we covered here. Instead of making an I shape, OP makes a C-shape which leads to the idea of exploiting thin materials by using corrugation to add incredible strength while keeping weight low. For example, the inside layers of a cardboard box are corrugated or folded into little curved shapes to resist bending. So we can use less material to achieve much higher strengths.



      enter image description here



      enter image description here







      share|cite|improve this answer














      share|cite|improve this answer



      share|cite|improve this answer








      edited 7 hours ago

























      answered yesterday









      JamesJames

      1,46258




      1,46258








      • 9




        $begingroup$
        To me, this doesn't really explain anything about why this, or I-beams work. Why does a force distribution across the sheet allow it to reduce bending moments in a different direction? You've explained what bending moments are; but you didn't explain why bending paper adds stability in another direction, or how this relates to I-beams. Your explanation for how I-beams "work" is seriously lacking. All you've said is that your bending the top and compressing the bottom. I would argue that this makes the I-beam weaker than the unstressed I-beam, in a general sense.
        $endgroup$
        – JMac
        yesterday






      • 1




        $begingroup$
        The point isn't that the moment is reduced, so much as the force (stress). Roughly speaking moments are $r times F$, so increasing $r$ from 'thickness of paper' to 'height of curve in paper' reduces the force in the paper needed to counteract its own weight. engineering.stackexchange.com/questions/68/… is the same principle.
        $endgroup$
        – patstew
        15 hours ago








      • 1




        $begingroup$
        @patstew I don't think the "height of curve" is really that relevant. It's really more geometrical, as shown in tfb's answer. Consider that you could get the same height by sandwiching two pieces of cardboard with straight pieces of cardboard between, and still get the same $r$. It's important how the corrugation effects stability in other directions as well.
        $endgroup$
        – JMac
        13 hours ago








      • 1




        $begingroup$
        I was going to +1 this answer as I was reading it, up until I noticed that you did not explain why the corrugations give increased strength, which is the essence of the OPs question. If you can amend your answer with that explanation you get the +1.
        $endgroup$
        – Alopex
        13 hours ago






      • 2




        $begingroup$
        @patstew The wavyness is important to its structure. The "corrugated" plastic that you're talking about introduces another failure mode. It's a lot more susceptible to buckling in the vertical members because they have no curvature at all. It's fairly easy to get the squares to buckle compared to actual corrugation.
        $endgroup$
        – JMac
        12 hours ago














      • 9




        $begingroup$
        To me, this doesn't really explain anything about why this, or I-beams work. Why does a force distribution across the sheet allow it to reduce bending moments in a different direction? You've explained what bending moments are; but you didn't explain why bending paper adds stability in another direction, or how this relates to I-beams. Your explanation for how I-beams "work" is seriously lacking. All you've said is that your bending the top and compressing the bottom. I would argue that this makes the I-beam weaker than the unstressed I-beam, in a general sense.
        $endgroup$
        – JMac
        yesterday






      • 1




        $begingroup$
        The point isn't that the moment is reduced, so much as the force (stress). Roughly speaking moments are $r times F$, so increasing $r$ from 'thickness of paper' to 'height of curve in paper' reduces the force in the paper needed to counteract its own weight. engineering.stackexchange.com/questions/68/… is the same principle.
        $endgroup$
        – patstew
        15 hours ago








      • 1




        $begingroup$
        @patstew I don't think the "height of curve" is really that relevant. It's really more geometrical, as shown in tfb's answer. Consider that you could get the same height by sandwiching two pieces of cardboard with straight pieces of cardboard between, and still get the same $r$. It's important how the corrugation effects stability in other directions as well.
        $endgroup$
        – JMac
        13 hours ago








      • 1




        $begingroup$
        I was going to +1 this answer as I was reading it, up until I noticed that you did not explain why the corrugations give increased strength, which is the essence of the OPs question. If you can amend your answer with that explanation you get the +1.
        $endgroup$
        – Alopex
        13 hours ago






      • 2




        $begingroup$
        @patstew The wavyness is important to its structure. The "corrugated" plastic that you're talking about introduces another failure mode. It's a lot more susceptible to buckling in the vertical members because they have no curvature at all. It's fairly easy to get the squares to buckle compared to actual corrugation.
        $endgroup$
        – JMac
        12 hours ago








      9




      9




      $begingroup$
      To me, this doesn't really explain anything about why this, or I-beams work. Why does a force distribution across the sheet allow it to reduce bending moments in a different direction? You've explained what bending moments are; but you didn't explain why bending paper adds stability in another direction, or how this relates to I-beams. Your explanation for how I-beams "work" is seriously lacking. All you've said is that your bending the top and compressing the bottom. I would argue that this makes the I-beam weaker than the unstressed I-beam, in a general sense.
      $endgroup$
      – JMac
      yesterday




      $begingroup$
      To me, this doesn't really explain anything about why this, or I-beams work. Why does a force distribution across the sheet allow it to reduce bending moments in a different direction? You've explained what bending moments are; but you didn't explain why bending paper adds stability in another direction, or how this relates to I-beams. Your explanation for how I-beams "work" is seriously lacking. All you've said is that your bending the top and compressing the bottom. I would argue that this makes the I-beam weaker than the unstressed I-beam, in a general sense.
      $endgroup$
      – JMac
      yesterday




      1




      1




      $begingroup$
      The point isn't that the moment is reduced, so much as the force (stress). Roughly speaking moments are $r times F$, so increasing $r$ from 'thickness of paper' to 'height of curve in paper' reduces the force in the paper needed to counteract its own weight. engineering.stackexchange.com/questions/68/… is the same principle.
      $endgroup$
      – patstew
      15 hours ago






      $begingroup$
      The point isn't that the moment is reduced, so much as the force (stress). Roughly speaking moments are $r times F$, so increasing $r$ from 'thickness of paper' to 'height of curve in paper' reduces the force in the paper needed to counteract its own weight. engineering.stackexchange.com/questions/68/… is the same principle.
      $endgroup$
      – patstew
      15 hours ago






      1




      1




      $begingroup$
      @patstew I don't think the "height of curve" is really that relevant. It's really more geometrical, as shown in tfb's answer. Consider that you could get the same height by sandwiching two pieces of cardboard with straight pieces of cardboard between, and still get the same $r$. It's important how the corrugation effects stability in other directions as well.
      $endgroup$
      – JMac
      13 hours ago






      $begingroup$
      @patstew I don't think the "height of curve" is really that relevant. It's really more geometrical, as shown in tfb's answer. Consider that you could get the same height by sandwiching two pieces of cardboard with straight pieces of cardboard between, and still get the same $r$. It's important how the corrugation effects stability in other directions as well.
      $endgroup$
      – JMac
      13 hours ago






      1




      1




      $begingroup$
      I was going to +1 this answer as I was reading it, up until I noticed that you did not explain why the corrugations give increased strength, which is the essence of the OPs question. If you can amend your answer with that explanation you get the +1.
      $endgroup$
      – Alopex
      13 hours ago




      $begingroup$
      I was going to +1 this answer as I was reading it, up until I noticed that you did not explain why the corrugations give increased strength, which is the essence of the OPs question. If you can amend your answer with that explanation you get the +1.
      $endgroup$
      – Alopex
      13 hours ago




      2




      2




      $begingroup$
      @patstew The wavyness is important to its structure. The "corrugated" plastic that you're talking about introduces another failure mode. It's a lot more susceptible to buckling in the vertical members because they have no curvature at all. It's fairly easy to get the squares to buckle compared to actual corrugation.
      $endgroup$
      – JMac
      12 hours ago




      $begingroup$
      @patstew The wavyness is important to its structure. The "corrugated" plastic that you're talking about introduces another failure mode. It's a lot more susceptible to buckling in the vertical members because they have no curvature at all. It's fairly easy to get the squares to buckle compared to actual corrugation.
      $endgroup$
      – JMac
      12 hours ago











      15












      $begingroup$

      When you bend a piece of material, the resistance is provided by stretching the material on the outside part of the bend, and compressing the material on the inside of the bend.



      A thin flat sheet bends easily because, physically, not of lot of stretching or compressing occurs when it bends.



      When you give your book a fold, like a trough, that shape can not physically bend without a lot of stretching along the top edges, and a lot of compressing along the bottom of the trough. A very tiny bend would create a lot of stretching and compressing, and so the shape has a lot of bending resistance.






      share|cite|improve this answer









      $endgroup$


















        15












        $begingroup$

        When you bend a piece of material, the resistance is provided by stretching the material on the outside part of the bend, and compressing the material on the inside of the bend.



        A thin flat sheet bends easily because, physically, not of lot of stretching or compressing occurs when it bends.



        When you give your book a fold, like a trough, that shape can not physically bend without a lot of stretching along the top edges, and a lot of compressing along the bottom of the trough. A very tiny bend would create a lot of stretching and compressing, and so the shape has a lot of bending resistance.






        share|cite|improve this answer









        $endgroup$
















          15












          15








          15





          $begingroup$

          When you bend a piece of material, the resistance is provided by stretching the material on the outside part of the bend, and compressing the material on the inside of the bend.



          A thin flat sheet bends easily because, physically, not of lot of stretching or compressing occurs when it bends.



          When you give your book a fold, like a trough, that shape can not physically bend without a lot of stretching along the top edges, and a lot of compressing along the bottom of the trough. A very tiny bend would create a lot of stretching and compressing, and so the shape has a lot of bending resistance.






          share|cite|improve this answer









          $endgroup$



          When you bend a piece of material, the resistance is provided by stretching the material on the outside part of the bend, and compressing the material on the inside of the bend.



          A thin flat sheet bends easily because, physically, not of lot of stretching or compressing occurs when it bends.



          When you give your book a fold, like a trough, that shape can not physically bend without a lot of stretching along the top edges, and a lot of compressing along the bottom of the trough. A very tiny bend would create a lot of stretching and compressing, and so the shape has a lot of bending resistance.







          share|cite|improve this answer












          share|cite|improve this answer



          share|cite|improve this answer










          answered yesterday









          DaddyoDaddyo

          58722




          58722























              8












              $begingroup$

              The other answers so far are technically correct, but none of them really seem to give a commonsense/intuitive and simple answer. So I'll have a go at one.



              Imagine very slightly bending some kind of object downwards at one end, while holding the other end firmly horizontal. (It could be almost any object, could be paper, a branch off a tree, some plastic pipe, a long thin block of rubber, even a concrete block!) But only bending the object very slightly from one end, so you aren't breaking or fracturing it.



              To bend at all, the top of the object has to stretch more than the bottom, because it is on the "outside" of the "curve" that forms when you bent the object.



              (The bottom is squashed, or "compressed" as well, but it's easier to visualise if we ignore that and focus on what happens at the top side of the object)



              Almost all materials and objects will resist stretching and compression, at least within some small limits. Some resist it massively (try stretching a steel bar). Others don't resist it much (try pulling some nylon cord or elastic, or a spring). Some will quickly break or tear (concrete and paper don't stretch well at all, they quickly break or tear instead). Other materials will stretch for quite a bit (steel is one, which is why it's used to reinforce concrete structures, unlike concrete it will keep resisting a stretching action).



              That difference between how much the "top" bends, and how much the "bottom" bends, and the fact that if the object is bent even slightly, the top and bottom both bend and their curves will have different radii, is what determines the outcome.



              Back to your paper.



              If your paper is flat, the top and bottom surfaces of the sheet are extremely close vertically. So it can bend or flop down, with almost no stretching of the top. The top surface does actually stretch a bit, which is why even the flopped sheet flops in a curved shape - there comes a point where if it bent more, the top surface would have to stretch enough more than the bottom surface, that the fibres of paper resist it, so it doesn't easily bend any more (without you creasing it or something).



              But now suppose you bend the sheet along its length, even slightly. Now the "top" and "bottom of the curve aren't the two surfaces of the sheet, a tiny distance apart. They are the "valley" of the bent sheet and the two edges that are higher (the two sides of the sheet which bend upward). Those are a * lot * further apart vertically than the two surfaces were. So the sheet of paper still tries to flop, but it can't flop at all (or only microscopically or at the corners) because the "top" would now have to stretch a lot, just to have the sheet bend a tiny bit. Paper fibres don't stretch well (they are bonded to each other and resist stretching beyond a small amount; they will eventually tear instead). Gravity also isn't pulling down the far end of the sheet enough to force the end down even at the "cost" of tearing some of the fibres.



              The end result is that now, the fibres at the "top" edges would have to stretch a lot to allow the paper to "flop" - so they can't stretch enough to flop - and they also aren't being pulled downward enough to tear (or to bend in other ways). So the sheet simply stays where it is. So now, the sheet acts a lot more rigidly.



              You can see this by imagining trying the same thing, but with a sheet of silicone, or something else really floppy and flexible, instead of paper. Now your bending the sheet along its length doesn't work well, because the material itself doesn't resist its "top" surface or edges stretching much at all, so it can still find a way to flop down.



              ( ** I've simplified a fair bit. The main areas that I have simplified are - if the object is long and slender enough, it may end up finding other ways to bend, such as curving diagonally with one diagonal half up, and the other down. So if you try and hold a metal tape-measure out too far, this is what happens. It'll happen to your sheet of paper too, if it can. So there are other ways of bending. In engineering, where bending of a beam or column is usually a failure they're called "modes of failure", so steelworks much be designed with their 3d shape in mind, to prevent this kind of thing. Also many objects are complex or are not "elastic" beyond a small amount, for example your paper is made up of fibres bonded together, and how that bonding affects the fibres plays a big role too. Living wood from trees is made of different parts and those also interact so it splinters after a while, but doesn't fully break. But this should give you a good idea what's going on. Just be aware it's a simplified version)






              share|cite|improve this answer











              $endgroup$


















                8












                $begingroup$

                The other answers so far are technically correct, but none of them really seem to give a commonsense/intuitive and simple answer. So I'll have a go at one.



                Imagine very slightly bending some kind of object downwards at one end, while holding the other end firmly horizontal. (It could be almost any object, could be paper, a branch off a tree, some plastic pipe, a long thin block of rubber, even a concrete block!) But only bending the object very slightly from one end, so you aren't breaking or fracturing it.



                To bend at all, the top of the object has to stretch more than the bottom, because it is on the "outside" of the "curve" that forms when you bent the object.



                (The bottom is squashed, or "compressed" as well, but it's easier to visualise if we ignore that and focus on what happens at the top side of the object)



                Almost all materials and objects will resist stretching and compression, at least within some small limits. Some resist it massively (try stretching a steel bar). Others don't resist it much (try pulling some nylon cord or elastic, or a spring). Some will quickly break or tear (concrete and paper don't stretch well at all, they quickly break or tear instead). Other materials will stretch for quite a bit (steel is one, which is why it's used to reinforce concrete structures, unlike concrete it will keep resisting a stretching action).



                That difference between how much the "top" bends, and how much the "bottom" bends, and the fact that if the object is bent even slightly, the top and bottom both bend and their curves will have different radii, is what determines the outcome.



                Back to your paper.



                If your paper is flat, the top and bottom surfaces of the sheet are extremely close vertically. So it can bend or flop down, with almost no stretching of the top. The top surface does actually stretch a bit, which is why even the flopped sheet flops in a curved shape - there comes a point where if it bent more, the top surface would have to stretch enough more than the bottom surface, that the fibres of paper resist it, so it doesn't easily bend any more (without you creasing it or something).



                But now suppose you bend the sheet along its length, even slightly. Now the "top" and "bottom of the curve aren't the two surfaces of the sheet, a tiny distance apart. They are the "valley" of the bent sheet and the two edges that are higher (the two sides of the sheet which bend upward). Those are a * lot * further apart vertically than the two surfaces were. So the sheet of paper still tries to flop, but it can't flop at all (or only microscopically or at the corners) because the "top" would now have to stretch a lot, just to have the sheet bend a tiny bit. Paper fibres don't stretch well (they are bonded to each other and resist stretching beyond a small amount; they will eventually tear instead). Gravity also isn't pulling down the far end of the sheet enough to force the end down even at the "cost" of tearing some of the fibres.



                The end result is that now, the fibres at the "top" edges would have to stretch a lot to allow the paper to "flop" - so they can't stretch enough to flop - and they also aren't being pulled downward enough to tear (or to bend in other ways). So the sheet simply stays where it is. So now, the sheet acts a lot more rigidly.



                You can see this by imagining trying the same thing, but with a sheet of silicone, or something else really floppy and flexible, instead of paper. Now your bending the sheet along its length doesn't work well, because the material itself doesn't resist its "top" surface or edges stretching much at all, so it can still find a way to flop down.



                ( ** I've simplified a fair bit. The main areas that I have simplified are - if the object is long and slender enough, it may end up finding other ways to bend, such as curving diagonally with one diagonal half up, and the other down. So if you try and hold a metal tape-measure out too far, this is what happens. It'll happen to your sheet of paper too, if it can. So there are other ways of bending. In engineering, where bending of a beam or column is usually a failure they're called "modes of failure", so steelworks much be designed with their 3d shape in mind, to prevent this kind of thing. Also many objects are complex or are not "elastic" beyond a small amount, for example your paper is made up of fibres bonded together, and how that bonding affects the fibres plays a big role too. Living wood from trees is made of different parts and those also interact so it splinters after a while, but doesn't fully break. But this should give you a good idea what's going on. Just be aware it's a simplified version)






                share|cite|improve this answer











                $endgroup$
















                  8












                  8








                  8





                  $begingroup$

                  The other answers so far are technically correct, but none of them really seem to give a commonsense/intuitive and simple answer. So I'll have a go at one.



                  Imagine very slightly bending some kind of object downwards at one end, while holding the other end firmly horizontal. (It could be almost any object, could be paper, a branch off a tree, some plastic pipe, a long thin block of rubber, even a concrete block!) But only bending the object very slightly from one end, so you aren't breaking or fracturing it.



                  To bend at all, the top of the object has to stretch more than the bottom, because it is on the "outside" of the "curve" that forms when you bent the object.



                  (The bottom is squashed, or "compressed" as well, but it's easier to visualise if we ignore that and focus on what happens at the top side of the object)



                  Almost all materials and objects will resist stretching and compression, at least within some small limits. Some resist it massively (try stretching a steel bar). Others don't resist it much (try pulling some nylon cord or elastic, or a spring). Some will quickly break or tear (concrete and paper don't stretch well at all, they quickly break or tear instead). Other materials will stretch for quite a bit (steel is one, which is why it's used to reinforce concrete structures, unlike concrete it will keep resisting a stretching action).



                  That difference between how much the "top" bends, and how much the "bottom" bends, and the fact that if the object is bent even slightly, the top and bottom both bend and their curves will have different radii, is what determines the outcome.



                  Back to your paper.



                  If your paper is flat, the top and bottom surfaces of the sheet are extremely close vertically. So it can bend or flop down, with almost no stretching of the top. The top surface does actually stretch a bit, which is why even the flopped sheet flops in a curved shape - there comes a point where if it bent more, the top surface would have to stretch enough more than the bottom surface, that the fibres of paper resist it, so it doesn't easily bend any more (without you creasing it or something).



                  But now suppose you bend the sheet along its length, even slightly. Now the "top" and "bottom of the curve aren't the two surfaces of the sheet, a tiny distance apart. They are the "valley" of the bent sheet and the two edges that are higher (the two sides of the sheet which bend upward). Those are a * lot * further apart vertically than the two surfaces were. So the sheet of paper still tries to flop, but it can't flop at all (or only microscopically or at the corners) because the "top" would now have to stretch a lot, just to have the sheet bend a tiny bit. Paper fibres don't stretch well (they are bonded to each other and resist stretching beyond a small amount; they will eventually tear instead). Gravity also isn't pulling down the far end of the sheet enough to force the end down even at the "cost" of tearing some of the fibres.



                  The end result is that now, the fibres at the "top" edges would have to stretch a lot to allow the paper to "flop" - so they can't stretch enough to flop - and they also aren't being pulled downward enough to tear (or to bend in other ways). So the sheet simply stays where it is. So now, the sheet acts a lot more rigidly.



                  You can see this by imagining trying the same thing, but with a sheet of silicone, or something else really floppy and flexible, instead of paper. Now your bending the sheet along its length doesn't work well, because the material itself doesn't resist its "top" surface or edges stretching much at all, so it can still find a way to flop down.



                  ( ** I've simplified a fair bit. The main areas that I have simplified are - if the object is long and slender enough, it may end up finding other ways to bend, such as curving diagonally with one diagonal half up, and the other down. So if you try and hold a metal tape-measure out too far, this is what happens. It'll happen to your sheet of paper too, if it can. So there are other ways of bending. In engineering, where bending of a beam or column is usually a failure they're called "modes of failure", so steelworks much be designed with their 3d shape in mind, to prevent this kind of thing. Also many objects are complex or are not "elastic" beyond a small amount, for example your paper is made up of fibres bonded together, and how that bonding affects the fibres plays a big role too. Living wood from trees is made of different parts and those also interact so it splinters after a while, but doesn't fully break. But this should give you a good idea what's going on. Just be aware it's a simplified version)






                  share|cite|improve this answer











                  $endgroup$



                  The other answers so far are technically correct, but none of them really seem to give a commonsense/intuitive and simple answer. So I'll have a go at one.



                  Imagine very slightly bending some kind of object downwards at one end, while holding the other end firmly horizontal. (It could be almost any object, could be paper, a branch off a tree, some plastic pipe, a long thin block of rubber, even a concrete block!) But only bending the object very slightly from one end, so you aren't breaking or fracturing it.



                  To bend at all, the top of the object has to stretch more than the bottom, because it is on the "outside" of the "curve" that forms when you bent the object.



                  (The bottom is squashed, or "compressed" as well, but it's easier to visualise if we ignore that and focus on what happens at the top side of the object)



                  Almost all materials and objects will resist stretching and compression, at least within some small limits. Some resist it massively (try stretching a steel bar). Others don't resist it much (try pulling some nylon cord or elastic, or a spring). Some will quickly break or tear (concrete and paper don't stretch well at all, they quickly break or tear instead). Other materials will stretch for quite a bit (steel is one, which is why it's used to reinforce concrete structures, unlike concrete it will keep resisting a stretching action).



                  That difference between how much the "top" bends, and how much the "bottom" bends, and the fact that if the object is bent even slightly, the top and bottom both bend and their curves will have different radii, is what determines the outcome.



                  Back to your paper.



                  If your paper is flat, the top and bottom surfaces of the sheet are extremely close vertically. So it can bend or flop down, with almost no stretching of the top. The top surface does actually stretch a bit, which is why even the flopped sheet flops in a curved shape - there comes a point where if it bent more, the top surface would have to stretch enough more than the bottom surface, that the fibres of paper resist it, so it doesn't easily bend any more (without you creasing it or something).



                  But now suppose you bend the sheet along its length, even slightly. Now the "top" and "bottom of the curve aren't the two surfaces of the sheet, a tiny distance apart. They are the "valley" of the bent sheet and the two edges that are higher (the two sides of the sheet which bend upward). Those are a * lot * further apart vertically than the two surfaces were. So the sheet of paper still tries to flop, but it can't flop at all (or only microscopically or at the corners) because the "top" would now have to stretch a lot, just to have the sheet bend a tiny bit. Paper fibres don't stretch well (they are bonded to each other and resist stretching beyond a small amount; they will eventually tear instead). Gravity also isn't pulling down the far end of the sheet enough to force the end down even at the "cost" of tearing some of the fibres.



                  The end result is that now, the fibres at the "top" edges would have to stretch a lot to allow the paper to "flop" - so they can't stretch enough to flop - and they also aren't being pulled downward enough to tear (or to bend in other ways). So the sheet simply stays where it is. So now, the sheet acts a lot more rigidly.



                  You can see this by imagining trying the same thing, but with a sheet of silicone, or something else really floppy and flexible, instead of paper. Now your bending the sheet along its length doesn't work well, because the material itself doesn't resist its "top" surface or edges stretching much at all, so it can still find a way to flop down.



                  ( ** I've simplified a fair bit. The main areas that I have simplified are - if the object is long and slender enough, it may end up finding other ways to bend, such as curving diagonally with one diagonal half up, and the other down. So if you try and hold a metal tape-measure out too far, this is what happens. It'll happen to your sheet of paper too, if it can. So there are other ways of bending. In engineering, where bending of a beam or column is usually a failure they're called "modes of failure", so steelworks much be designed with their 3d shape in mind, to prevent this kind of thing. Also many objects are complex or are not "elastic" beyond a small amount, for example your paper is made up of fibres bonded together, and how that bonding affects the fibres plays a big role too. Living wood from trees is made of different parts and those also interact so it splinters after a while, but doesn't fully break. But this should give you a good idea what's going on. Just be aware it's a simplified version)







                  share|cite|improve this answer














                  share|cite|improve this answer



                  share|cite|improve this answer








                  edited 14 hours ago

























                  answered 16 hours ago









                  StilezStilez

                  1,608413




                  1,608413























                      4












                      $begingroup$

                      "Curving" the paper increases the second moment of area, beacuse it effectively increases the distance of the paper cross-sectional area from the section centroid.



                      Stiffness of a cross-section is proportional to the square of distance from the centroid (also see parallel axis theorem), so curving the paper effectively multiplies it's stiffness by several orders of magnitude, thus the curved paper exhibits minimal displacement (= remains straight).



                      Here's another example of the same principle. A paper held horizontally bends under it's own weight. A perfectly flat paper held perfectly vertically is perfectly capable to carry it's own weight with minimal displacement. It is the same principle, radical increase in stiffness along the bending direction through increase of distance from the centroid.



                      Note: I'm using "curving" here as a verb even though it's probably not correct, so as not to confuse the action with the effect of paper bending due to gravity.






                      share|cite|improve this answer










                      New contributor




                      insys is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.






                      $endgroup$













                      • $begingroup$
                        I don't understand your comments about paper bending. A paper held both horizontally or vertically will bend very easily, with literally the same amount of force. You definitely need to be more clear about what you're trying to get at there. More importantly... this seems to repeat what several other answers are talking about, but that really omits most of the complex and interesting parts of why this actually works.
                        $endgroup$
                        – JMac
                        5 hours ago










                      • $begingroup$
                        I clarified the vertical paper part. Hope it helps. Sorry to not have a "story" to tell here, but this is a very basic topic in structural mechanics and this is the correct scientific answer.
                        $endgroup$
                        – insys
                        3 hours ago










                      • $begingroup$
                        I guess I get this approach, I just think it over-simplifies it at the core compared to how interesting it is. I still think the paper standing vertical isn't a good example though, since structurally it will still fail under it's own weight in any realistic circumstance. Anyways, I retracted the downvote since I get what you were getting at with the paper example.
                        $endgroup$
                        – JMac
                        3 hours ago
















                      4












                      $begingroup$

                      "Curving" the paper increases the second moment of area, beacuse it effectively increases the distance of the paper cross-sectional area from the section centroid.



                      Stiffness of a cross-section is proportional to the square of distance from the centroid (also see parallel axis theorem), so curving the paper effectively multiplies it's stiffness by several orders of magnitude, thus the curved paper exhibits minimal displacement (= remains straight).



                      Here's another example of the same principle. A paper held horizontally bends under it's own weight. A perfectly flat paper held perfectly vertically is perfectly capable to carry it's own weight with minimal displacement. It is the same principle, radical increase in stiffness along the bending direction through increase of distance from the centroid.



                      Note: I'm using "curving" here as a verb even though it's probably not correct, so as not to confuse the action with the effect of paper bending due to gravity.






                      share|cite|improve this answer










                      New contributor




                      insys is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.






                      $endgroup$













                      • $begingroup$
                        I don't understand your comments about paper bending. A paper held both horizontally or vertically will bend very easily, with literally the same amount of force. You definitely need to be more clear about what you're trying to get at there. More importantly... this seems to repeat what several other answers are talking about, but that really omits most of the complex and interesting parts of why this actually works.
                        $endgroup$
                        – JMac
                        5 hours ago










                      • $begingroup$
                        I clarified the vertical paper part. Hope it helps. Sorry to not have a "story" to tell here, but this is a very basic topic in structural mechanics and this is the correct scientific answer.
                        $endgroup$
                        – insys
                        3 hours ago










                      • $begingroup$
                        I guess I get this approach, I just think it over-simplifies it at the core compared to how interesting it is. I still think the paper standing vertical isn't a good example though, since structurally it will still fail under it's own weight in any realistic circumstance. Anyways, I retracted the downvote since I get what you were getting at with the paper example.
                        $endgroup$
                        – JMac
                        3 hours ago














                      4












                      4








                      4





                      $begingroup$

                      "Curving" the paper increases the second moment of area, beacuse it effectively increases the distance of the paper cross-sectional area from the section centroid.



                      Stiffness of a cross-section is proportional to the square of distance from the centroid (also see parallel axis theorem), so curving the paper effectively multiplies it's stiffness by several orders of magnitude, thus the curved paper exhibits minimal displacement (= remains straight).



                      Here's another example of the same principle. A paper held horizontally bends under it's own weight. A perfectly flat paper held perfectly vertically is perfectly capable to carry it's own weight with minimal displacement. It is the same principle, radical increase in stiffness along the bending direction through increase of distance from the centroid.



                      Note: I'm using "curving" here as a verb even though it's probably not correct, so as not to confuse the action with the effect of paper bending due to gravity.






                      share|cite|improve this answer










                      New contributor




                      insys is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.






                      $endgroup$



                      "Curving" the paper increases the second moment of area, beacuse it effectively increases the distance of the paper cross-sectional area from the section centroid.



                      Stiffness of a cross-section is proportional to the square of distance from the centroid (also see parallel axis theorem), so curving the paper effectively multiplies it's stiffness by several orders of magnitude, thus the curved paper exhibits minimal displacement (= remains straight).



                      Here's another example of the same principle. A paper held horizontally bends under it's own weight. A perfectly flat paper held perfectly vertically is perfectly capable to carry it's own weight with minimal displacement. It is the same principle, radical increase in stiffness along the bending direction through increase of distance from the centroid.



                      Note: I'm using "curving" here as a verb even though it's probably not correct, so as not to confuse the action with the effect of paper bending due to gravity.







                      share|cite|improve this answer










                      New contributor




                      insys is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.









                      share|cite|improve this answer



                      share|cite|improve this answer








                      edited 4 hours ago





















                      New contributor




                      insys is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.









                      answered 7 hours ago









                      insysinsys

                      1412




                      1412




                      New contributor




                      insys is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.





                      New contributor





                      insys is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.






                      insys is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.












                      • $begingroup$
                        I don't understand your comments about paper bending. A paper held both horizontally or vertically will bend very easily, with literally the same amount of force. You definitely need to be more clear about what you're trying to get at there. More importantly... this seems to repeat what several other answers are talking about, but that really omits most of the complex and interesting parts of why this actually works.
                        $endgroup$
                        – JMac
                        5 hours ago










                      • $begingroup$
                        I clarified the vertical paper part. Hope it helps. Sorry to not have a "story" to tell here, but this is a very basic topic in structural mechanics and this is the correct scientific answer.
                        $endgroup$
                        – insys
                        3 hours ago










                      • $begingroup$
                        I guess I get this approach, I just think it over-simplifies it at the core compared to how interesting it is. I still think the paper standing vertical isn't a good example though, since structurally it will still fail under it's own weight in any realistic circumstance. Anyways, I retracted the downvote since I get what you were getting at with the paper example.
                        $endgroup$
                        – JMac
                        3 hours ago


















                      • $begingroup$
                        I don't understand your comments about paper bending. A paper held both horizontally or vertically will bend very easily, with literally the same amount of force. You definitely need to be more clear about what you're trying to get at there. More importantly... this seems to repeat what several other answers are talking about, but that really omits most of the complex and interesting parts of why this actually works.
                        $endgroup$
                        – JMac
                        5 hours ago










                      • $begingroup$
                        I clarified the vertical paper part. Hope it helps. Sorry to not have a "story" to tell here, but this is a very basic topic in structural mechanics and this is the correct scientific answer.
                        $endgroup$
                        – insys
                        3 hours ago










                      • $begingroup$
                        I guess I get this approach, I just think it over-simplifies it at the core compared to how interesting it is. I still think the paper standing vertical isn't a good example though, since structurally it will still fail under it's own weight in any realistic circumstance. Anyways, I retracted the downvote since I get what you were getting at with the paper example.
                        $endgroup$
                        – JMac
                        3 hours ago
















                      $begingroup$
                      I don't understand your comments about paper bending. A paper held both horizontally or vertically will bend very easily, with literally the same amount of force. You definitely need to be more clear about what you're trying to get at there. More importantly... this seems to repeat what several other answers are talking about, but that really omits most of the complex and interesting parts of why this actually works.
                      $endgroup$
                      – JMac
                      5 hours ago




                      $begingroup$
                      I don't understand your comments about paper bending. A paper held both horizontally or vertically will bend very easily, with literally the same amount of force. You definitely need to be more clear about what you're trying to get at there. More importantly... this seems to repeat what several other answers are talking about, but that really omits most of the complex and interesting parts of why this actually works.
                      $endgroup$
                      – JMac
                      5 hours ago












                      $begingroup$
                      I clarified the vertical paper part. Hope it helps. Sorry to not have a "story" to tell here, but this is a very basic topic in structural mechanics and this is the correct scientific answer.
                      $endgroup$
                      – insys
                      3 hours ago




                      $begingroup$
                      I clarified the vertical paper part. Hope it helps. Sorry to not have a "story" to tell here, but this is a very basic topic in structural mechanics and this is the correct scientific answer.
                      $endgroup$
                      – insys
                      3 hours ago












                      $begingroup$
                      I guess I get this approach, I just think it over-simplifies it at the core compared to how interesting it is. I still think the paper standing vertical isn't a good example though, since structurally it will still fail under it's own weight in any realistic circumstance. Anyways, I retracted the downvote since I get what you were getting at with the paper example.
                      $endgroup$
                      – JMac
                      3 hours ago




                      $begingroup$
                      I guess I get this approach, I just think it over-simplifies it at the core compared to how interesting it is. I still think the paper standing vertical isn't a good example though, since structurally it will still fail under it's own weight in any realistic circumstance. Anyways, I retracted the downvote since I get what you were getting at with the paper example.
                      $endgroup$
                      – JMac
                      3 hours ago











                      -3












                      $begingroup$

                      I think it is because of structure of the paper. The fibres in the pulp that it is build from are aligned in one direction.
                      This is also reason why it is much easier to tear the sheet in one direction (with the fibres), then in the other (across them).






                      share|cite|improve this answer








                      New contributor




                      Michalina is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.






                      $endgroup$









                      • 3




                        $begingroup$
                        The orientation of the fibers doesn't have much effect on this. It happens regardless.
                        $endgroup$
                        – JMac
                        14 hours ago
















                      -3












                      $begingroup$

                      I think it is because of structure of the paper. The fibres in the pulp that it is build from are aligned in one direction.
                      This is also reason why it is much easier to tear the sheet in one direction (with the fibres), then in the other (across them).






                      share|cite|improve this answer








                      New contributor




                      Michalina is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.






                      $endgroup$









                      • 3




                        $begingroup$
                        The orientation of the fibers doesn't have much effect on this. It happens regardless.
                        $endgroup$
                        – JMac
                        14 hours ago














                      -3












                      -3








                      -3





                      $begingroup$

                      I think it is because of structure of the paper. The fibres in the pulp that it is build from are aligned in one direction.
                      This is also reason why it is much easier to tear the sheet in one direction (with the fibres), then in the other (across them).






                      share|cite|improve this answer








                      New contributor




                      Michalina is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.






                      $endgroup$



                      I think it is because of structure of the paper. The fibres in the pulp that it is build from are aligned in one direction.
                      This is also reason why it is much easier to tear the sheet in one direction (with the fibres), then in the other (across them).







                      share|cite|improve this answer








                      New contributor




                      Michalina is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.









                      share|cite|improve this answer



                      share|cite|improve this answer






                      New contributor




                      Michalina is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.









                      answered 14 hours ago









                      MichalinaMichalina

                      1




                      1




                      New contributor




                      Michalina is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.





                      New contributor





                      Michalina is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.






                      Michalina is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                      Check out our Code of Conduct.








                      • 3




                        $begingroup$
                        The orientation of the fibers doesn't have much effect on this. It happens regardless.
                        $endgroup$
                        – JMac
                        14 hours ago














                      • 3




                        $begingroup$
                        The orientation of the fibers doesn't have much effect on this. It happens regardless.
                        $endgroup$
                        – JMac
                        14 hours ago








                      3




                      3




                      $begingroup$
                      The orientation of the fibers doesn't have much effect on this. It happens regardless.
                      $endgroup$
                      – JMac
                      14 hours ago




                      $begingroup$
                      The orientation of the fibers doesn't have much effect on this. It happens regardless.
                      $endgroup$
                      – JMac
                      14 hours ago


















                      draft saved

                      draft discarded




















































                      Thanks for contributing an answer to Physics Stack Exchange!


                      • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

                      But avoid



                      • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

                      • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


                      Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.


                      To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




                      draft saved


                      draft discarded














                      StackExchange.ready(
                      function () {
                      StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fphysics.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f473061%2fwhy-do-we-bend-a-book-to-keep-it-straight%23new-answer', 'question_page');
                      }
                      );

                      Post as a guest















                      Required, but never shown





















































                      Required, but never shown














                      Required, but never shown












                      Required, but never shown







                      Required, but never shown

































                      Required, but never shown














                      Required, but never shown












                      Required, but never shown







                      Required, but never shown







                      Popular posts from this blog

                      數位音樂下載

                      格利澤436b

                      When can things happen in Etherscan, such as the picture below?