Hostile work environment after whistle-blowing on coworker and our boss. What do I do?
I work night shifts with a co-worker who would always sleep or never be at work. We are both nurses.
She is friends with the administrator (our boss) who showed her signs of extreme favoritism on many occasions such as having my Christmas leave canceled in favor of my co-worker's. I believe they were friends.
I surreptitiously videoed her sleeping at work with my phone. After two months of encouraging her to improve, I anonymously sent the video to corporate and included details about her not working. I also included details about the administrator's favoritism. Shortly after this, my phone disappeared at work, and I think my co-worker may have stolen it.
After a few weeks, my co-worker was was fired because of my report.
Now the administrator and all the staff don't talk to me. Everybody hates me. My Facebook friends who are my coworker's friends do not respond to my posts anymore.
I feel under extreme stress. I am not sleeping or eating well. I'm trying so hard to not make any mistakes cause I think they will use it to get rid of me.
What should I do?
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I work night shifts with a co-worker who would always sleep or never be at work. We are both nurses.
She is friends with the administrator (our boss) who showed her signs of extreme favoritism on many occasions such as having my Christmas leave canceled in favor of my co-worker's. I believe they were friends.
I surreptitiously videoed her sleeping at work with my phone. After two months of encouraging her to improve, I anonymously sent the video to corporate and included details about her not working. I also included details about the administrator's favoritism. Shortly after this, my phone disappeared at work, and I think my co-worker may have stolen it.
After a few weeks, my co-worker was was fired because of my report.
Now the administrator and all the staff don't talk to me. Everybody hates me. My Facebook friends who are my coworker's friends do not respond to my posts anymore.
I feel under extreme stress. I am not sleeping or eating well. I'm trying so hard to not make any mistakes cause I think they will use it to get rid of me.
What should I do?
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I've tried to create a short version and format a long version. I really didn't want to try to figure out what to cut out.
– Gregory Currie
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@GregoryCurrie I've removed the long version as it's easier to concentrate on answering the core question than reading the back-story. If anyone does need to see the back story, please see the revision history. If there's anything missing that should be restored, please feel free to edit it back in (but be brief). Thanks.
– Snow♦
2 days ago
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An edit that removed certain things removes almost all connection between the question and top answer... You're not getting your phone back??? Don't worry about Facebook??? What???
– AbraCadaver
2 days ago
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– Jane S♦
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How is that whistleblowing as opposed to plain meddling in company politics?
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I work night shifts with a co-worker who would always sleep or never be at work. We are both nurses.
She is friends with the administrator (our boss) who showed her signs of extreme favoritism on many occasions such as having my Christmas leave canceled in favor of my co-worker's. I believe they were friends.
I surreptitiously videoed her sleeping at work with my phone. After two months of encouraging her to improve, I anonymously sent the video to corporate and included details about her not working. I also included details about the administrator's favoritism. Shortly after this, my phone disappeared at work, and I think my co-worker may have stolen it.
After a few weeks, my co-worker was was fired because of my report.
Now the administrator and all the staff don't talk to me. Everybody hates me. My Facebook friends who are my coworker's friends do not respond to my posts anymore.
I feel under extreme stress. I am not sleeping or eating well. I'm trying so hard to not make any mistakes cause I think they will use it to get rid of me.
What should I do?
Part of this question has been removed to make it easier to answer the core question. To see the full back story, please see the revision history.
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I work night shifts with a co-worker who would always sleep or never be at work. We are both nurses.
She is friends with the administrator (our boss) who showed her signs of extreme favoritism on many occasions such as having my Christmas leave canceled in favor of my co-worker's. I believe they were friends.
I surreptitiously videoed her sleeping at work with my phone. After two months of encouraging her to improve, I anonymously sent the video to corporate and included details about her not working. I also included details about the administrator's favoritism. Shortly after this, my phone disappeared at work, and I think my co-worker may have stolen it.
After a few weeks, my co-worker was was fired because of my report.
Now the administrator and all the staff don't talk to me. Everybody hates me. My Facebook friends who are my coworker's friends do not respond to my posts anymore.
I feel under extreme stress. I am not sleeping or eating well. I'm trying so hard to not make any mistakes cause I think they will use it to get rid of me.
What should I do?
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I've tried to create a short version and format a long version. I really didn't want to try to figure out what to cut out.
– Gregory Currie
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@GregoryCurrie I've removed the long version as it's easier to concentrate on answering the core question than reading the back-story. If anyone does need to see the back story, please see the revision history. If there's anything missing that should be restored, please feel free to edit it back in (but be brief). Thanks.
– Snow♦
2 days ago
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An edit that removed certain things removes almost all connection between the question and top answer... You're not getting your phone back??? Don't worry about Facebook??? What???
– AbraCadaver
2 days ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– Jane S♦
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How is that whistleblowing as opposed to plain meddling in company politics?
– rackandboneman
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I've tried to create a short version and format a long version. I really didn't want to try to figure out what to cut out.
– Gregory Currie
2 days ago
12
@GregoryCurrie I've removed the long version as it's easier to concentrate on answering the core question than reading the back-story. If anyone does need to see the back story, please see the revision history. If there's anything missing that should be restored, please feel free to edit it back in (but be brief). Thanks.
– Snow♦
2 days ago
42
An edit that removed certain things removes almost all connection between the question and top answer... You're not getting your phone back??? Don't worry about Facebook??? What???
– AbraCadaver
2 days ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– Jane S♦
yesterday
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How is that whistleblowing as opposed to plain meddling in company politics?
– rackandboneman
7 hours ago
11
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I've tried to create a short version and format a long version. I really didn't want to try to figure out what to cut out.
– Gregory Currie
2 days ago
I've tried to create a short version and format a long version. I really didn't want to try to figure out what to cut out.
– Gregory Currie
2 days ago
12
12
@GregoryCurrie I've removed the long version as it's easier to concentrate on answering the core question than reading the back-story. If anyone does need to see the back story, please see the revision history. If there's anything missing that should be restored, please feel free to edit it back in (but be brief). Thanks.
– Snow♦
2 days ago
@GregoryCurrie I've removed the long version as it's easier to concentrate on answering the core question than reading the back-story. If anyone does need to see the back story, please see the revision history. If there's anything missing that should be restored, please feel free to edit it back in (but be brief). Thanks.
– Snow♦
2 days ago
42
42
An edit that removed certain things removes almost all connection between the question and top answer... You're not getting your phone back??? Don't worry about Facebook??? What???
– AbraCadaver
2 days ago
An edit that removed certain things removes almost all connection between the question and top answer... You're not getting your phone back??? Don't worry about Facebook??? What???
– AbraCadaver
2 days ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– Jane S♦
yesterday
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– Jane S♦
yesterday
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How is that whistleblowing as opposed to plain meddling in company politics?
– rackandboneman
7 hours ago
How is that whistleblowing as opposed to plain meddling in company politics?
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My takeaways in (rough) reverse order of importance:
You're not getting your phone back. If you can disable the login remotely, you should do that. Though you phone is probably at the bottom of a river by now.
Don't worry about Facebook Sometimes with social media we can look for patterns that are simply not there. This could be happening now.
You didn't have real friends if they are going to not talk to you now, they were never your friends. It's good that you know the truth now, as much as it hurts. Try to talk to a few of your coworkers, the ones you think you can trust the most. One-on-one is best. Talk about how you're feeling. If they don't care, they are not your friends.
You helped your coworkers You whistle-blowed on your boss, and your boss was doing the wrong thing. You saved many of your co-workers from having to deal with this, and the administrator will have to be more professional in the future.
You protected the patients health There are reasons why there are multiple staff working the hospital at night. Should something happen to you, maybe fatigue causes you to make a mistake, be inattentive, miss something, there is no check and balance in place to protect the patient health.
You protected the hospital. A follow on from the previous point, should something have happened to a patient, the family sued and in court it showed that a person entrusted with their care was sleeping or not even present, the hospital would probably be looking at a large payout. This is especially true if the person not being present meant that the hospital was not meeting minimum legal standards.
You have an ally which is Corporate. You should get in touch with them to see if they can find you placement elsewhere. You can explain the situation to them, and let them know you were the whistleblower. You can let them know you think that they figured out it is you. You should also speak to the fact that you did the work of two people on many nights, and are a hard worker, but cannot work in this environment. Explain that you are hoping to get another chance elsewhere.
What's done is done. You will debate with yourself what you should have done, but what's done is done. You acted with courage, and you are paying a price. It's not fair. But you have integrity.
You're under extreme stress but not all is lost. I know at times it feels like everything is a mess. The administrator doesn't like you, but she can't find a reason to get rid of you. This must mean you're a great worker.
Eat. Even if you don't feel hungry, force yourself to. Now is not the time to get sick. Don't make your body suffer, just because you mind is suffering.
It's time to work elsewhere There is nothing left for you there. You have a lot of good qualities, work ethic and empathy towards those doing you wrong to name a few. Even if Corporate can't help you, you need to look elsewhere.
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Great point on reaching out to Corporate for help finding a new job; OP absolutely is right to have reported this person (even if reporting it locally could've been done first) and it's likely that Corporate appreciates it. Also good to recognize that a company can still be a good place to work even when one situation at that company has soured.
– dbeer
2 days ago
28
It might also be worth raising the missing-phone issue with corporate, to see if there are further avenues of investigation they can take.
– GalacticCowboy
2 days ago
12
@Ferrybig: a giant edit to the question removed all the context and left a very generic question that doesn't even mention what kind of job it is.
– Peter Cordes
2 days ago
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@DanubianSailor Spies and whistleblowers are no the same thing.
– forest
yesterday
20
@DanubianSailor underperforming coworker is your company's problem, not your problem. Yes it is, if the company is taking your benefits to give to the underperformer and expecting you to pick up the slack. Yes it is, if the quality of the job that you share responsibility for is being compromised. As a nurse, yes it definitely is, if patient care standards aren't being met due to the underperformer. Also, I'm curious as to how you think the company is supposed to become aware of their problem if dodgy actors have the ability to obscure the effects of underperformance from corporate.
– mcalex
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At this point, you need to go to HR again, and claim your boss is retaliating against you for pointing out your co-worker was sleeping or not at work.
Be sure to use the word retaliation as in the U.S. (and several other countries) laws protect whistle blowers from reporting unsafe working conditions. What you are experiencing is retaliation and any half-decent HR department will perk up the moment they hear that word.
Begin looking for a new job now!
Even if HR is on your side, there is a good chance your old manager will have connections, and will keep you from getting raises and promotions - and this is one of the better outcomes.
In many cases HR is already in the managers pocket, and they'll make your life terrible so you'll quit on your own, or fire you if that doesn't work. Going to HR usually gives you some breathing room, so use that.
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Having your phone stolen is retaliation. This is now in the revision history.
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This is certainly a whistle-blower case. While I would bet money that either the boss or the fired employee stole the phone, it's hard to prove. Either way, go to HR to get as much protection as possible during your job search.
The reaction from staff is pretty common - no one likes to be called out on bad behavior.
If this had not been a hospital (or other situation where people's health and lives were on the line), then the OP could have just not done the other person's job and let the higher-ups deal with it. In this case letting patients suffer due to an absent nurse would have been unethical.
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Just for the record, I don't see anything there than indicates overt retaliation.
– Gregory Currie
2 days ago
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@GregoryCurrieNow the administrator and all the staff don't talk to me.
It's hard to say whetherEverybody hates me
can be proven or not because sometimes in these situations your imagination can conjure up all kinds of things that aren't real but I would think people not talking to you is pretty provable... and it started after the incident. Who knows what else is going on behind the scenes too...
– JeffC
2 days ago
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@GregoryCurrie - You might want to read the question again. The description provided by the author is a classic example of retaliation. Even if it isn't actually retaliation, at the very least it could be considered bullying, which is also illegal in many countries.
– Ramhound
2 days ago
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@jamesqf in addition, I don't think laws can make people talk to you. Albeit amusing, I don't think the police will come and instruct the coworkers to talk to OP and don't be mean when doing it.
– VLAZ
2 days ago
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Consider that hospitals may have legal obligations for level of care. If a software company allows their workers to get drunk on a Friday and go home early that's purely their issue. If a hospital does the same that's almost certainly a crime. The hospital should be (and probably is) glad that the asker went to them and not the police or whichever authority is in charge of hospitals.
– Eric Nolan
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In the original "wall of text" version of this post, you reported that someone stole your phone (presumably the coworker you caught sleeping). Do not hesitate to report this to the police. Stealing your phone is a CRIME. Additionally, ask the police to use any resource your phone company or smartphone builder has to help you locate where it is or where it had been.
A nurse who steals phones is also a nurse who steals wallets. When you're in the hospital, the last thing you need is to have to replace all your credit cards and ID's; it may be simply impossible to do so. They ask me for ID everytime they ask to see my insurance card; if both those had been stolen I would not be able to get the care I needed to get well enough to reach the DMV and get a replacement license. So this isn't merely about stealing the $100 in the wallet, it's about denying care.
You might hit the jackpot and geolocate it to your boss's desk, because if a police officer fishes it out of his desk, then the hospital would be in Very Big Trouble because their staffer aided a crime and cover-up in a whistleblowing situation and that makes them responsible for it. You could build a case against the hospital which may allow you to "cash in"; you might lose that litigation but they'd definitely lose in legal fees alone. HR would not want to take the risk of that, so they'd be inclined to be very accommodating in terms of placing you in a workable position.
The whistleblowing itself is very serious business, and most states have powerful laws to protect whistleblowers. Your boss doesn't owe you any friendship, so you have no standing to complain if he's merely cold. But if his reactions to you are interfering with your ability to do your job, that is retaliation, and state laws are especially harsh on retaliation to whistleblowing.
There is a type of thing called "constructive termination" where a person is made to feel so uncomfortable in their job that they can't stand it and quit. That is commonly seen in response to whistleblowing, and it is basically a textbook case of retaliation. The courts are very familiar with it. (As is the unemployment office, so if you quit because of constructive termination, you have a good shot at unemployment benefits and a small legal victory).
The OP might want to buy a new phone and leave it in an easily-to-steal place ... after installing location-monitoring software.
– Acccumulation
yesterday
I doubt the phone was stolen for profit, but rather because of the video it contained. Thus I see no reason to think the nurse is a threat to wallets.
– Loren Pechtel
21 hours ago
@LorenPechtel The nurse feels entitled to steal time, because she feels sleepy. She felt entitled to steal a phone, because she felt threatened. What happens when she feels threatened by an unexpected car repair? (Let's face it, she's working night shift and she's exhausted because she has a day job, because she can't make ends meet without them).
– Harper
18 hours ago
@Harper The stealing time could indicate a threat to wallets, but I don't think stealing the phone does.
– Loren Pechtel
18 hours ago
Your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs start with assumptions and then go into the (possible) consequences of those. I don't think these kind of speculations should be in an answer.
– Jan Doggen
12 hours ago
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The original version of this question mentions that you are a nurse who works night shifts. I have a lot of experience with family members who work as nurses and I know exactly where you are coming from. Nursing is an industry full of people who care a lot about other people more than they care about themselves. Nurses accept poor working conditions so that their patients don't suffer. They won't strike because then the patients will suffer. I completely understand where you're coming from and why you did what you did.
As for the core of the question that is left:
There's a phrase that "nurses eat their young". Almost every nurse I know has worked in a hostile environment at sometime. Some of them worked in hostile environments for years at a time. There's never been a fix for the hostile environment apart from moving to another ward, or if it's a small hospital, moving to another hospital. Nursing is full of systemic issues that are unlikely to change any time soon.
I don't know if your nurses are unionised or if you're a member of a nurses union, but if you are in this situation the union might be your friend. Nurses unions are (in my experience) not tolerant of your former co-workers behaviour and although the situation could have been handled differently, they should be on your side.
In short:
- Talk to your union
- Move to another ward
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I'm sure everyone here has to same thoughts. You did the right thing, and your ex-colleague got what they deserved. Nobody should be able to cheat a living.
You've made a bold statement in:
Everybody hates me
Unless you can prove this, you should avoid mentioning it... to anyone. I doubt you will ever be able to prove this.
I'm trying so hard to not make any mistakes cause I think they will use it to get rid of me.
Don't worry about this. Do your job as you would. EVERY human being, makes mistakes. If you make small mistakes and they fire you, then it just shows you shouldn't be working here anyway.
I would recommend looking for a new job whilst you have this one and use it as your income source until you find a new post.
If you feel everyone hates you, unfortunately, there is nothing you can do about it unless they act on this but even then problems will still arise. Unfortunately these things happen, bad things happen to good people who genuinely work hard for their living.
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Don't worry about making mistakes when you believe that your boss is looking for an excuse to get rid of you? That is very optimistic.
– fNek
2 days ago
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"it just shows you shouldn't be working here anyway", this is not wrong, but some people work in markets where getting a new job is not exactly easy or quick, hence one can keep looking for a new job for years, to no avail. Thus, as an employee, decisions in the workplace should always be taken considering that the current job is the only one available, up until a formal job offer elsewhere is received.
– Mefitico
2 days ago
Every human makes mistakes, true. But if some human is filming other humans making mistakes to make them fired, he/she shouldn't expect tolerance for own mistakes. Nobody likes denunciators.
– Danubian Sailor
yesterday
@DanubianSailor "denunciate: publicly declare to be wrong or evil" This is different from a private statement of fact: "this person is sleeping on the job". If you're going to use a word over and over again, you should understand what it means.
– Gregory Currie
yesterday
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Sleeping on the job is hardly a "mistake". This is a crucial error and should never be done unless permitted. Doing no work is not a "mistake" it is doing no work. You can't make a mistake if you're not doing anything.
– Twyxz
yesterday
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My takeaways in (rough) reverse order of importance:
You're not getting your phone back. If you can disable the login remotely, you should do that. Though you phone is probably at the bottom of a river by now.
Don't worry about Facebook Sometimes with social media we can look for patterns that are simply not there. This could be happening now.
You didn't have real friends if they are going to not talk to you now, they were never your friends. It's good that you know the truth now, as much as it hurts. Try to talk to a few of your coworkers, the ones you think you can trust the most. One-on-one is best. Talk about how you're feeling. If they don't care, they are not your friends.
You helped your coworkers You whistle-blowed on your boss, and your boss was doing the wrong thing. You saved many of your co-workers from having to deal with this, and the administrator will have to be more professional in the future.
You protected the patients health There are reasons why there are multiple staff working the hospital at night. Should something happen to you, maybe fatigue causes you to make a mistake, be inattentive, miss something, there is no check and balance in place to protect the patient health.
You protected the hospital. A follow on from the previous point, should something have happened to a patient, the family sued and in court it showed that a person entrusted with their care was sleeping or not even present, the hospital would probably be looking at a large payout. This is especially true if the person not being present meant that the hospital was not meeting minimum legal standards.
You have an ally which is Corporate. You should get in touch with them to see if they can find you placement elsewhere. You can explain the situation to them, and let them know you were the whistleblower. You can let them know you think that they figured out it is you. You should also speak to the fact that you did the work of two people on many nights, and are a hard worker, but cannot work in this environment. Explain that you are hoping to get another chance elsewhere.
What's done is done. You will debate with yourself what you should have done, but what's done is done. You acted with courage, and you are paying a price. It's not fair. But you have integrity.
You're under extreme stress but not all is lost. I know at times it feels like everything is a mess. The administrator doesn't like you, but she can't find a reason to get rid of you. This must mean you're a great worker.
Eat. Even if you don't feel hungry, force yourself to. Now is not the time to get sick. Don't make your body suffer, just because you mind is suffering.
It's time to work elsewhere There is nothing left for you there. You have a lot of good qualities, work ethic and empathy towards those doing you wrong to name a few. Even if Corporate can't help you, you need to look elsewhere.
84
Great point on reaching out to Corporate for help finding a new job; OP absolutely is right to have reported this person (even if reporting it locally could've been done first) and it's likely that Corporate appreciates it. Also good to recognize that a company can still be a good place to work even when one situation at that company has soured.
– dbeer
2 days ago
28
It might also be worth raising the missing-phone issue with corporate, to see if there are further avenues of investigation they can take.
– GalacticCowboy
2 days ago
12
@Ferrybig: a giant edit to the question removed all the context and left a very generic question that doesn't even mention what kind of job it is.
– Peter Cordes
2 days ago
11
@DanubianSailor Spies and whistleblowers are no the same thing.
– forest
yesterday
20
@DanubianSailor underperforming coworker is your company's problem, not your problem. Yes it is, if the company is taking your benefits to give to the underperformer and expecting you to pick up the slack. Yes it is, if the quality of the job that you share responsibility for is being compromised. As a nurse, yes it definitely is, if patient care standards aren't being met due to the underperformer. Also, I'm curious as to how you think the company is supposed to become aware of their problem if dodgy actors have the ability to obscure the effects of underperformance from corporate.
– mcalex
yesterday
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My takeaways in (rough) reverse order of importance:
You're not getting your phone back. If you can disable the login remotely, you should do that. Though you phone is probably at the bottom of a river by now.
Don't worry about Facebook Sometimes with social media we can look for patterns that are simply not there. This could be happening now.
You didn't have real friends if they are going to not talk to you now, they were never your friends. It's good that you know the truth now, as much as it hurts. Try to talk to a few of your coworkers, the ones you think you can trust the most. One-on-one is best. Talk about how you're feeling. If they don't care, they are not your friends.
You helped your coworkers You whistle-blowed on your boss, and your boss was doing the wrong thing. You saved many of your co-workers from having to deal with this, and the administrator will have to be more professional in the future.
You protected the patients health There are reasons why there are multiple staff working the hospital at night. Should something happen to you, maybe fatigue causes you to make a mistake, be inattentive, miss something, there is no check and balance in place to protect the patient health.
You protected the hospital. A follow on from the previous point, should something have happened to a patient, the family sued and in court it showed that a person entrusted with their care was sleeping or not even present, the hospital would probably be looking at a large payout. This is especially true if the person not being present meant that the hospital was not meeting minimum legal standards.
You have an ally which is Corporate. You should get in touch with them to see if they can find you placement elsewhere. You can explain the situation to them, and let them know you were the whistleblower. You can let them know you think that they figured out it is you. You should also speak to the fact that you did the work of two people on many nights, and are a hard worker, but cannot work in this environment. Explain that you are hoping to get another chance elsewhere.
What's done is done. You will debate with yourself what you should have done, but what's done is done. You acted with courage, and you are paying a price. It's not fair. But you have integrity.
You're under extreme stress but not all is lost. I know at times it feels like everything is a mess. The administrator doesn't like you, but she can't find a reason to get rid of you. This must mean you're a great worker.
Eat. Even if you don't feel hungry, force yourself to. Now is not the time to get sick. Don't make your body suffer, just because you mind is suffering.
It's time to work elsewhere There is nothing left for you there. You have a lot of good qualities, work ethic and empathy towards those doing you wrong to name a few. Even if Corporate can't help you, you need to look elsewhere.
84
Great point on reaching out to Corporate for help finding a new job; OP absolutely is right to have reported this person (even if reporting it locally could've been done first) and it's likely that Corporate appreciates it. Also good to recognize that a company can still be a good place to work even when one situation at that company has soured.
– dbeer
2 days ago
28
It might also be worth raising the missing-phone issue with corporate, to see if there are further avenues of investigation they can take.
– GalacticCowboy
2 days ago
12
@Ferrybig: a giant edit to the question removed all the context and left a very generic question that doesn't even mention what kind of job it is.
– Peter Cordes
2 days ago
11
@DanubianSailor Spies and whistleblowers are no the same thing.
– forest
yesterday
20
@DanubianSailor underperforming coworker is your company's problem, not your problem. Yes it is, if the company is taking your benefits to give to the underperformer and expecting you to pick up the slack. Yes it is, if the quality of the job that you share responsibility for is being compromised. As a nurse, yes it definitely is, if patient care standards aren't being met due to the underperformer. Also, I'm curious as to how you think the company is supposed to become aware of their problem if dodgy actors have the ability to obscure the effects of underperformance from corporate.
– mcalex
yesterday
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My takeaways in (rough) reverse order of importance:
You're not getting your phone back. If you can disable the login remotely, you should do that. Though you phone is probably at the bottom of a river by now.
Don't worry about Facebook Sometimes with social media we can look for patterns that are simply not there. This could be happening now.
You didn't have real friends if they are going to not talk to you now, they were never your friends. It's good that you know the truth now, as much as it hurts. Try to talk to a few of your coworkers, the ones you think you can trust the most. One-on-one is best. Talk about how you're feeling. If they don't care, they are not your friends.
You helped your coworkers You whistle-blowed on your boss, and your boss was doing the wrong thing. You saved many of your co-workers from having to deal with this, and the administrator will have to be more professional in the future.
You protected the patients health There are reasons why there are multiple staff working the hospital at night. Should something happen to you, maybe fatigue causes you to make a mistake, be inattentive, miss something, there is no check and balance in place to protect the patient health.
You protected the hospital. A follow on from the previous point, should something have happened to a patient, the family sued and in court it showed that a person entrusted with their care was sleeping or not even present, the hospital would probably be looking at a large payout. This is especially true if the person not being present meant that the hospital was not meeting minimum legal standards.
You have an ally which is Corporate. You should get in touch with them to see if they can find you placement elsewhere. You can explain the situation to them, and let them know you were the whistleblower. You can let them know you think that they figured out it is you. You should also speak to the fact that you did the work of two people on many nights, and are a hard worker, but cannot work in this environment. Explain that you are hoping to get another chance elsewhere.
What's done is done. You will debate with yourself what you should have done, but what's done is done. You acted with courage, and you are paying a price. It's not fair. But you have integrity.
You're under extreme stress but not all is lost. I know at times it feels like everything is a mess. The administrator doesn't like you, but she can't find a reason to get rid of you. This must mean you're a great worker.
Eat. Even if you don't feel hungry, force yourself to. Now is not the time to get sick. Don't make your body suffer, just because you mind is suffering.
It's time to work elsewhere There is nothing left for you there. You have a lot of good qualities, work ethic and empathy towards those doing you wrong to name a few. Even if Corporate can't help you, you need to look elsewhere.
My takeaways in (rough) reverse order of importance:
You're not getting your phone back. If you can disable the login remotely, you should do that. Though you phone is probably at the bottom of a river by now.
Don't worry about Facebook Sometimes with social media we can look for patterns that are simply not there. This could be happening now.
You didn't have real friends if they are going to not talk to you now, they were never your friends. It's good that you know the truth now, as much as it hurts. Try to talk to a few of your coworkers, the ones you think you can trust the most. One-on-one is best. Talk about how you're feeling. If they don't care, they are not your friends.
You helped your coworkers You whistle-blowed on your boss, and your boss was doing the wrong thing. You saved many of your co-workers from having to deal with this, and the administrator will have to be more professional in the future.
You protected the patients health There are reasons why there are multiple staff working the hospital at night. Should something happen to you, maybe fatigue causes you to make a mistake, be inattentive, miss something, there is no check and balance in place to protect the patient health.
You protected the hospital. A follow on from the previous point, should something have happened to a patient, the family sued and in court it showed that a person entrusted with their care was sleeping or not even present, the hospital would probably be looking at a large payout. This is especially true if the person not being present meant that the hospital was not meeting minimum legal standards.
You have an ally which is Corporate. You should get in touch with them to see if they can find you placement elsewhere. You can explain the situation to them, and let them know you were the whistleblower. You can let them know you think that they figured out it is you. You should also speak to the fact that you did the work of two people on many nights, and are a hard worker, but cannot work in this environment. Explain that you are hoping to get another chance elsewhere.
What's done is done. You will debate with yourself what you should have done, but what's done is done. You acted with courage, and you are paying a price. It's not fair. But you have integrity.
You're under extreme stress but not all is lost. I know at times it feels like everything is a mess. The administrator doesn't like you, but she can't find a reason to get rid of you. This must mean you're a great worker.
Eat. Even if you don't feel hungry, force yourself to. Now is not the time to get sick. Don't make your body suffer, just because you mind is suffering.
It's time to work elsewhere There is nothing left for you there. You have a lot of good qualities, work ethic and empathy towards those doing you wrong to name a few. Even if Corporate can't help you, you need to look elsewhere.
edited yesterday
answered 2 days ago
Gregory CurrieGregory Currie
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Great point on reaching out to Corporate for help finding a new job; OP absolutely is right to have reported this person (even if reporting it locally could've been done first) and it's likely that Corporate appreciates it. Also good to recognize that a company can still be a good place to work even when one situation at that company has soured.
– dbeer
2 days ago
28
It might also be worth raising the missing-phone issue with corporate, to see if there are further avenues of investigation they can take.
– GalacticCowboy
2 days ago
12
@Ferrybig: a giant edit to the question removed all the context and left a very generic question that doesn't even mention what kind of job it is.
– Peter Cordes
2 days ago
11
@DanubianSailor Spies and whistleblowers are no the same thing.
– forest
yesterday
20
@DanubianSailor underperforming coworker is your company's problem, not your problem. Yes it is, if the company is taking your benefits to give to the underperformer and expecting you to pick up the slack. Yes it is, if the quality of the job that you share responsibility for is being compromised. As a nurse, yes it definitely is, if patient care standards aren't being met due to the underperformer. Also, I'm curious as to how you think the company is supposed to become aware of their problem if dodgy actors have the ability to obscure the effects of underperformance from corporate.
– mcalex
yesterday
|
show 14 more comments
84
Great point on reaching out to Corporate for help finding a new job; OP absolutely is right to have reported this person (even if reporting it locally could've been done first) and it's likely that Corporate appreciates it. Also good to recognize that a company can still be a good place to work even when one situation at that company has soured.
– dbeer
2 days ago
28
It might also be worth raising the missing-phone issue with corporate, to see if there are further avenues of investigation they can take.
– GalacticCowboy
2 days ago
12
@Ferrybig: a giant edit to the question removed all the context and left a very generic question that doesn't even mention what kind of job it is.
– Peter Cordes
2 days ago
11
@DanubianSailor Spies and whistleblowers are no the same thing.
– forest
yesterday
20
@DanubianSailor underperforming coworker is your company's problem, not your problem. Yes it is, if the company is taking your benefits to give to the underperformer and expecting you to pick up the slack. Yes it is, if the quality of the job that you share responsibility for is being compromised. As a nurse, yes it definitely is, if patient care standards aren't being met due to the underperformer. Also, I'm curious as to how you think the company is supposed to become aware of their problem if dodgy actors have the ability to obscure the effects of underperformance from corporate.
– mcalex
yesterday
84
84
Great point on reaching out to Corporate for help finding a new job; OP absolutely is right to have reported this person (even if reporting it locally could've been done first) and it's likely that Corporate appreciates it. Also good to recognize that a company can still be a good place to work even when one situation at that company has soured.
– dbeer
2 days ago
Great point on reaching out to Corporate for help finding a new job; OP absolutely is right to have reported this person (even if reporting it locally could've been done first) and it's likely that Corporate appreciates it. Also good to recognize that a company can still be a good place to work even when one situation at that company has soured.
– dbeer
2 days ago
28
28
It might also be worth raising the missing-phone issue with corporate, to see if there are further avenues of investigation they can take.
– GalacticCowboy
2 days ago
It might also be worth raising the missing-phone issue with corporate, to see if there are further avenues of investigation they can take.
– GalacticCowboy
2 days ago
12
12
@Ferrybig: a giant edit to the question removed all the context and left a very generic question that doesn't even mention what kind of job it is.
– Peter Cordes
2 days ago
@Ferrybig: a giant edit to the question removed all the context and left a very generic question that doesn't even mention what kind of job it is.
– Peter Cordes
2 days ago
11
11
@DanubianSailor Spies and whistleblowers are no the same thing.
– forest
yesterday
@DanubianSailor Spies and whistleblowers are no the same thing.
– forest
yesterday
20
20
@DanubianSailor underperforming coworker is your company's problem, not your problem. Yes it is, if the company is taking your benefits to give to the underperformer and expecting you to pick up the slack. Yes it is, if the quality of the job that you share responsibility for is being compromised. As a nurse, yes it definitely is, if patient care standards aren't being met due to the underperformer. Also, I'm curious as to how you think the company is supposed to become aware of their problem if dodgy actors have the ability to obscure the effects of underperformance from corporate.
– mcalex
yesterday
@DanubianSailor underperforming coworker is your company's problem, not your problem. Yes it is, if the company is taking your benefits to give to the underperformer and expecting you to pick up the slack. Yes it is, if the quality of the job that you share responsibility for is being compromised. As a nurse, yes it definitely is, if patient care standards aren't being met due to the underperformer. Also, I'm curious as to how you think the company is supposed to become aware of their problem if dodgy actors have the ability to obscure the effects of underperformance from corporate.
– mcalex
yesterday
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At this point, you need to go to HR again, and claim your boss is retaliating against you for pointing out your co-worker was sleeping or not at work.
Be sure to use the word retaliation as in the U.S. (and several other countries) laws protect whistle blowers from reporting unsafe working conditions. What you are experiencing is retaliation and any half-decent HR department will perk up the moment they hear that word.
Begin looking for a new job now!
Even if HR is on your side, there is a good chance your old manager will have connections, and will keep you from getting raises and promotions - and this is one of the better outcomes.
In many cases HR is already in the managers pocket, and they'll make your life terrible so you'll quit on your own, or fire you if that doesn't work. Going to HR usually gives you some breathing room, so use that.
EDIT
Having your phone stolen is retaliation. This is now in the revision history.
More EDITS
This is certainly a whistle-blower case. While I would bet money that either the boss or the fired employee stole the phone, it's hard to prove. Either way, go to HR to get as much protection as possible during your job search.
The reaction from staff is pretty common - no one likes to be called out on bad behavior.
If this had not been a hospital (or other situation where people's health and lives were on the line), then the OP could have just not done the other person's job and let the higher-ups deal with it. In this case letting patients suffer due to an absent nurse would have been unethical.
7
Just for the record, I don't see anything there than indicates overt retaliation.
– Gregory Currie
2 days ago
5
@GregoryCurrieNow the administrator and all the staff don't talk to me.
It's hard to say whetherEverybody hates me
can be proven or not because sometimes in these situations your imagination can conjure up all kinds of things that aren't real but I would think people not talking to you is pretty provable... and it started after the incident. Who knows what else is going on behind the scenes too...
– JeffC
2 days ago
4
@GregoryCurrie - You might want to read the question again. The description provided by the author is a classic example of retaliation. Even if it isn't actually retaliation, at the very least it could be considered bullying, which is also illegal in many countries.
– Ramhound
2 days ago
2
@jamesqf in addition, I don't think laws can make people talk to you. Albeit amusing, I don't think the police will come and instruct the coworkers to talk to OP and don't be mean when doing it.
– VLAZ
2 days ago
4
Consider that hospitals may have legal obligations for level of care. If a software company allows their workers to get drunk on a Friday and go home early that's purely their issue. If a hospital does the same that's almost certainly a crime. The hospital should be (and probably is) glad that the asker went to them and not the police or whichever authority is in charge of hospitals.
– Eric Nolan
yesterday
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At this point, you need to go to HR again, and claim your boss is retaliating against you for pointing out your co-worker was sleeping or not at work.
Be sure to use the word retaliation as in the U.S. (and several other countries) laws protect whistle blowers from reporting unsafe working conditions. What you are experiencing is retaliation and any half-decent HR department will perk up the moment they hear that word.
Begin looking for a new job now!
Even if HR is on your side, there is a good chance your old manager will have connections, and will keep you from getting raises and promotions - and this is one of the better outcomes.
In many cases HR is already in the managers pocket, and they'll make your life terrible so you'll quit on your own, or fire you if that doesn't work. Going to HR usually gives you some breathing room, so use that.
EDIT
Having your phone stolen is retaliation. This is now in the revision history.
More EDITS
This is certainly a whistle-blower case. While I would bet money that either the boss or the fired employee stole the phone, it's hard to prove. Either way, go to HR to get as much protection as possible during your job search.
The reaction from staff is pretty common - no one likes to be called out on bad behavior.
If this had not been a hospital (or other situation where people's health and lives were on the line), then the OP could have just not done the other person's job and let the higher-ups deal with it. In this case letting patients suffer due to an absent nurse would have been unethical.
7
Just for the record, I don't see anything there than indicates overt retaliation.
– Gregory Currie
2 days ago
5
@GregoryCurrieNow the administrator and all the staff don't talk to me.
It's hard to say whetherEverybody hates me
can be proven or not because sometimes in these situations your imagination can conjure up all kinds of things that aren't real but I would think people not talking to you is pretty provable... and it started after the incident. Who knows what else is going on behind the scenes too...
– JeffC
2 days ago
4
@GregoryCurrie - You might want to read the question again. The description provided by the author is a classic example of retaliation. Even if it isn't actually retaliation, at the very least it could be considered bullying, which is also illegal in many countries.
– Ramhound
2 days ago
2
@jamesqf in addition, I don't think laws can make people talk to you. Albeit amusing, I don't think the police will come and instruct the coworkers to talk to OP and don't be mean when doing it.
– VLAZ
2 days ago
4
Consider that hospitals may have legal obligations for level of care. If a software company allows their workers to get drunk on a Friday and go home early that's purely their issue. If a hospital does the same that's almost certainly a crime. The hospital should be (and probably is) glad that the asker went to them and not the police or whichever authority is in charge of hospitals.
– Eric Nolan
yesterday
|
show 5 more comments
At this point, you need to go to HR again, and claim your boss is retaliating against you for pointing out your co-worker was sleeping or not at work.
Be sure to use the word retaliation as in the U.S. (and several other countries) laws protect whistle blowers from reporting unsafe working conditions. What you are experiencing is retaliation and any half-decent HR department will perk up the moment they hear that word.
Begin looking for a new job now!
Even if HR is on your side, there is a good chance your old manager will have connections, and will keep you from getting raises and promotions - and this is one of the better outcomes.
In many cases HR is already in the managers pocket, and they'll make your life terrible so you'll quit on your own, or fire you if that doesn't work. Going to HR usually gives you some breathing room, so use that.
EDIT
Having your phone stolen is retaliation. This is now in the revision history.
More EDITS
This is certainly a whistle-blower case. While I would bet money that either the boss or the fired employee stole the phone, it's hard to prove. Either way, go to HR to get as much protection as possible during your job search.
The reaction from staff is pretty common - no one likes to be called out on bad behavior.
If this had not been a hospital (or other situation where people's health and lives were on the line), then the OP could have just not done the other person's job and let the higher-ups deal with it. In this case letting patients suffer due to an absent nurse would have been unethical.
At this point, you need to go to HR again, and claim your boss is retaliating against you for pointing out your co-worker was sleeping or not at work.
Be sure to use the word retaliation as in the U.S. (and several other countries) laws protect whistle blowers from reporting unsafe working conditions. What you are experiencing is retaliation and any half-decent HR department will perk up the moment they hear that word.
Begin looking for a new job now!
Even if HR is on your side, there is a good chance your old manager will have connections, and will keep you from getting raises and promotions - and this is one of the better outcomes.
In many cases HR is already in the managers pocket, and they'll make your life terrible so you'll quit on your own, or fire you if that doesn't work. Going to HR usually gives you some breathing room, so use that.
EDIT
Having your phone stolen is retaliation. This is now in the revision history.
More EDITS
This is certainly a whistle-blower case. While I would bet money that either the boss or the fired employee stole the phone, it's hard to prove. Either way, go to HR to get as much protection as possible during your job search.
The reaction from staff is pretty common - no one likes to be called out on bad behavior.
If this had not been a hospital (or other situation where people's health and lives were on the line), then the OP could have just not done the other person's job and let the higher-ups deal with it. In this case letting patients suffer due to an absent nurse would have been unethical.
edited yesterday
answered 2 days ago
sevensevenssevensevens
13.2k42945
13.2k42945
7
Just for the record, I don't see anything there than indicates overt retaliation.
– Gregory Currie
2 days ago
5
@GregoryCurrieNow the administrator and all the staff don't talk to me.
It's hard to say whetherEverybody hates me
can be proven or not because sometimes in these situations your imagination can conjure up all kinds of things that aren't real but I would think people not talking to you is pretty provable... and it started after the incident. Who knows what else is going on behind the scenes too...
– JeffC
2 days ago
4
@GregoryCurrie - You might want to read the question again. The description provided by the author is a classic example of retaliation. Even if it isn't actually retaliation, at the very least it could be considered bullying, which is also illegal in many countries.
– Ramhound
2 days ago
2
@jamesqf in addition, I don't think laws can make people talk to you. Albeit amusing, I don't think the police will come and instruct the coworkers to talk to OP and don't be mean when doing it.
– VLAZ
2 days ago
4
Consider that hospitals may have legal obligations for level of care. If a software company allows their workers to get drunk on a Friday and go home early that's purely their issue. If a hospital does the same that's almost certainly a crime. The hospital should be (and probably is) glad that the asker went to them and not the police or whichever authority is in charge of hospitals.
– Eric Nolan
yesterday
|
show 5 more comments
7
Just for the record, I don't see anything there than indicates overt retaliation.
– Gregory Currie
2 days ago
5
@GregoryCurrieNow the administrator and all the staff don't talk to me.
It's hard to say whetherEverybody hates me
can be proven or not because sometimes in these situations your imagination can conjure up all kinds of things that aren't real but I would think people not talking to you is pretty provable... and it started after the incident. Who knows what else is going on behind the scenes too...
– JeffC
2 days ago
4
@GregoryCurrie - You might want to read the question again. The description provided by the author is a classic example of retaliation. Even if it isn't actually retaliation, at the very least it could be considered bullying, which is also illegal in many countries.
– Ramhound
2 days ago
2
@jamesqf in addition, I don't think laws can make people talk to you. Albeit amusing, I don't think the police will come and instruct the coworkers to talk to OP and don't be mean when doing it.
– VLAZ
2 days ago
4
Consider that hospitals may have legal obligations for level of care. If a software company allows their workers to get drunk on a Friday and go home early that's purely their issue. If a hospital does the same that's almost certainly a crime. The hospital should be (and probably is) glad that the asker went to them and not the police or whichever authority is in charge of hospitals.
– Eric Nolan
yesterday
7
7
Just for the record, I don't see anything there than indicates overt retaliation.
– Gregory Currie
2 days ago
Just for the record, I don't see anything there than indicates overt retaliation.
– Gregory Currie
2 days ago
5
5
@GregoryCurrie
Now the administrator and all the staff don't talk to me.
It's hard to say whether Everybody hates me
can be proven or not because sometimes in these situations your imagination can conjure up all kinds of things that aren't real but I would think people not talking to you is pretty provable... and it started after the incident. Who knows what else is going on behind the scenes too...– JeffC
2 days ago
@GregoryCurrie
Now the administrator and all the staff don't talk to me.
It's hard to say whether Everybody hates me
can be proven or not because sometimes in these situations your imagination can conjure up all kinds of things that aren't real but I would think people not talking to you is pretty provable... and it started after the incident. Who knows what else is going on behind the scenes too...– JeffC
2 days ago
4
4
@GregoryCurrie - You might want to read the question again. The description provided by the author is a classic example of retaliation. Even if it isn't actually retaliation, at the very least it could be considered bullying, which is also illegal in many countries.
– Ramhound
2 days ago
@GregoryCurrie - You might want to read the question again. The description provided by the author is a classic example of retaliation. Even if it isn't actually retaliation, at the very least it could be considered bullying, which is also illegal in many countries.
– Ramhound
2 days ago
2
2
@jamesqf in addition, I don't think laws can make people talk to you. Albeit amusing, I don't think the police will come and instruct the coworkers to talk to OP and don't be mean when doing it.
– VLAZ
2 days ago
@jamesqf in addition, I don't think laws can make people talk to you. Albeit amusing, I don't think the police will come and instruct the coworkers to talk to OP and don't be mean when doing it.
– VLAZ
2 days ago
4
4
Consider that hospitals may have legal obligations for level of care. If a software company allows their workers to get drunk on a Friday and go home early that's purely their issue. If a hospital does the same that's almost certainly a crime. The hospital should be (and probably is) glad that the asker went to them and not the police or whichever authority is in charge of hospitals.
– Eric Nolan
yesterday
Consider that hospitals may have legal obligations for level of care. If a software company allows their workers to get drunk on a Friday and go home early that's purely their issue. If a hospital does the same that's almost certainly a crime. The hospital should be (and probably is) glad that the asker went to them and not the police or whichever authority is in charge of hospitals.
– Eric Nolan
yesterday
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In the original "wall of text" version of this post, you reported that someone stole your phone (presumably the coworker you caught sleeping). Do not hesitate to report this to the police. Stealing your phone is a CRIME. Additionally, ask the police to use any resource your phone company or smartphone builder has to help you locate where it is or where it had been.
A nurse who steals phones is also a nurse who steals wallets. When you're in the hospital, the last thing you need is to have to replace all your credit cards and ID's; it may be simply impossible to do so. They ask me for ID everytime they ask to see my insurance card; if both those had been stolen I would not be able to get the care I needed to get well enough to reach the DMV and get a replacement license. So this isn't merely about stealing the $100 in the wallet, it's about denying care.
You might hit the jackpot and geolocate it to your boss's desk, because if a police officer fishes it out of his desk, then the hospital would be in Very Big Trouble because their staffer aided a crime and cover-up in a whistleblowing situation and that makes them responsible for it. You could build a case against the hospital which may allow you to "cash in"; you might lose that litigation but they'd definitely lose in legal fees alone. HR would not want to take the risk of that, so they'd be inclined to be very accommodating in terms of placing you in a workable position.
The whistleblowing itself is very serious business, and most states have powerful laws to protect whistleblowers. Your boss doesn't owe you any friendship, so you have no standing to complain if he's merely cold. But if his reactions to you are interfering with your ability to do your job, that is retaliation, and state laws are especially harsh on retaliation to whistleblowing.
There is a type of thing called "constructive termination" where a person is made to feel so uncomfortable in their job that they can't stand it and quit. That is commonly seen in response to whistleblowing, and it is basically a textbook case of retaliation. The courts are very familiar with it. (As is the unemployment office, so if you quit because of constructive termination, you have a good shot at unemployment benefits and a small legal victory).
The OP might want to buy a new phone and leave it in an easily-to-steal place ... after installing location-monitoring software.
– Acccumulation
yesterday
I doubt the phone was stolen for profit, but rather because of the video it contained. Thus I see no reason to think the nurse is a threat to wallets.
– Loren Pechtel
21 hours ago
@LorenPechtel The nurse feels entitled to steal time, because she feels sleepy. She felt entitled to steal a phone, because she felt threatened. What happens when she feels threatened by an unexpected car repair? (Let's face it, she's working night shift and she's exhausted because she has a day job, because she can't make ends meet without them).
– Harper
18 hours ago
@Harper The stealing time could indicate a threat to wallets, but I don't think stealing the phone does.
– Loren Pechtel
18 hours ago
Your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs start with assumptions and then go into the (possible) consequences of those. I don't think these kind of speculations should be in an answer.
– Jan Doggen
12 hours ago
add a comment |
In the original "wall of text" version of this post, you reported that someone stole your phone (presumably the coworker you caught sleeping). Do not hesitate to report this to the police. Stealing your phone is a CRIME. Additionally, ask the police to use any resource your phone company or smartphone builder has to help you locate where it is or where it had been.
A nurse who steals phones is also a nurse who steals wallets. When you're in the hospital, the last thing you need is to have to replace all your credit cards and ID's; it may be simply impossible to do so. They ask me for ID everytime they ask to see my insurance card; if both those had been stolen I would not be able to get the care I needed to get well enough to reach the DMV and get a replacement license. So this isn't merely about stealing the $100 in the wallet, it's about denying care.
You might hit the jackpot and geolocate it to your boss's desk, because if a police officer fishes it out of his desk, then the hospital would be in Very Big Trouble because their staffer aided a crime and cover-up in a whistleblowing situation and that makes them responsible for it. You could build a case against the hospital which may allow you to "cash in"; you might lose that litigation but they'd definitely lose in legal fees alone. HR would not want to take the risk of that, so they'd be inclined to be very accommodating in terms of placing you in a workable position.
The whistleblowing itself is very serious business, and most states have powerful laws to protect whistleblowers. Your boss doesn't owe you any friendship, so you have no standing to complain if he's merely cold. But if his reactions to you are interfering with your ability to do your job, that is retaliation, and state laws are especially harsh on retaliation to whistleblowing.
There is a type of thing called "constructive termination" where a person is made to feel so uncomfortable in their job that they can't stand it and quit. That is commonly seen in response to whistleblowing, and it is basically a textbook case of retaliation. The courts are very familiar with it. (As is the unemployment office, so if you quit because of constructive termination, you have a good shot at unemployment benefits and a small legal victory).
The OP might want to buy a new phone and leave it in an easily-to-steal place ... after installing location-monitoring software.
– Acccumulation
yesterday
I doubt the phone was stolen for profit, but rather because of the video it contained. Thus I see no reason to think the nurse is a threat to wallets.
– Loren Pechtel
21 hours ago
@LorenPechtel The nurse feels entitled to steal time, because she feels sleepy. She felt entitled to steal a phone, because she felt threatened. What happens when she feels threatened by an unexpected car repair? (Let's face it, she's working night shift and she's exhausted because she has a day job, because she can't make ends meet without them).
– Harper
18 hours ago
@Harper The stealing time could indicate a threat to wallets, but I don't think stealing the phone does.
– Loren Pechtel
18 hours ago
Your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs start with assumptions and then go into the (possible) consequences of those. I don't think these kind of speculations should be in an answer.
– Jan Doggen
12 hours ago
add a comment |
In the original "wall of text" version of this post, you reported that someone stole your phone (presumably the coworker you caught sleeping). Do not hesitate to report this to the police. Stealing your phone is a CRIME. Additionally, ask the police to use any resource your phone company or smartphone builder has to help you locate where it is or where it had been.
A nurse who steals phones is also a nurse who steals wallets. When you're in the hospital, the last thing you need is to have to replace all your credit cards and ID's; it may be simply impossible to do so. They ask me for ID everytime they ask to see my insurance card; if both those had been stolen I would not be able to get the care I needed to get well enough to reach the DMV and get a replacement license. So this isn't merely about stealing the $100 in the wallet, it's about denying care.
You might hit the jackpot and geolocate it to your boss's desk, because if a police officer fishes it out of his desk, then the hospital would be in Very Big Trouble because their staffer aided a crime and cover-up in a whistleblowing situation and that makes them responsible for it. You could build a case against the hospital which may allow you to "cash in"; you might lose that litigation but they'd definitely lose in legal fees alone. HR would not want to take the risk of that, so they'd be inclined to be very accommodating in terms of placing you in a workable position.
The whistleblowing itself is very serious business, and most states have powerful laws to protect whistleblowers. Your boss doesn't owe you any friendship, so you have no standing to complain if he's merely cold. But if his reactions to you are interfering with your ability to do your job, that is retaliation, and state laws are especially harsh on retaliation to whistleblowing.
There is a type of thing called "constructive termination" where a person is made to feel so uncomfortable in their job that they can't stand it and quit. That is commonly seen in response to whistleblowing, and it is basically a textbook case of retaliation. The courts are very familiar with it. (As is the unemployment office, so if you quit because of constructive termination, you have a good shot at unemployment benefits and a small legal victory).
In the original "wall of text" version of this post, you reported that someone stole your phone (presumably the coworker you caught sleeping). Do not hesitate to report this to the police. Stealing your phone is a CRIME. Additionally, ask the police to use any resource your phone company or smartphone builder has to help you locate where it is or where it had been.
A nurse who steals phones is also a nurse who steals wallets. When you're in the hospital, the last thing you need is to have to replace all your credit cards and ID's; it may be simply impossible to do so. They ask me for ID everytime they ask to see my insurance card; if both those had been stolen I would not be able to get the care I needed to get well enough to reach the DMV and get a replacement license. So this isn't merely about stealing the $100 in the wallet, it's about denying care.
You might hit the jackpot and geolocate it to your boss's desk, because if a police officer fishes it out of his desk, then the hospital would be in Very Big Trouble because their staffer aided a crime and cover-up in a whistleblowing situation and that makes them responsible for it. You could build a case against the hospital which may allow you to "cash in"; you might lose that litigation but they'd definitely lose in legal fees alone. HR would not want to take the risk of that, so they'd be inclined to be very accommodating in terms of placing you in a workable position.
The whistleblowing itself is very serious business, and most states have powerful laws to protect whistleblowers. Your boss doesn't owe you any friendship, so you have no standing to complain if he's merely cold. But if his reactions to you are interfering with your ability to do your job, that is retaliation, and state laws are especially harsh on retaliation to whistleblowing.
There is a type of thing called "constructive termination" where a person is made to feel so uncomfortable in their job that they can't stand it and quit. That is commonly seen in response to whistleblowing, and it is basically a textbook case of retaliation. The courts are very familiar with it. (As is the unemployment office, so if you quit because of constructive termination, you have a good shot at unemployment benefits and a small legal victory).
edited yesterday
answered 2 days ago
HarperHarper
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The OP might want to buy a new phone and leave it in an easily-to-steal place ... after installing location-monitoring software.
– Acccumulation
yesterday
I doubt the phone was stolen for profit, but rather because of the video it contained. Thus I see no reason to think the nurse is a threat to wallets.
– Loren Pechtel
21 hours ago
@LorenPechtel The nurse feels entitled to steal time, because she feels sleepy. She felt entitled to steal a phone, because she felt threatened. What happens when she feels threatened by an unexpected car repair? (Let's face it, she's working night shift and she's exhausted because she has a day job, because she can't make ends meet without them).
– Harper
18 hours ago
@Harper The stealing time could indicate a threat to wallets, but I don't think stealing the phone does.
– Loren Pechtel
18 hours ago
Your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs start with assumptions and then go into the (possible) consequences of those. I don't think these kind of speculations should be in an answer.
– Jan Doggen
12 hours ago
add a comment |
The OP might want to buy a new phone and leave it in an easily-to-steal place ... after installing location-monitoring software.
– Acccumulation
yesterday
I doubt the phone was stolen for profit, but rather because of the video it contained. Thus I see no reason to think the nurse is a threat to wallets.
– Loren Pechtel
21 hours ago
@LorenPechtel The nurse feels entitled to steal time, because she feels sleepy. She felt entitled to steal a phone, because she felt threatened. What happens when she feels threatened by an unexpected car repair? (Let's face it, she's working night shift and she's exhausted because she has a day job, because she can't make ends meet without them).
– Harper
18 hours ago
@Harper The stealing time could indicate a threat to wallets, but I don't think stealing the phone does.
– Loren Pechtel
18 hours ago
Your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs start with assumptions and then go into the (possible) consequences of those. I don't think these kind of speculations should be in an answer.
– Jan Doggen
12 hours ago
The OP might want to buy a new phone and leave it in an easily-to-steal place ... after installing location-monitoring software.
– Acccumulation
yesterday
The OP might want to buy a new phone and leave it in an easily-to-steal place ... after installing location-monitoring software.
– Acccumulation
yesterday
I doubt the phone was stolen for profit, but rather because of the video it contained. Thus I see no reason to think the nurse is a threat to wallets.
– Loren Pechtel
21 hours ago
I doubt the phone was stolen for profit, but rather because of the video it contained. Thus I see no reason to think the nurse is a threat to wallets.
– Loren Pechtel
21 hours ago
@LorenPechtel The nurse feels entitled to steal time, because she feels sleepy. She felt entitled to steal a phone, because she felt threatened. What happens when she feels threatened by an unexpected car repair? (Let's face it, she's working night shift and she's exhausted because she has a day job, because she can't make ends meet without them).
– Harper
18 hours ago
@LorenPechtel The nurse feels entitled to steal time, because she feels sleepy. She felt entitled to steal a phone, because she felt threatened. What happens when she feels threatened by an unexpected car repair? (Let's face it, she's working night shift and she's exhausted because she has a day job, because she can't make ends meet without them).
– Harper
18 hours ago
@Harper The stealing time could indicate a threat to wallets, but I don't think stealing the phone does.
– Loren Pechtel
18 hours ago
@Harper The stealing time could indicate a threat to wallets, but I don't think stealing the phone does.
– Loren Pechtel
18 hours ago
Your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs start with assumptions and then go into the (possible) consequences of those. I don't think these kind of speculations should be in an answer.
– Jan Doggen
12 hours ago
Your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs start with assumptions and then go into the (possible) consequences of those. I don't think these kind of speculations should be in an answer.
– Jan Doggen
12 hours ago
add a comment |
The original version of this question mentions that you are a nurse who works night shifts. I have a lot of experience with family members who work as nurses and I know exactly where you are coming from. Nursing is an industry full of people who care a lot about other people more than they care about themselves. Nurses accept poor working conditions so that their patients don't suffer. They won't strike because then the patients will suffer. I completely understand where you're coming from and why you did what you did.
As for the core of the question that is left:
There's a phrase that "nurses eat their young". Almost every nurse I know has worked in a hostile environment at sometime. Some of them worked in hostile environments for years at a time. There's never been a fix for the hostile environment apart from moving to another ward, or if it's a small hospital, moving to another hospital. Nursing is full of systemic issues that are unlikely to change any time soon.
I don't know if your nurses are unionised or if you're a member of a nurses union, but if you are in this situation the union might be your friend. Nurses unions are (in my experience) not tolerant of your former co-workers behaviour and although the situation could have been handled differently, they should be on your side.
In short:
- Talk to your union
- Move to another ward
add a comment |
The original version of this question mentions that you are a nurse who works night shifts. I have a lot of experience with family members who work as nurses and I know exactly where you are coming from. Nursing is an industry full of people who care a lot about other people more than they care about themselves. Nurses accept poor working conditions so that their patients don't suffer. They won't strike because then the patients will suffer. I completely understand where you're coming from and why you did what you did.
As for the core of the question that is left:
There's a phrase that "nurses eat their young". Almost every nurse I know has worked in a hostile environment at sometime. Some of them worked in hostile environments for years at a time. There's never been a fix for the hostile environment apart from moving to another ward, or if it's a small hospital, moving to another hospital. Nursing is full of systemic issues that are unlikely to change any time soon.
I don't know if your nurses are unionised or if you're a member of a nurses union, but if you are in this situation the union might be your friend. Nurses unions are (in my experience) not tolerant of your former co-workers behaviour and although the situation could have been handled differently, they should be on your side.
In short:
- Talk to your union
- Move to another ward
add a comment |
The original version of this question mentions that you are a nurse who works night shifts. I have a lot of experience with family members who work as nurses and I know exactly where you are coming from. Nursing is an industry full of people who care a lot about other people more than they care about themselves. Nurses accept poor working conditions so that their patients don't suffer. They won't strike because then the patients will suffer. I completely understand where you're coming from and why you did what you did.
As for the core of the question that is left:
There's a phrase that "nurses eat their young". Almost every nurse I know has worked in a hostile environment at sometime. Some of them worked in hostile environments for years at a time. There's never been a fix for the hostile environment apart from moving to another ward, or if it's a small hospital, moving to another hospital. Nursing is full of systemic issues that are unlikely to change any time soon.
I don't know if your nurses are unionised or if you're a member of a nurses union, but if you are in this situation the union might be your friend. Nurses unions are (in my experience) not tolerant of your former co-workers behaviour and although the situation could have been handled differently, they should be on your side.
In short:
- Talk to your union
- Move to another ward
The original version of this question mentions that you are a nurse who works night shifts. I have a lot of experience with family members who work as nurses and I know exactly where you are coming from. Nursing is an industry full of people who care a lot about other people more than they care about themselves. Nurses accept poor working conditions so that their patients don't suffer. They won't strike because then the patients will suffer. I completely understand where you're coming from and why you did what you did.
As for the core of the question that is left:
There's a phrase that "nurses eat their young". Almost every nurse I know has worked in a hostile environment at sometime. Some of them worked in hostile environments for years at a time. There's never been a fix for the hostile environment apart from moving to another ward, or if it's a small hospital, moving to another hospital. Nursing is full of systemic issues that are unlikely to change any time soon.
I don't know if your nurses are unionised or if you're a member of a nurses union, but if you are in this situation the union might be your friend. Nurses unions are (in my experience) not tolerant of your former co-workers behaviour and although the situation could have been handled differently, they should be on your side.
In short:
- Talk to your union
- Move to another ward
answered 2 days ago
Mark HendersonMark Henderson
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add a comment |
I'm sure everyone here has to same thoughts. You did the right thing, and your ex-colleague got what they deserved. Nobody should be able to cheat a living.
You've made a bold statement in:
Everybody hates me
Unless you can prove this, you should avoid mentioning it... to anyone. I doubt you will ever be able to prove this.
I'm trying so hard to not make any mistakes cause I think they will use it to get rid of me.
Don't worry about this. Do your job as you would. EVERY human being, makes mistakes. If you make small mistakes and they fire you, then it just shows you shouldn't be working here anyway.
I would recommend looking for a new job whilst you have this one and use it as your income source until you find a new post.
If you feel everyone hates you, unfortunately, there is nothing you can do about it unless they act on this but even then problems will still arise. Unfortunately these things happen, bad things happen to good people who genuinely work hard for their living.
8
Don't worry about making mistakes when you believe that your boss is looking for an excuse to get rid of you? That is very optimistic.
– fNek
2 days ago
4
"it just shows you shouldn't be working here anyway", this is not wrong, but some people work in markets where getting a new job is not exactly easy or quick, hence one can keep looking for a new job for years, to no avail. Thus, as an employee, decisions in the workplace should always be taken considering that the current job is the only one available, up until a formal job offer elsewhere is received.
– Mefitico
2 days ago
Every human makes mistakes, true. But if some human is filming other humans making mistakes to make them fired, he/she shouldn't expect tolerance for own mistakes. Nobody likes denunciators.
– Danubian Sailor
yesterday
@DanubianSailor "denunciate: publicly declare to be wrong or evil" This is different from a private statement of fact: "this person is sleeping on the job". If you're going to use a word over and over again, you should understand what it means.
– Gregory Currie
yesterday
2
Sleeping on the job is hardly a "mistake". This is a crucial error and should never be done unless permitted. Doing no work is not a "mistake" it is doing no work. You can't make a mistake if you're not doing anything.
– Twyxz
yesterday
add a comment |
I'm sure everyone here has to same thoughts. You did the right thing, and your ex-colleague got what they deserved. Nobody should be able to cheat a living.
You've made a bold statement in:
Everybody hates me
Unless you can prove this, you should avoid mentioning it... to anyone. I doubt you will ever be able to prove this.
I'm trying so hard to not make any mistakes cause I think they will use it to get rid of me.
Don't worry about this. Do your job as you would. EVERY human being, makes mistakes. If you make small mistakes and they fire you, then it just shows you shouldn't be working here anyway.
I would recommend looking for a new job whilst you have this one and use it as your income source until you find a new post.
If you feel everyone hates you, unfortunately, there is nothing you can do about it unless they act on this but even then problems will still arise. Unfortunately these things happen, bad things happen to good people who genuinely work hard for their living.
8
Don't worry about making mistakes when you believe that your boss is looking for an excuse to get rid of you? That is very optimistic.
– fNek
2 days ago
4
"it just shows you shouldn't be working here anyway", this is not wrong, but some people work in markets where getting a new job is not exactly easy or quick, hence one can keep looking for a new job for years, to no avail. Thus, as an employee, decisions in the workplace should always be taken considering that the current job is the only one available, up until a formal job offer elsewhere is received.
– Mefitico
2 days ago
Every human makes mistakes, true. But if some human is filming other humans making mistakes to make them fired, he/she shouldn't expect tolerance for own mistakes. Nobody likes denunciators.
– Danubian Sailor
yesterday
@DanubianSailor "denunciate: publicly declare to be wrong or evil" This is different from a private statement of fact: "this person is sleeping on the job". If you're going to use a word over and over again, you should understand what it means.
– Gregory Currie
yesterday
2
Sleeping on the job is hardly a "mistake". This is a crucial error and should never be done unless permitted. Doing no work is not a "mistake" it is doing no work. You can't make a mistake if you're not doing anything.
– Twyxz
yesterday
add a comment |
I'm sure everyone here has to same thoughts. You did the right thing, and your ex-colleague got what they deserved. Nobody should be able to cheat a living.
You've made a bold statement in:
Everybody hates me
Unless you can prove this, you should avoid mentioning it... to anyone. I doubt you will ever be able to prove this.
I'm trying so hard to not make any mistakes cause I think they will use it to get rid of me.
Don't worry about this. Do your job as you would. EVERY human being, makes mistakes. If you make small mistakes and they fire you, then it just shows you shouldn't be working here anyway.
I would recommend looking for a new job whilst you have this one and use it as your income source until you find a new post.
If you feel everyone hates you, unfortunately, there is nothing you can do about it unless they act on this but even then problems will still arise. Unfortunately these things happen, bad things happen to good people who genuinely work hard for their living.
I'm sure everyone here has to same thoughts. You did the right thing, and your ex-colleague got what they deserved. Nobody should be able to cheat a living.
You've made a bold statement in:
Everybody hates me
Unless you can prove this, you should avoid mentioning it... to anyone. I doubt you will ever be able to prove this.
I'm trying so hard to not make any mistakes cause I think they will use it to get rid of me.
Don't worry about this. Do your job as you would. EVERY human being, makes mistakes. If you make small mistakes and they fire you, then it just shows you shouldn't be working here anyway.
I would recommend looking for a new job whilst you have this one and use it as your income source until you find a new post.
If you feel everyone hates you, unfortunately, there is nothing you can do about it unless they act on this but even then problems will still arise. Unfortunately these things happen, bad things happen to good people who genuinely work hard for their living.
edited 2 days ago
answered 2 days ago
TwyxzTwyxz
13.7k104182
13.7k104182
8
Don't worry about making mistakes when you believe that your boss is looking for an excuse to get rid of you? That is very optimistic.
– fNek
2 days ago
4
"it just shows you shouldn't be working here anyway", this is not wrong, but some people work in markets where getting a new job is not exactly easy or quick, hence one can keep looking for a new job for years, to no avail. Thus, as an employee, decisions in the workplace should always be taken considering that the current job is the only one available, up until a formal job offer elsewhere is received.
– Mefitico
2 days ago
Every human makes mistakes, true. But if some human is filming other humans making mistakes to make them fired, he/she shouldn't expect tolerance for own mistakes. Nobody likes denunciators.
– Danubian Sailor
yesterday
@DanubianSailor "denunciate: publicly declare to be wrong or evil" This is different from a private statement of fact: "this person is sleeping on the job". If you're going to use a word over and over again, you should understand what it means.
– Gregory Currie
yesterday
2
Sleeping on the job is hardly a "mistake". This is a crucial error and should never be done unless permitted. Doing no work is not a "mistake" it is doing no work. You can't make a mistake if you're not doing anything.
– Twyxz
yesterday
add a comment |
8
Don't worry about making mistakes when you believe that your boss is looking for an excuse to get rid of you? That is very optimistic.
– fNek
2 days ago
4
"it just shows you shouldn't be working here anyway", this is not wrong, but some people work in markets where getting a new job is not exactly easy or quick, hence one can keep looking for a new job for years, to no avail. Thus, as an employee, decisions in the workplace should always be taken considering that the current job is the only one available, up until a formal job offer elsewhere is received.
– Mefitico
2 days ago
Every human makes mistakes, true. But if some human is filming other humans making mistakes to make them fired, he/she shouldn't expect tolerance for own mistakes. Nobody likes denunciators.
– Danubian Sailor
yesterday
@DanubianSailor "denunciate: publicly declare to be wrong or evil" This is different from a private statement of fact: "this person is sleeping on the job". If you're going to use a word over and over again, you should understand what it means.
– Gregory Currie
yesterday
2
Sleeping on the job is hardly a "mistake". This is a crucial error and should never be done unless permitted. Doing no work is not a "mistake" it is doing no work. You can't make a mistake if you're not doing anything.
– Twyxz
yesterday
8
8
Don't worry about making mistakes when you believe that your boss is looking for an excuse to get rid of you? That is very optimistic.
– fNek
2 days ago
Don't worry about making mistakes when you believe that your boss is looking for an excuse to get rid of you? That is very optimistic.
– fNek
2 days ago
4
4
"it just shows you shouldn't be working here anyway", this is not wrong, but some people work in markets where getting a new job is not exactly easy or quick, hence one can keep looking for a new job for years, to no avail. Thus, as an employee, decisions in the workplace should always be taken considering that the current job is the only one available, up until a formal job offer elsewhere is received.
– Mefitico
2 days ago
"it just shows you shouldn't be working here anyway", this is not wrong, but some people work in markets where getting a new job is not exactly easy or quick, hence one can keep looking for a new job for years, to no avail. Thus, as an employee, decisions in the workplace should always be taken considering that the current job is the only one available, up until a formal job offer elsewhere is received.
– Mefitico
2 days ago
Every human makes mistakes, true. But if some human is filming other humans making mistakes to make them fired, he/she shouldn't expect tolerance for own mistakes. Nobody likes denunciators.
– Danubian Sailor
yesterday
Every human makes mistakes, true. But if some human is filming other humans making mistakes to make them fired, he/she shouldn't expect tolerance for own mistakes. Nobody likes denunciators.
– Danubian Sailor
yesterday
@DanubianSailor "denunciate: publicly declare to be wrong or evil" This is different from a private statement of fact: "this person is sleeping on the job". If you're going to use a word over and over again, you should understand what it means.
– Gregory Currie
yesterday
@DanubianSailor "denunciate: publicly declare to be wrong or evil" This is different from a private statement of fact: "this person is sleeping on the job". If you're going to use a word over and over again, you should understand what it means.
– Gregory Currie
yesterday
2
2
Sleeping on the job is hardly a "mistake". This is a crucial error and should never be done unless permitted. Doing no work is not a "mistake" it is doing no work. You can't make a mistake if you're not doing anything.
– Twyxz
yesterday
Sleeping on the job is hardly a "mistake". This is a crucial error and should never be done unless permitted. Doing no work is not a "mistake" it is doing no work. You can't make a mistake if you're not doing anything.
– Twyxz
yesterday
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An edit that removed certain things removes almost all connection between the question and top answer... You're not getting your phone back??? Don't worry about Facebook??? What???
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How is that whistleblowing as opposed to plain meddling in company politics?
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