Why didn't Boeing produce its own regional jet?
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Boeing, although it produced many larger narrowbodies, never designed its own regional jet; the only regional jet it ever produced was the DC-9 (from 1997 through 2006, in the DC-9-80 and DC-9-90 series), a (McDonnell) Douglas aircraft which Boeing inherited from Long Beach through a corporate merger.
Why didn't Boeing design and build its own regional jet earlier, to compete with the DC-9?
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Boeing, although it produced many larger narrowbodies, never designed its own regional jet; the only regional jet it ever produced was the DC-9 (from 1997 through 2006, in the DC-9-80 and DC-9-90 series), a (McDonnell) Douglas aircraft which Boeing inherited from Long Beach through a corporate merger.
Why didn't Boeing design and build its own regional jet earlier, to compete with the DC-9?
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This is just a guess, but seeing as the first DC-9 was produced in 1965 and the first 737 was produced in 1966, it would be unlikely that Boeing would design a slightly smaller plane in parallel with the 737 and possibly compete with themselves.
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– selectstriker2
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Boeing, although it produced many larger narrowbodies, never designed its own regional jet; the only regional jet it ever produced was the DC-9 (from 1997 through 2006, in the DC-9-80 and DC-9-90 series), a (McDonnell) Douglas aircraft which Boeing inherited from Long Beach through a corporate merger.
Why didn't Boeing design and build its own regional jet earlier, to compete with the DC-9?
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Boeing, although it produced many larger narrowbodies, never designed its own regional jet; the only regional jet it ever produced was the DC-9 (from 1997 through 2006, in the DC-9-80 and DC-9-90 series), a (McDonnell) Douglas aircraft which Boeing inherited from Long Beach through a corporate merger.
Why didn't Boeing design and build its own regional jet earlier, to compete with the DC-9?
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This is just a guess, but seeing as the first DC-9 was produced in 1965 and the first 737 was produced in 1966, it would be unlikely that Boeing would design a slightly smaller plane in parallel with the 737 and possibly compete with themselves.
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– selectstriker2
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This is just a guess, but seeing as the first DC-9 was produced in 1965 and the first 737 was produced in 1966, it would be unlikely that Boeing would design a slightly smaller plane in parallel with the 737 and possibly compete with themselves.
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– selectstriker2
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This is just a guess, but seeing as the first DC-9 was produced in 1965 and the first 737 was produced in 1966, it would be unlikely that Boeing would design a slightly smaller plane in parallel with the 737 and possibly compete with themselves.
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– selectstriker2
Apr 2 at 17:57
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This is just a guess, but seeing as the first DC-9 was produced in 1965 and the first 737 was produced in 1966, it would be unlikely that Boeing would design a slightly smaller plane in parallel with the 737 and possibly compete with themselves.
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The 737 was basically created to be Boeing's regional jet, but ended up growing into something larger to meet customer demand.
The DC-9 was introduced in 1965 and had variants seating from 90 to 135 in a single class. The 727-100 was introduced around the same time and already covered the upper end of this range. The 727-200 was even larger, almost comparable to a modern 737, so it wasn't really a "regional jet" as we would describe it today, and didn't compete directly with the DC-9. Boeing was looking for something to supplement the larger 727 and better cover lower capacities.
The 737-100 was introduced in 1968. It was designed to be low enough to the ground to allow built-in air stairs and for ground crew to be able to load/unload baggage without equipment. The capacity of 103-118 in a single class placed it right in the middle of the DC-9 market, but the DC-9 and other competition already had a head start. Only 30 of these were built, mostly for Lufthansa. The 737-200 was introduced to meet customer demand for something larger, seating 115 to 130 in a single class. This covers the upper range of the DC-9 family, and over 1,000 of these were built, surpassing the DC-9. These variants were even powered by some of the same variants of the Pratt & Whitney JT8D that the DC-9 used. It carried slightly fewer passengers than a 727-100 but was much lighter and with only 2 engines would have been cheaper to operate. With a gravel kit it could operate even on unpaved runways, and a few examples are still flying for this reason.
The 737-500 was the Classic version that was introduced in 1987 to replace the 737-200, and almost 400 of these were built. The 737-600 was the Next Generation version to replace the 737-500. The 737 had grown to optimally carry more passengers, and only 69 were built. The last 737-600 was built in 2006, with some orders being converted to the slightly larger 737-700. The smallest 737 MAX is the -7, which is slightly larger than the -700, and has not sold very well.
While the 737 NG was ramping up, Boeing did produce what began as the McDonnell Douglas MD-95 under the Boeing 717 name, but production ended amid slow sales. When the market for this size of plane picked up again, Boeing decided not to compete with companies such as Bombardier and Embraer in the regional jet market, as that would probably require a completely new design.
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Sounds like you're saying the 727 is not an RJ.
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– Harper
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Yeah, that's what I thought too.
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Boeing did have a small regional jet called the Boeing 727. This plane was designed to operate at smaller airports, with independence from ground facilities as a selling feature. The best example is that the 727 had built-in stairs in the rear underbelly of the aircraft. This could be opened in flight until some hijacker known as DB Cooper jumped out to make his escape.
The 727-100C could have a combination of 54 passengers and four cargo pallets of freight or up to 94 passengers in a mixed class with no freight.
Until it ended production at 1,832 aircraft, the 727 was the most popular passenger jet ever sold. Since that time, the most popular plane ever sold was the Boeing 737, which could have as few as 85 passengers with the 737-100.
Boeing met a definite need for airlines since it sold so many aircraft. A better question might be what could McDonnell-Douglas have done to meet airline needs and still be a viable competitor.
Two Class Seating Arrangement:
- https://frequentlyflying.boardingarea.com/vintage-airline-seat-map-american-airlines-boeing-727-100-from-1977/
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After outgrowing the Dassault Falcon, Federal Express built their business off of the domestically-operated B727. It was a great plane for what it was used for. But I would imagine that the technology that made smaller jet aircraft cheaper to operate than the existing turbo-prop regional carriers just wasn't quite advanced enough yet.
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– Shawn
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The DB Cooper switch was a pivoting vane (like the AoA sensor) which blocked the aft stair from coming down in the slipstream. It was retrofitted.
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– Harper
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I'm not sure the 727, which seated between 150 and 180 people in a 3+3 configuration is really what would be called a regional jet today.
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– David Richerby
2 days ago
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To add to @DavidRicherby, the 727 had a range of 2,250-2500 nm. Compare that to the range of modern RJs, at around 1500 nm.
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– user71659
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@jpmc26 The modern regional jet wasn't new at all, it was fundamentally an upgrade from prop to jet. The RJs replaced turboprops like the Saab 340, Embraer 120, and before that, Convair 340, Fokker 27, etc. (In fact, the ERJ is a EMB120 they stretched and put jet engines on)
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Well it did have one in the form of the ‘slugs’ - the earlier 737 classic aircraft. They sold outrageously well along with the 727s to fill regional or national routes.
And let’s not forget the airline business was considerably different than it is today in the form of structure and operations so what we consider a ‘regional’ aircraft is very different to what it was back then.
It really wasn’t until the 1990s with deregulation in full force and changes to the labor structure of the airlines going over to the ‘hub and spoke’ approach to travel, which facilitated the rise of the regional carriers and the intro of the fast and efficient 50-60 passenger regional jets. I suspect back in the ‘golden age’ of air travel pre deregulation and oil embargo, when 747s were a status symbol and iconic of the glamour of jet setting, there just would not have been a market, an interest, or both, in a large enough setting to justify investing in a jet that small.
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It's worth noting that "changes to the labor structure of the airlines" also included scope clauses in union contracts, dictating the number and size of aircraft that could be flown by contracted regional carriers. This set the demand for 50 seat (and later 70 and 76 seat) aircraft and created incentives to prefer them over larger models.
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– Zach Lipton
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I'd argue the contrary: the cheap oil of the late 80s-90s brought about the 50 seater RJ. They are definitely not efficient compared to the turboprops they replaced and 100-seaters. They've effectively stopped making them for this reason: the CRJ200 and ERJ145 are out of production. (More than a decade for the CR2)
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Boeing is heavily involved in design and marketing this beauty, the Sukhoi Superjet 100. 78 or 98 seats, with talk of a stretch or two to 120 and 140. Russian built, with largely Western engines, subsystems and avionics. It was poised to do quite well in the RJ market until Euromaidan/Crimea/Donbass threw a big monkey wrench in the political situation. The aircraft is also having the teething pains one expects from a blank-sheet design, and had one all-souls loss entirely not the aircraft or engines' fault. Still, the Superjet soldiers on, and it is closing some sales, with 300 orders on the books. Pretty spectacular for a Russian aircraft, and that's because of Boeing.
The 737 started as an RJ
The famous and popular -800, -900, -8 and -9 stretch so far beyond original design concepts that they actually have tail-strike risks.
- The 737-100 seated 85 passengers and was 94' long.
- The 737-200 (original), -500 (Classic), and -600 (NG) are all ~102' long and seat about 100. This size has not been continued in the 737 Max, so this is Boeing abandoning the "RJ" 737. Nonetheless, Boeing has the designs, and I am sure Boeing cheerfully sell -600s or even "Max 6"s if enough airlines wanted an RJ co-qualified with their bigger 737s. So far, they do not. Nor is it likely, given what a poor seller the A318 has been, and even the Max 7.
MD-95 / "717"
Boeing inherited the DC-9 as part of the McDonnell-Douglas merger (which was mostly about military aircraft). This could have been their RJ, but they failed to continue developing it. though, so we don't have a "717 Max 4" or anything (couple of GE Passports, wouldn't that be nice!)
Boeing also passed on opportunities to gain an RJ via acqusition of Fokker or Canadair. The Sukhoi toe-dip is as close as they've gotten.
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Other answers have noted the history of both the 727 and 737, which started as small regional jets, but grew due to demands from established customers. Regional jets, by contrast, tend to be flown by smaller, regional airlines that transitioned from turboprops (such as the the Bombardier Dash 8) and consequently went to the same manufacturer when they wanted to transition to a regional jet.
To directly answer the question, Boeing apparently did not develop their own regional jet in-house because:
- They believed it would detract from the development of other aircraft that had more profit potential (the 737-MAX and 787 in recent years), and
- Their history with smaller 727's and 737's and the inherited 717 indicated there was an insufficient market for such aircraft.
Instead, when it was finally apparent to them that they needed a regional jet, they elected to make a buy-versus-build decision and entered into a majority stock purchase of Embraer (after the Brazilian government made it clear that an outright acquisition was out of the question). This keeps the development isolated, hence addressing the first concern, and limits their exposure, hence addressing the second concern.
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If by 'RJ' you mean a large business jet (e.g. Global Express, etc) setup for passenger use, I think Boeing felt this was a fad. RJ's have gone in and out of popularity a couple of times. Whenever fuel prices climb, out go the RJ's, back come the turboprops...
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If by "large business jet", you mean a regional jet set up for business use... ;-) More seriously, though, do you have any evidence that this was Boeing's reasoning? We're looking for something more concrete than "some guy on the internet thinks Boeing thinks that XYZ." And, if it is a fad, it's been a very profitable one for Bombardier (1800 CRJs delivered) and Embraer (1200 ERJs and 1500 E-Jets) over the last 25 years.
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The 737 was basically created to be Boeing's regional jet, but ended up growing into something larger to meet customer demand.
The DC-9 was introduced in 1965 and had variants seating from 90 to 135 in a single class. The 727-100 was introduced around the same time and already covered the upper end of this range. The 727-200 was even larger, almost comparable to a modern 737, so it wasn't really a "regional jet" as we would describe it today, and didn't compete directly with the DC-9. Boeing was looking for something to supplement the larger 727 and better cover lower capacities.
The 737-100 was introduced in 1968. It was designed to be low enough to the ground to allow built-in air stairs and for ground crew to be able to load/unload baggage without equipment. The capacity of 103-118 in a single class placed it right in the middle of the DC-9 market, but the DC-9 and other competition already had a head start. Only 30 of these were built, mostly for Lufthansa. The 737-200 was introduced to meet customer demand for something larger, seating 115 to 130 in a single class. This covers the upper range of the DC-9 family, and over 1,000 of these were built, surpassing the DC-9. These variants were even powered by some of the same variants of the Pratt & Whitney JT8D that the DC-9 used. It carried slightly fewer passengers than a 727-100 but was much lighter and with only 2 engines would have been cheaper to operate. With a gravel kit it could operate even on unpaved runways, and a few examples are still flying for this reason.
The 737-500 was the Classic version that was introduced in 1987 to replace the 737-200, and almost 400 of these were built. The 737-600 was the Next Generation version to replace the 737-500. The 737 had grown to optimally carry more passengers, and only 69 were built. The last 737-600 was built in 2006, with some orders being converted to the slightly larger 737-700. The smallest 737 MAX is the -7, which is slightly larger than the -700, and has not sold very well.
While the 737 NG was ramping up, Boeing did produce what began as the McDonnell Douglas MD-95 under the Boeing 717 name, but production ended amid slow sales. When the market for this size of plane picked up again, Boeing decided not to compete with companies such as Bombardier and Embraer in the regional jet market, as that would probably require a completely new design.
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Sounds like you're saying the 727 is not an RJ.
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– Harper
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Yeah, that's what I thought too.
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The 737 was basically created to be Boeing's regional jet, but ended up growing into something larger to meet customer demand.
The DC-9 was introduced in 1965 and had variants seating from 90 to 135 in a single class. The 727-100 was introduced around the same time and already covered the upper end of this range. The 727-200 was even larger, almost comparable to a modern 737, so it wasn't really a "regional jet" as we would describe it today, and didn't compete directly with the DC-9. Boeing was looking for something to supplement the larger 727 and better cover lower capacities.
The 737-100 was introduced in 1968. It was designed to be low enough to the ground to allow built-in air stairs and for ground crew to be able to load/unload baggage without equipment. The capacity of 103-118 in a single class placed it right in the middle of the DC-9 market, but the DC-9 and other competition already had a head start. Only 30 of these were built, mostly for Lufthansa. The 737-200 was introduced to meet customer demand for something larger, seating 115 to 130 in a single class. This covers the upper range of the DC-9 family, and over 1,000 of these were built, surpassing the DC-9. These variants were even powered by some of the same variants of the Pratt & Whitney JT8D that the DC-9 used. It carried slightly fewer passengers than a 727-100 but was much lighter and with only 2 engines would have been cheaper to operate. With a gravel kit it could operate even on unpaved runways, and a few examples are still flying for this reason.
The 737-500 was the Classic version that was introduced in 1987 to replace the 737-200, and almost 400 of these were built. The 737-600 was the Next Generation version to replace the 737-500. The 737 had grown to optimally carry more passengers, and only 69 were built. The last 737-600 was built in 2006, with some orders being converted to the slightly larger 737-700. The smallest 737 MAX is the -7, which is slightly larger than the -700, and has not sold very well.
While the 737 NG was ramping up, Boeing did produce what began as the McDonnell Douglas MD-95 under the Boeing 717 name, but production ended amid slow sales. When the market for this size of plane picked up again, Boeing decided not to compete with companies such as Bombardier and Embraer in the regional jet market, as that would probably require a completely new design.
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Sounds like you're saying the 727 is not an RJ.
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– Harper
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Yeah, that's what I thought too.
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– Harper
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The 737 was basically created to be Boeing's regional jet, but ended up growing into something larger to meet customer demand.
The DC-9 was introduced in 1965 and had variants seating from 90 to 135 in a single class. The 727-100 was introduced around the same time and already covered the upper end of this range. The 727-200 was even larger, almost comparable to a modern 737, so it wasn't really a "regional jet" as we would describe it today, and didn't compete directly with the DC-9. Boeing was looking for something to supplement the larger 727 and better cover lower capacities.
The 737-100 was introduced in 1968. It was designed to be low enough to the ground to allow built-in air stairs and for ground crew to be able to load/unload baggage without equipment. The capacity of 103-118 in a single class placed it right in the middle of the DC-9 market, but the DC-9 and other competition already had a head start. Only 30 of these were built, mostly for Lufthansa. The 737-200 was introduced to meet customer demand for something larger, seating 115 to 130 in a single class. This covers the upper range of the DC-9 family, and over 1,000 of these were built, surpassing the DC-9. These variants were even powered by some of the same variants of the Pratt & Whitney JT8D that the DC-9 used. It carried slightly fewer passengers than a 727-100 but was much lighter and with only 2 engines would have been cheaper to operate. With a gravel kit it could operate even on unpaved runways, and a few examples are still flying for this reason.
The 737-500 was the Classic version that was introduced in 1987 to replace the 737-200, and almost 400 of these were built. The 737-600 was the Next Generation version to replace the 737-500. The 737 had grown to optimally carry more passengers, and only 69 were built. The last 737-600 was built in 2006, with some orders being converted to the slightly larger 737-700. The smallest 737 MAX is the -7, which is slightly larger than the -700, and has not sold very well.
While the 737 NG was ramping up, Boeing did produce what began as the McDonnell Douglas MD-95 under the Boeing 717 name, but production ended amid slow sales. When the market for this size of plane picked up again, Boeing decided not to compete with companies such as Bombardier and Embraer in the regional jet market, as that would probably require a completely new design.
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The 737 was basically created to be Boeing's regional jet, but ended up growing into something larger to meet customer demand.
The DC-9 was introduced in 1965 and had variants seating from 90 to 135 in a single class. The 727-100 was introduced around the same time and already covered the upper end of this range. The 727-200 was even larger, almost comparable to a modern 737, so it wasn't really a "regional jet" as we would describe it today, and didn't compete directly with the DC-9. Boeing was looking for something to supplement the larger 727 and better cover lower capacities.
The 737-100 was introduced in 1968. It was designed to be low enough to the ground to allow built-in air stairs and for ground crew to be able to load/unload baggage without equipment. The capacity of 103-118 in a single class placed it right in the middle of the DC-9 market, but the DC-9 and other competition already had a head start. Only 30 of these were built, mostly for Lufthansa. The 737-200 was introduced to meet customer demand for something larger, seating 115 to 130 in a single class. This covers the upper range of the DC-9 family, and over 1,000 of these were built, surpassing the DC-9. These variants were even powered by some of the same variants of the Pratt & Whitney JT8D that the DC-9 used. It carried slightly fewer passengers than a 727-100 but was much lighter and with only 2 engines would have been cheaper to operate. With a gravel kit it could operate even on unpaved runways, and a few examples are still flying for this reason.
The 737-500 was the Classic version that was introduced in 1987 to replace the 737-200, and almost 400 of these were built. The 737-600 was the Next Generation version to replace the 737-500. The 737 had grown to optimally carry more passengers, and only 69 were built. The last 737-600 was built in 2006, with some orders being converted to the slightly larger 737-700. The smallest 737 MAX is the -7, which is slightly larger than the -700, and has not sold very well.
While the 737 NG was ramping up, Boeing did produce what began as the McDonnell Douglas MD-95 under the Boeing 717 name, but production ended amid slow sales. When the market for this size of plane picked up again, Boeing decided not to compete with companies such as Bombardier and Embraer in the regional jet market, as that would probably require a completely new design.
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Sounds like you're saying the 727 is not an RJ.
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– Harper
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Yeah, that's what I thought too.
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Sounds like you're saying the 727 is not an RJ.
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– Harper
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Yeah, that's what I thought too.
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Sounds like you're saying the 727 is not an RJ.
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– Harper
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Sounds like you're saying the 727 is not an RJ.
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– Harper
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Yeah, that's what I thought too.
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Boeing did have a small regional jet called the Boeing 727. This plane was designed to operate at smaller airports, with independence from ground facilities as a selling feature. The best example is that the 727 had built-in stairs in the rear underbelly of the aircraft. This could be opened in flight until some hijacker known as DB Cooper jumped out to make his escape.
The 727-100C could have a combination of 54 passengers and four cargo pallets of freight or up to 94 passengers in a mixed class with no freight.
Until it ended production at 1,832 aircraft, the 727 was the most popular passenger jet ever sold. Since that time, the most popular plane ever sold was the Boeing 737, which could have as few as 85 passengers with the 737-100.
Boeing met a definite need for airlines since it sold so many aircraft. A better question might be what could McDonnell-Douglas have done to meet airline needs and still be a viable competitor.
Two Class Seating Arrangement:
- https://frequentlyflying.boardingarea.com/vintage-airline-seat-map-american-airlines-boeing-727-100-from-1977/
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After outgrowing the Dassault Falcon, Federal Express built their business off of the domestically-operated B727. It was a great plane for what it was used for. But I would imagine that the technology that made smaller jet aircraft cheaper to operate than the existing turbo-prop regional carriers just wasn't quite advanced enough yet.
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– Shawn
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The DB Cooper switch was a pivoting vane (like the AoA sensor) which blocked the aft stair from coming down in the slipstream. It was retrofitted.
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– Harper
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I'm not sure the 727, which seated between 150 and 180 people in a 3+3 configuration is really what would be called a regional jet today.
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– David Richerby
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To add to @DavidRicherby, the 727 had a range of 2,250-2500 nm. Compare that to the range of modern RJs, at around 1500 nm.
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– user71659
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@jpmc26 The modern regional jet wasn't new at all, it was fundamentally an upgrade from prop to jet. The RJs replaced turboprops like the Saab 340, Embraer 120, and before that, Convair 340, Fokker 27, etc. (In fact, the ERJ is a EMB120 they stretched and put jet engines on)
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Boeing did have a small regional jet called the Boeing 727. This plane was designed to operate at smaller airports, with independence from ground facilities as a selling feature. The best example is that the 727 had built-in stairs in the rear underbelly of the aircraft. This could be opened in flight until some hijacker known as DB Cooper jumped out to make his escape.
The 727-100C could have a combination of 54 passengers and four cargo pallets of freight or up to 94 passengers in a mixed class with no freight.
Until it ended production at 1,832 aircraft, the 727 was the most popular passenger jet ever sold. Since that time, the most popular plane ever sold was the Boeing 737, which could have as few as 85 passengers with the 737-100.
Boeing met a definite need for airlines since it sold so many aircraft. A better question might be what could McDonnell-Douglas have done to meet airline needs and still be a viable competitor.
Two Class Seating Arrangement:
- https://frequentlyflying.boardingarea.com/vintage-airline-seat-map-american-airlines-boeing-727-100-from-1977/
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After outgrowing the Dassault Falcon, Federal Express built their business off of the domestically-operated B727. It was a great plane for what it was used for. But I would imagine that the technology that made smaller jet aircraft cheaper to operate than the existing turbo-prop regional carriers just wasn't quite advanced enough yet.
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– Shawn
Apr 2 at 20:07
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The DB Cooper switch was a pivoting vane (like the AoA sensor) which blocked the aft stair from coming down in the slipstream. It was retrofitted.
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– Harper
Apr 2 at 23:01
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I'm not sure the 727, which seated between 150 and 180 people in a 3+3 configuration is really what would be called a regional jet today.
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– David Richerby
2 days ago
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To add to @DavidRicherby, the 727 had a range of 2,250-2500 nm. Compare that to the range of modern RJs, at around 1500 nm.
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– user71659
2 days ago
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@jpmc26 The modern regional jet wasn't new at all, it was fundamentally an upgrade from prop to jet. The RJs replaced turboprops like the Saab 340, Embraer 120, and before that, Convair 340, Fokker 27, etc. (In fact, the ERJ is a EMB120 they stretched and put jet engines on)
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Boeing did have a small regional jet called the Boeing 727. This plane was designed to operate at smaller airports, with independence from ground facilities as a selling feature. The best example is that the 727 had built-in stairs in the rear underbelly of the aircraft. This could be opened in flight until some hijacker known as DB Cooper jumped out to make his escape.
The 727-100C could have a combination of 54 passengers and four cargo pallets of freight or up to 94 passengers in a mixed class with no freight.
Until it ended production at 1,832 aircraft, the 727 was the most popular passenger jet ever sold. Since that time, the most popular plane ever sold was the Boeing 737, which could have as few as 85 passengers with the 737-100.
Boeing met a definite need for airlines since it sold so many aircraft. A better question might be what could McDonnell-Douglas have done to meet airline needs and still be a viable competitor.
Two Class Seating Arrangement:
- https://frequentlyflying.boardingarea.com/vintage-airline-seat-map-american-airlines-boeing-727-100-from-1977/
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Boeing did have a small regional jet called the Boeing 727. This plane was designed to operate at smaller airports, with independence from ground facilities as a selling feature. The best example is that the 727 had built-in stairs in the rear underbelly of the aircraft. This could be opened in flight until some hijacker known as DB Cooper jumped out to make his escape.
The 727-100C could have a combination of 54 passengers and four cargo pallets of freight or up to 94 passengers in a mixed class with no freight.
Until it ended production at 1,832 aircraft, the 727 was the most popular passenger jet ever sold. Since that time, the most popular plane ever sold was the Boeing 737, which could have as few as 85 passengers with the 737-100.
Boeing met a definite need for airlines since it sold so many aircraft. A better question might be what could McDonnell-Douglas have done to meet airline needs and still be a viable competitor.
Two Class Seating Arrangement:
- https://frequentlyflying.boardingarea.com/vintage-airline-seat-map-american-airlines-boeing-727-100-from-1977/
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answered Apr 2 at 18:14
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After outgrowing the Dassault Falcon, Federal Express built their business off of the domestically-operated B727. It was a great plane for what it was used for. But I would imagine that the technology that made smaller jet aircraft cheaper to operate than the existing turbo-prop regional carriers just wasn't quite advanced enough yet.
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– Shawn
Apr 2 at 20:07
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The DB Cooper switch was a pivoting vane (like the AoA sensor) which blocked the aft stair from coming down in the slipstream. It was retrofitted.
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– Harper
Apr 2 at 23:01
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I'm not sure the 727, which seated between 150 and 180 people in a 3+3 configuration is really what would be called a regional jet today.
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– David Richerby
2 days ago
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To add to @DavidRicherby, the 727 had a range of 2,250-2500 nm. Compare that to the range of modern RJs, at around 1500 nm.
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– user71659
2 days ago
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@jpmc26 The modern regional jet wasn't new at all, it was fundamentally an upgrade from prop to jet. The RJs replaced turboprops like the Saab 340, Embraer 120, and before that, Convair 340, Fokker 27, etc. (In fact, the ERJ is a EMB120 they stretched and put jet engines on)
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After outgrowing the Dassault Falcon, Federal Express built their business off of the domestically-operated B727. It was a great plane for what it was used for. But I would imagine that the technology that made smaller jet aircraft cheaper to operate than the existing turbo-prop regional carriers just wasn't quite advanced enough yet.
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– Shawn
Apr 2 at 20:07
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The DB Cooper switch was a pivoting vane (like the AoA sensor) which blocked the aft stair from coming down in the slipstream. It was retrofitted.
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– Harper
Apr 2 at 23:01
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I'm not sure the 727, which seated between 150 and 180 people in a 3+3 configuration is really what would be called a regional jet today.
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– David Richerby
2 days ago
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To add to @DavidRicherby, the 727 had a range of 2,250-2500 nm. Compare that to the range of modern RJs, at around 1500 nm.
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– user71659
2 days ago
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@jpmc26 The modern regional jet wasn't new at all, it was fundamentally an upgrade from prop to jet. The RJs replaced turboprops like the Saab 340, Embraer 120, and before that, Convair 340, Fokker 27, etc. (In fact, the ERJ is a EMB120 they stretched and put jet engines on)
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– user71659
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After outgrowing the Dassault Falcon, Federal Express built their business off of the domestically-operated B727. It was a great plane for what it was used for. But I would imagine that the technology that made smaller jet aircraft cheaper to operate than the existing turbo-prop regional carriers just wasn't quite advanced enough yet.
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– Shawn
Apr 2 at 20:07
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After outgrowing the Dassault Falcon, Federal Express built their business off of the domestically-operated B727. It was a great plane for what it was used for. But I would imagine that the technology that made smaller jet aircraft cheaper to operate than the existing turbo-prop regional carriers just wasn't quite advanced enough yet.
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– Shawn
Apr 2 at 20:07
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The DB Cooper switch was a pivoting vane (like the AoA sensor) which blocked the aft stair from coming down in the slipstream. It was retrofitted.
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– Harper
Apr 2 at 23:01
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The DB Cooper switch was a pivoting vane (like the AoA sensor) which blocked the aft stair from coming down in the slipstream. It was retrofitted.
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– Harper
Apr 2 at 23:01
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I'm not sure the 727, which seated between 150 and 180 people in a 3+3 configuration is really what would be called a regional jet today.
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– David Richerby
2 days ago
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I'm not sure the 727, which seated between 150 and 180 people in a 3+3 configuration is really what would be called a regional jet today.
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– David Richerby
2 days ago
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To add to @DavidRicherby, the 727 had a range of 2,250-2500 nm. Compare that to the range of modern RJs, at around 1500 nm.
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– user71659
2 days ago
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To add to @DavidRicherby, the 727 had a range of 2,250-2500 nm. Compare that to the range of modern RJs, at around 1500 nm.
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– user71659
2 days ago
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@jpmc26 The modern regional jet wasn't new at all, it was fundamentally an upgrade from prop to jet. The RJs replaced turboprops like the Saab 340, Embraer 120, and before that, Convair 340, Fokker 27, etc. (In fact, the ERJ is a EMB120 they stretched and put jet engines on)
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– user71659
2 days ago
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@jpmc26 The modern regional jet wasn't new at all, it was fundamentally an upgrade from prop to jet. The RJs replaced turboprops like the Saab 340, Embraer 120, and before that, Convair 340, Fokker 27, etc. (In fact, the ERJ is a EMB120 they stretched and put jet engines on)
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Well it did have one in the form of the ‘slugs’ - the earlier 737 classic aircraft. They sold outrageously well along with the 727s to fill regional or national routes.
And let’s not forget the airline business was considerably different than it is today in the form of structure and operations so what we consider a ‘regional’ aircraft is very different to what it was back then.
It really wasn’t until the 1990s with deregulation in full force and changes to the labor structure of the airlines going over to the ‘hub and spoke’ approach to travel, which facilitated the rise of the regional carriers and the intro of the fast and efficient 50-60 passenger regional jets. I suspect back in the ‘golden age’ of air travel pre deregulation and oil embargo, when 747s were a status symbol and iconic of the glamour of jet setting, there just would not have been a market, an interest, or both, in a large enough setting to justify investing in a jet that small.
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It's worth noting that "changes to the labor structure of the airlines" also included scope clauses in union contracts, dictating the number and size of aircraft that could be flown by contracted regional carriers. This set the demand for 50 seat (and later 70 and 76 seat) aircraft and created incentives to prefer them over larger models.
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– Zach Lipton
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I'd argue the contrary: the cheap oil of the late 80s-90s brought about the 50 seater RJ. They are definitely not efficient compared to the turboprops they replaced and 100-seaters. They've effectively stopped making them for this reason: the CRJ200 and ERJ145 are out of production. (More than a decade for the CR2)
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Well it did have one in the form of the ‘slugs’ - the earlier 737 classic aircraft. They sold outrageously well along with the 727s to fill regional or national routes.
And let’s not forget the airline business was considerably different than it is today in the form of structure and operations so what we consider a ‘regional’ aircraft is very different to what it was back then.
It really wasn’t until the 1990s with deregulation in full force and changes to the labor structure of the airlines going over to the ‘hub and spoke’ approach to travel, which facilitated the rise of the regional carriers and the intro of the fast and efficient 50-60 passenger regional jets. I suspect back in the ‘golden age’ of air travel pre deregulation and oil embargo, when 747s were a status symbol and iconic of the glamour of jet setting, there just would not have been a market, an interest, or both, in a large enough setting to justify investing in a jet that small.
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It's worth noting that "changes to the labor structure of the airlines" also included scope clauses in union contracts, dictating the number and size of aircraft that could be flown by contracted regional carriers. This set the demand for 50 seat (and later 70 and 76 seat) aircraft and created incentives to prefer them over larger models.
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– Zach Lipton
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I'd argue the contrary: the cheap oil of the late 80s-90s brought about the 50 seater RJ. They are definitely not efficient compared to the turboprops they replaced and 100-seaters. They've effectively stopped making them for this reason: the CRJ200 and ERJ145 are out of production. (More than a decade for the CR2)
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– user71659
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Well it did have one in the form of the ‘slugs’ - the earlier 737 classic aircraft. They sold outrageously well along with the 727s to fill regional or national routes.
And let’s not forget the airline business was considerably different than it is today in the form of structure and operations so what we consider a ‘regional’ aircraft is very different to what it was back then.
It really wasn’t until the 1990s with deregulation in full force and changes to the labor structure of the airlines going over to the ‘hub and spoke’ approach to travel, which facilitated the rise of the regional carriers and the intro of the fast and efficient 50-60 passenger regional jets. I suspect back in the ‘golden age’ of air travel pre deregulation and oil embargo, when 747s were a status symbol and iconic of the glamour of jet setting, there just would not have been a market, an interest, or both, in a large enough setting to justify investing in a jet that small.
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Well it did have one in the form of the ‘slugs’ - the earlier 737 classic aircraft. They sold outrageously well along with the 727s to fill regional or national routes.
And let’s not forget the airline business was considerably different than it is today in the form of structure and operations so what we consider a ‘regional’ aircraft is very different to what it was back then.
It really wasn’t until the 1990s with deregulation in full force and changes to the labor structure of the airlines going over to the ‘hub and spoke’ approach to travel, which facilitated the rise of the regional carriers and the intro of the fast and efficient 50-60 passenger regional jets. I suspect back in the ‘golden age’ of air travel pre deregulation and oil embargo, when 747s were a status symbol and iconic of the glamour of jet setting, there just would not have been a market, an interest, or both, in a large enough setting to justify investing in a jet that small.
answered Apr 2 at 18:43
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It's worth noting that "changes to the labor structure of the airlines" also included scope clauses in union contracts, dictating the number and size of aircraft that could be flown by contracted regional carriers. This set the demand for 50 seat (and later 70 and 76 seat) aircraft and created incentives to prefer them over larger models.
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– Zach Lipton
Apr 2 at 22:40
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I'd argue the contrary: the cheap oil of the late 80s-90s brought about the 50 seater RJ. They are definitely not efficient compared to the turboprops they replaced and 100-seaters. They've effectively stopped making them for this reason: the CRJ200 and ERJ145 are out of production. (More than a decade for the CR2)
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– user71659
2 days ago
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It's worth noting that "changes to the labor structure of the airlines" also included scope clauses in union contracts, dictating the number and size of aircraft that could be flown by contracted regional carriers. This set the demand for 50 seat (and later 70 and 76 seat) aircraft and created incentives to prefer them over larger models.
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– Zach Lipton
Apr 2 at 22:40
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I'd argue the contrary: the cheap oil of the late 80s-90s brought about the 50 seater RJ. They are definitely not efficient compared to the turboprops they replaced and 100-seaters. They've effectively stopped making them for this reason: the CRJ200 and ERJ145 are out of production. (More than a decade for the CR2)
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– user71659
2 days ago
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It's worth noting that "changes to the labor structure of the airlines" also included scope clauses in union contracts, dictating the number and size of aircraft that could be flown by contracted regional carriers. This set the demand for 50 seat (and later 70 and 76 seat) aircraft and created incentives to prefer them over larger models.
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– Zach Lipton
Apr 2 at 22:40
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It's worth noting that "changes to the labor structure of the airlines" also included scope clauses in union contracts, dictating the number and size of aircraft that could be flown by contracted regional carriers. This set the demand for 50 seat (and later 70 and 76 seat) aircraft and created incentives to prefer them over larger models.
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– Zach Lipton
Apr 2 at 22:40
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I'd argue the contrary: the cheap oil of the late 80s-90s brought about the 50 seater RJ. They are definitely not efficient compared to the turboprops they replaced and 100-seaters. They've effectively stopped making them for this reason: the CRJ200 and ERJ145 are out of production. (More than a decade for the CR2)
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– user71659
2 days ago
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I'd argue the contrary: the cheap oil of the late 80s-90s brought about the 50 seater RJ. They are definitely not efficient compared to the turboprops they replaced and 100-seaters. They've effectively stopped making them for this reason: the CRJ200 and ERJ145 are out of production. (More than a decade for the CR2)
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– user71659
2 days ago
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Via a third party
Boeing is heavily involved in design and marketing this beauty, the Sukhoi Superjet 100. 78 or 98 seats, with talk of a stretch or two to 120 and 140. Russian built, with largely Western engines, subsystems and avionics. It was poised to do quite well in the RJ market until Euromaidan/Crimea/Donbass threw a big monkey wrench in the political situation. The aircraft is also having the teething pains one expects from a blank-sheet design, and had one all-souls loss entirely not the aircraft or engines' fault. Still, the Superjet soldiers on, and it is closing some sales, with 300 orders on the books. Pretty spectacular for a Russian aircraft, and that's because of Boeing.
The 737 started as an RJ
The famous and popular -800, -900, -8 and -9 stretch so far beyond original design concepts that they actually have tail-strike risks.
- The 737-100 seated 85 passengers and was 94' long.
- The 737-200 (original), -500 (Classic), and -600 (NG) are all ~102' long and seat about 100. This size has not been continued in the 737 Max, so this is Boeing abandoning the "RJ" 737. Nonetheless, Boeing has the designs, and I am sure Boeing cheerfully sell -600s or even "Max 6"s if enough airlines wanted an RJ co-qualified with their bigger 737s. So far, they do not. Nor is it likely, given what a poor seller the A318 has been, and even the Max 7.
MD-95 / "717"
Boeing inherited the DC-9 as part of the McDonnell-Douglas merger (which was mostly about military aircraft). This could have been their RJ, but they failed to continue developing it. though, so we don't have a "717 Max 4" or anything (couple of GE Passports, wouldn't that be nice!)
Boeing also passed on opportunities to gain an RJ via acqusition of Fokker or Canadair. The Sukhoi toe-dip is as close as they've gotten.
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Via a third party
Boeing is heavily involved in design and marketing this beauty, the Sukhoi Superjet 100. 78 or 98 seats, with talk of a stretch or two to 120 and 140. Russian built, with largely Western engines, subsystems and avionics. It was poised to do quite well in the RJ market until Euromaidan/Crimea/Donbass threw a big monkey wrench in the political situation. The aircraft is also having the teething pains one expects from a blank-sheet design, and had one all-souls loss entirely not the aircraft or engines' fault. Still, the Superjet soldiers on, and it is closing some sales, with 300 orders on the books. Pretty spectacular for a Russian aircraft, and that's because of Boeing.
The 737 started as an RJ
The famous and popular -800, -900, -8 and -9 stretch so far beyond original design concepts that they actually have tail-strike risks.
- The 737-100 seated 85 passengers and was 94' long.
- The 737-200 (original), -500 (Classic), and -600 (NG) are all ~102' long and seat about 100. This size has not been continued in the 737 Max, so this is Boeing abandoning the "RJ" 737. Nonetheless, Boeing has the designs, and I am sure Boeing cheerfully sell -600s or even "Max 6"s if enough airlines wanted an RJ co-qualified with their bigger 737s. So far, they do not. Nor is it likely, given what a poor seller the A318 has been, and even the Max 7.
MD-95 / "717"
Boeing inherited the DC-9 as part of the McDonnell-Douglas merger (which was mostly about military aircraft). This could have been their RJ, but they failed to continue developing it. though, so we don't have a "717 Max 4" or anything (couple of GE Passports, wouldn't that be nice!)
Boeing also passed on opportunities to gain an RJ via acqusition of Fokker or Canadair. The Sukhoi toe-dip is as close as they've gotten.
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Via a third party
Boeing is heavily involved in design and marketing this beauty, the Sukhoi Superjet 100. 78 or 98 seats, with talk of a stretch or two to 120 and 140. Russian built, with largely Western engines, subsystems and avionics. It was poised to do quite well in the RJ market until Euromaidan/Crimea/Donbass threw a big monkey wrench in the political situation. The aircraft is also having the teething pains one expects from a blank-sheet design, and had one all-souls loss entirely not the aircraft or engines' fault. Still, the Superjet soldiers on, and it is closing some sales, with 300 orders on the books. Pretty spectacular for a Russian aircraft, and that's because of Boeing.
The 737 started as an RJ
The famous and popular -800, -900, -8 and -9 stretch so far beyond original design concepts that they actually have tail-strike risks.
- The 737-100 seated 85 passengers and was 94' long.
- The 737-200 (original), -500 (Classic), and -600 (NG) are all ~102' long and seat about 100. This size has not been continued in the 737 Max, so this is Boeing abandoning the "RJ" 737. Nonetheless, Boeing has the designs, and I am sure Boeing cheerfully sell -600s or even "Max 6"s if enough airlines wanted an RJ co-qualified with their bigger 737s. So far, they do not. Nor is it likely, given what a poor seller the A318 has been, and even the Max 7.
MD-95 / "717"
Boeing inherited the DC-9 as part of the McDonnell-Douglas merger (which was mostly about military aircraft). This could have been their RJ, but they failed to continue developing it. though, so we don't have a "717 Max 4" or anything (couple of GE Passports, wouldn't that be nice!)
Boeing also passed on opportunities to gain an RJ via acqusition of Fokker or Canadair. The Sukhoi toe-dip is as close as they've gotten.
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Via a third party
Boeing is heavily involved in design and marketing this beauty, the Sukhoi Superjet 100. 78 or 98 seats, with talk of a stretch or two to 120 and 140. Russian built, with largely Western engines, subsystems and avionics. It was poised to do quite well in the RJ market until Euromaidan/Crimea/Donbass threw a big monkey wrench in the political situation. The aircraft is also having the teething pains one expects from a blank-sheet design, and had one all-souls loss entirely not the aircraft or engines' fault. Still, the Superjet soldiers on, and it is closing some sales, with 300 orders on the books. Pretty spectacular for a Russian aircraft, and that's because of Boeing.
The 737 started as an RJ
The famous and popular -800, -900, -8 and -9 stretch so far beyond original design concepts that they actually have tail-strike risks.
- The 737-100 seated 85 passengers and was 94' long.
- The 737-200 (original), -500 (Classic), and -600 (NG) are all ~102' long and seat about 100. This size has not been continued in the 737 Max, so this is Boeing abandoning the "RJ" 737. Nonetheless, Boeing has the designs, and I am sure Boeing cheerfully sell -600s or even "Max 6"s if enough airlines wanted an RJ co-qualified with their bigger 737s. So far, they do not. Nor is it likely, given what a poor seller the A318 has been, and even the Max 7.
MD-95 / "717"
Boeing inherited the DC-9 as part of the McDonnell-Douglas merger (which was mostly about military aircraft). This could have been their RJ, but they failed to continue developing it. though, so we don't have a "717 Max 4" or anything (couple of GE Passports, wouldn't that be nice!)
Boeing also passed on opportunities to gain an RJ via acqusition of Fokker or Canadair. The Sukhoi toe-dip is as close as they've gotten.
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Other answers have noted the history of both the 727 and 737, which started as small regional jets, but grew due to demands from established customers. Regional jets, by contrast, tend to be flown by smaller, regional airlines that transitioned from turboprops (such as the the Bombardier Dash 8) and consequently went to the same manufacturer when they wanted to transition to a regional jet.
To directly answer the question, Boeing apparently did not develop their own regional jet in-house because:
- They believed it would detract from the development of other aircraft that had more profit potential (the 737-MAX and 787 in recent years), and
- Their history with smaller 727's and 737's and the inherited 717 indicated there was an insufficient market for such aircraft.
Instead, when it was finally apparent to them that they needed a regional jet, they elected to make a buy-versus-build decision and entered into a majority stock purchase of Embraer (after the Brazilian government made it clear that an outright acquisition was out of the question). This keeps the development isolated, hence addressing the first concern, and limits their exposure, hence addressing the second concern.
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Other answers have noted the history of both the 727 and 737, which started as small regional jets, but grew due to demands from established customers. Regional jets, by contrast, tend to be flown by smaller, regional airlines that transitioned from turboprops (such as the the Bombardier Dash 8) and consequently went to the same manufacturer when they wanted to transition to a regional jet.
To directly answer the question, Boeing apparently did not develop their own regional jet in-house because:
- They believed it would detract from the development of other aircraft that had more profit potential (the 737-MAX and 787 in recent years), and
- Their history with smaller 727's and 737's and the inherited 717 indicated there was an insufficient market for such aircraft.
Instead, when it was finally apparent to them that they needed a regional jet, they elected to make a buy-versus-build decision and entered into a majority stock purchase of Embraer (after the Brazilian government made it clear that an outright acquisition was out of the question). This keeps the development isolated, hence addressing the first concern, and limits their exposure, hence addressing the second concern.
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Other answers have noted the history of both the 727 and 737, which started as small regional jets, but grew due to demands from established customers. Regional jets, by contrast, tend to be flown by smaller, regional airlines that transitioned from turboprops (such as the the Bombardier Dash 8) and consequently went to the same manufacturer when they wanted to transition to a regional jet.
To directly answer the question, Boeing apparently did not develop their own regional jet in-house because:
- They believed it would detract from the development of other aircraft that had more profit potential (the 737-MAX and 787 in recent years), and
- Their history with smaller 727's and 737's and the inherited 717 indicated there was an insufficient market for such aircraft.
Instead, when it was finally apparent to them that they needed a regional jet, they elected to make a buy-versus-build decision and entered into a majority stock purchase of Embraer (after the Brazilian government made it clear that an outright acquisition was out of the question). This keeps the development isolated, hence addressing the first concern, and limits their exposure, hence addressing the second concern.
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Other answers have noted the history of both the 727 and 737, which started as small regional jets, but grew due to demands from established customers. Regional jets, by contrast, tend to be flown by smaller, regional airlines that transitioned from turboprops (such as the the Bombardier Dash 8) and consequently went to the same manufacturer when they wanted to transition to a regional jet.
To directly answer the question, Boeing apparently did not develop their own regional jet in-house because:
- They believed it would detract from the development of other aircraft that had more profit potential (the 737-MAX and 787 in recent years), and
- Their history with smaller 727's and 737's and the inherited 717 indicated there was an insufficient market for such aircraft.
Instead, when it was finally apparent to them that they needed a regional jet, they elected to make a buy-versus-build decision and entered into a majority stock purchase of Embraer (after the Brazilian government made it clear that an outright acquisition was out of the question). This keeps the development isolated, hence addressing the first concern, and limits their exposure, hence addressing the second concern.
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If by 'RJ' you mean a large business jet (e.g. Global Express, etc) setup for passenger use, I think Boeing felt this was a fad. RJ's have gone in and out of popularity a couple of times. Whenever fuel prices climb, out go the RJ's, back come the turboprops...
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If by "large business jet", you mean a regional jet set up for business use... ;-) More seriously, though, do you have any evidence that this was Boeing's reasoning? We're looking for something more concrete than "some guy on the internet thinks Boeing thinks that XYZ." And, if it is a fad, it's been a very profitable one for Bombardier (1800 CRJs delivered) and Embraer (1200 ERJs and 1500 E-Jets) over the last 25 years.
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If by 'RJ' you mean a large business jet (e.g. Global Express, etc) setup for passenger use, I think Boeing felt this was a fad. RJ's have gone in and out of popularity a couple of times. Whenever fuel prices climb, out go the RJ's, back come the turboprops...
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If by "large business jet", you mean a regional jet set up for business use... ;-) More seriously, though, do you have any evidence that this was Boeing's reasoning? We're looking for something more concrete than "some guy on the internet thinks Boeing thinks that XYZ." And, if it is a fad, it's been a very profitable one for Bombardier (1800 CRJs delivered) and Embraer (1200 ERJs and 1500 E-Jets) over the last 25 years.
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– David Richerby
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If by 'RJ' you mean a large business jet (e.g. Global Express, etc) setup for passenger use, I think Boeing felt this was a fad. RJ's have gone in and out of popularity a couple of times. Whenever fuel prices climb, out go the RJ's, back come the turboprops...
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If by 'RJ' you mean a large business jet (e.g. Global Express, etc) setup for passenger use, I think Boeing felt this was a fad. RJ's have gone in and out of popularity a couple of times. Whenever fuel prices climb, out go the RJ's, back come the turboprops...
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If by "large business jet", you mean a regional jet set up for business use... ;-) More seriously, though, do you have any evidence that this was Boeing's reasoning? We're looking for something more concrete than "some guy on the internet thinks Boeing thinks that XYZ." And, if it is a fad, it's been a very profitable one for Bombardier (1800 CRJs delivered) and Embraer (1200 ERJs and 1500 E-Jets) over the last 25 years.
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– David Richerby
4 hours ago
add a comment |
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If by "large business jet", you mean a regional jet set up for business use... ;-) More seriously, though, do you have any evidence that this was Boeing's reasoning? We're looking for something more concrete than "some guy on the internet thinks Boeing thinks that XYZ." And, if it is a fad, it's been a very profitable one for Bombardier (1800 CRJs delivered) and Embraer (1200 ERJs and 1500 E-Jets) over the last 25 years.
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– David Richerby
4 hours ago
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If by "large business jet", you mean a regional jet set up for business use... ;-) More seriously, though, do you have any evidence that this was Boeing's reasoning? We're looking for something more concrete than "some guy on the internet thinks Boeing thinks that XYZ." And, if it is a fad, it's been a very profitable one for Bombardier (1800 CRJs delivered) and Embraer (1200 ERJs and 1500 E-Jets) over the last 25 years.
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– David Richerby
4 hours ago
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If by "large business jet", you mean a regional jet set up for business use... ;-) More seriously, though, do you have any evidence that this was Boeing's reasoning? We're looking for something more concrete than "some guy on the internet thinks Boeing thinks that XYZ." And, if it is a fad, it's been a very profitable one for Bombardier (1800 CRJs delivered) and Embraer (1200 ERJs and 1500 E-Jets) over the last 25 years.
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– David Richerby
4 hours ago
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This is just a guess, but seeing as the first DC-9 was produced in 1965 and the first 737 was produced in 1966, it would be unlikely that Boeing would design a slightly smaller plane in parallel with the 737 and possibly compete with themselves.
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– selectstriker2
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