Does wishing a spell glyph into existence also require casting the stored spell?
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Suppose I want to use wish to cast an 8th-level glyph of warding (for free) and store a spell in it. Do I still need to supply the spell to be stored by casting it using another one of my spell slots? If so, this would limit me to only storing spells I can cast, and would require expending a second spell slot as normal.
Or does the wish spell take care of all of that, allowing me to wish the ward into existence with only a 9th level spell slot and choose any valid spell from any class's spell list?
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Suppose I want to use wish to cast an 8th-level glyph of warding (for free) and store a spell in it. Do I still need to supply the spell to be stored by casting it using another one of my spell slots? If so, this would limit me to only storing spells I can cast, and would require expending a second spell slot as normal.
Or does the wish spell take care of all of that, allowing me to wish the ward into existence with only a 9th level spell slot and choose any valid spell from any class's spell list?
dnd-5e spells wish
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Suppose I want to use wish to cast an 8th-level glyph of warding (for free) and store a spell in it. Do I still need to supply the spell to be stored by casting it using another one of my spell slots? If so, this would limit me to only storing spells I can cast, and would require expending a second spell slot as normal.
Or does the wish spell take care of all of that, allowing me to wish the ward into existence with only a 9th level spell slot and choose any valid spell from any class's spell list?
dnd-5e spells wish
edited Nov 30 at 19:51
Rubiksmoose
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asked Nov 30 at 19:06
Ryan Thompson
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Suppose I want to use wish to cast an 8th-level glyph of warding (for free) and store a spell in it. Do I still need to supply the spell to be stored by casting it using another one of my spell slots? If so, this would limit me to only storing spells I can cast, and would require expending a second spell slot as normal.
Or does the wish spell take care of all of that, allowing me to wish the ward into existence with only a 9th level spell slot and choose any valid spell from any class's spell list?
dnd-5e spells wish
dnd-5e spells wish
edited Nov 30 at 19:51
Rubiksmoose
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asked Nov 30 at 19:06
Ryan Thompson
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edited Nov 30 at 19:51
Rubiksmoose
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asked Nov 30 at 19:06
Ryan Thompson
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edited Nov 30 at 19:51
Rubiksmoose
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edited Nov 30 at 19:51
Rubiksmoose
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edited Nov 30 at 19:51
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It depends on how you use the Wish
Wish has, principally, two different classes of use:
- Duplicate the effects of a spell
- Cause something else to happen; take backlash damage from the Stress of the spell
This means that, in practice, you have two options for bringing a Glyph of Warding into existence:
- Duplicate a Glyph of Warding spell exactly as written, meaning you still need to use the second spell slot and are limited to providing only spells that you are capable of preparing (and have prepared at the time you cast Wish
- Create a Glyph of Warding with whatever spell you want (and maybe an additional effect? It's your wish...), no longer needing to spend the second spell slot or have the spell prepared; take backlash damage from the Stress of the spell.
There is one wrinkle in the former use of the Wish though:
The basic use of this spell is to duplicate any other spell of 8th level or lower. You don't need to meet any requirements in that spell, including costly components. The spell simply takes effect.
What, exactly, constitutes a "Requirement ignored by Wish" is the subject of considerable debate. Based on that post, Requirements is here intended to refer to things like cast-time, material components, spell lists, preparation, etc.. I don't think it would permit you to ignore the requirements to
- Have the spell that you plan to place within the Glyph prepared
- Be capable of spending the necessary spell slot to cast the spell you plan to place in the Glyph
Unless, of course, your DM decides to rule that those requirements can be handwaved as part of the "ignore the spell's requirements" stipulation.
answered Nov 30 at 19:30
Xirema
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I probably could have been a bit more explicit about it, but I'm specifically asking about the "duplicate an 8th level spell" usage.
– Ryan Thompson
Nov 30 at 19:44
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@RyanThompson Which is fair; I'm pointing out however that there's nothing stopping you from using the "do something else" portion of a Wish's power to "duplicate a spell, except for this one aspect of the spell I want to change..."
– Xirema
Nov 30 at 19:46
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1 Answer
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
20
down vote
accepted
It depends on how you use the Wish
Wish has, principally, two different classes of use:
- Duplicate the effects of a spell
- Cause something else to happen; take backlash damage from the Stress of the spell
This means that, in practice, you have two options for bringing a Glyph of Warding into existence:
- Duplicate a Glyph of Warding spell exactly as written, meaning you still need to use the second spell slot and are limited to providing only spells that you are capable of preparing (and have prepared at the time you cast Wish
- Create a Glyph of Warding with whatever spell you want (and maybe an additional effect? It's your wish...), no longer needing to spend the second spell slot or have the spell prepared; take backlash damage from the Stress of the spell.
There is one wrinkle in the former use of the Wish though:
The basic use of this spell is to duplicate any other spell of 8th level or lower. You don't need to meet any requirements in that spell, including costly components. The spell simply takes effect.
What, exactly, constitutes a "Requirement ignored by Wish" is the subject of considerable debate. Based on that post, Requirements is here intended to refer to things like cast-time, material components, spell lists, preparation, etc.. I don't think it would permit you to ignore the requirements to
- Have the spell that you plan to place within the Glyph prepared
- Be capable of spending the necessary spell slot to cast the spell you plan to place in the Glyph
Unless, of course, your DM decides to rule that those requirements can be handwaved as part of the "ignore the spell's requirements" stipulation.
answered Nov 30 at 19:30
Xirema
13.6k24083
I probably could have been a bit more explicit about it, but I'm specifically asking about the "duplicate an 8th level spell" usage.
– Ryan Thompson
Nov 30 at 19:44
4
@RyanThompson Which is fair; I'm pointing out however that there's nothing stopping you from using the "do something else" portion of a Wish's power to "duplicate a spell, except for this one aspect of the spell I want to change..."
– Xirema
Nov 30 at 19:46
add a comment |
up vote
20
down vote
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It depends on how you use the Wish
Wish has, principally, two different classes of use:
- Duplicate the effects of a spell
- Cause something else to happen; take backlash damage from the Stress of the spell
This means that, in practice, you have two options for bringing a Glyph of Warding into existence:
- Duplicate a Glyph of Warding spell exactly as written, meaning you still need to use the second spell slot and are limited to providing only spells that you are capable of preparing (and have prepared at the time you cast Wish
- Create a Glyph of Warding with whatever spell you want (and maybe an additional effect? It's your wish...), no longer needing to spend the second spell slot or have the spell prepared; take backlash damage from the Stress of the spell.
There is one wrinkle in the former use of the Wish though:
The basic use of this spell is to duplicate any other spell of 8th level or lower. You don't need to meet any requirements in that spell, including costly components. The spell simply takes effect.
What, exactly, constitutes a "Requirement ignored by Wish" is the subject of considerable debate. Based on that post, Requirements is here intended to refer to things like cast-time, material components, spell lists, preparation, etc.. I don't think it would permit you to ignore the requirements to
- Have the spell that you plan to place within the Glyph prepared
- Be capable of spending the necessary spell slot to cast the spell you plan to place in the Glyph
Unless, of course, your DM decides to rule that those requirements can be handwaved as part of the "ignore the spell's requirements" stipulation.
answered Nov 30 at 19:30
Xirema
13.6k24083
I probably could have been a bit more explicit about it, but I'm specifically asking about the "duplicate an 8th level spell" usage.
– Ryan Thompson
Nov 30 at 19:44
4
@RyanThompson Which is fair; I'm pointing out however that there's nothing stopping you from using the "do something else" portion of a Wish's power to "duplicate a spell, except for this one aspect of the spell I want to change..."
– Xirema
Nov 30 at 19:46
add a comment |
up vote
20
down vote
accepted
up vote
20
down vote
accepted
It depends on how you use the Wish
Wish has, principally, two different classes of use:
- Duplicate the effects of a spell
- Cause something else to happen; take backlash damage from the Stress of the spell
This means that, in practice, you have two options for bringing a Glyph of Warding into existence:
- Duplicate a Glyph of Warding spell exactly as written, meaning you still need to use the second spell slot and are limited to providing only spells that you are capable of preparing (and have prepared at the time you cast Wish
- Create a Glyph of Warding with whatever spell you want (and maybe an additional effect? It's your wish...), no longer needing to spend the second spell slot or have the spell prepared; take backlash damage from the Stress of the spell.
There is one wrinkle in the former use of the Wish though:
The basic use of this spell is to duplicate any other spell of 8th level or lower. You don't need to meet any requirements in that spell, including costly components. The spell simply takes effect.
What, exactly, constitutes a "Requirement ignored by Wish" is the subject of considerable debate. Based on that post, Requirements is here intended to refer to things like cast-time, material components, spell lists, preparation, etc.. I don't think it would permit you to ignore the requirements to
- Have the spell that you plan to place within the Glyph prepared
- Be capable of spending the necessary spell slot to cast the spell you plan to place in the Glyph
Unless, of course, your DM decides to rule that those requirements can be handwaved as part of the "ignore the spell's requirements" stipulation.
answered Nov 30 at 19:30
Xirema
13.6k24083
It depends on how you use the Wish
Wish has, principally, two different classes of use:
- Duplicate the effects of a spell
- Cause something else to happen; take backlash damage from the Stress of the spell
This means that, in practice, you have two options for bringing a Glyph of Warding into existence:
- Duplicate a Glyph of Warding spell exactly as written, meaning you still need to use the second spell slot and are limited to providing only spells that you are capable of preparing (and have prepared at the time you cast Wish
- Create a Glyph of Warding with whatever spell you want (and maybe an additional effect? It's your wish...), no longer needing to spend the second spell slot or have the spell prepared; take backlash damage from the Stress of the spell.
There is one wrinkle in the former use of the Wish though:
The basic use of this spell is to duplicate any other spell of 8th level or lower. You don't need to meet any requirements in that spell, including costly components. The spell simply takes effect.
What, exactly, constitutes a "Requirement ignored by Wish" is the subject of considerable debate. Based on that post, Requirements is here intended to refer to things like cast-time, material components, spell lists, preparation, etc.. I don't think it would permit you to ignore the requirements to
- Have the spell that you plan to place within the Glyph prepared
- Be capable of spending the necessary spell slot to cast the spell you plan to place in the Glyph
Unless, of course, your DM decides to rule that those requirements can be handwaved as part of the "ignore the spell's requirements" stipulation.
answered Nov 30 at 19:30
Xirema
13.6k24083
edited Nov 30 at 19:42
answered Nov 30 at 19:30
Xirema
13.6k24083
answered Nov 30 at 19:30
Xirema
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answered Nov 30 at 19:30
Xirema
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I probably could have been a bit more explicit about it, but I'm specifically asking about the "duplicate an 8th level spell" usage.
– Ryan Thompson
Nov 30 at 19:44
4
@RyanThompson Which is fair; I'm pointing out however that there's nothing stopping you from using the "do something else" portion of a Wish's power to "duplicate a spell, except for this one aspect of the spell I want to change..."
– Xirema
Nov 30 at 19:46
add a comment |
I probably could have been a bit more explicit about it, but I'm specifically asking about the "duplicate an 8th level spell" usage.
– Ryan Thompson
Nov 30 at 19:44
4
@RyanThompson Which is fair; I'm pointing out however that there's nothing stopping you from using the "do something else" portion of a Wish's power to "duplicate a spell, except for this one aspect of the spell I want to change..."
– Xirema
Nov 30 at 19:46
I probably could have been a bit more explicit about it, but I'm specifically asking about the "duplicate an 8th level spell" usage.
– Ryan Thompson
Nov 30 at 19:44
I probably could have been a bit more explicit about it, but I'm specifically asking about the "duplicate an 8th level spell" usage.
– Ryan Thompson
Nov 30 at 19:44
4
4
@RyanThompson Which is fair; I'm pointing out however that there's nothing stopping you from using the "do something else" portion of a Wish's power to "duplicate a spell, except for this one aspect of the spell I want to change..."
– Xirema
Nov 30 at 19:46
@RyanThompson Which is fair; I'm pointing out however that there's nothing stopping you from using the "do something else" portion of a Wish's power to "duplicate a spell, except for this one aspect of the spell I want to change..."
– Xirema
Nov 30 at 19:46
add a comment |
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