What is the origin of the phrase “when life gives you lemons, make lemonade”?












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I tried to find the etymology of the cliche "when life gives you lemons, make lemonade" on the Internet, but so far I haven't had any luck. It won't even tell me if it's a maxim or not.










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I tried to find the etymology of the cliche "when life gives you lemons, make lemonade" on the Internet, but so far I haven't had any luck. It won't even tell me if it's a maxim or not.










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    Can you have an etymology of a cliche?

    – Benjol
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  • You have to look up "origin" or "history" for phrases, idioms and proverbs.

    – Mari-Lou A
    Dec 9 '17 at 12:00














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I tried to find the etymology of the cliche "when life gives you lemons, make lemonade" on the Internet, but so far I haven't had any luck. It won't even tell me if it's a maxim or not.










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    Can you have an etymology of a cliche?

    – Benjol
    May 16 '11 at 9:56











  • You have to look up "origin" or "history" for phrases, idioms and proverbs.

    – Mari-Lou A
    Dec 9 '17 at 12:00














  • 2





    Can you have an etymology of a cliche?

    – Benjol
    May 16 '11 at 9:56











  • You have to look up "origin" or "history" for phrases, idioms and proverbs.

    – Mari-Lou A
    Dec 9 '17 at 12:00








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Can you have an etymology of a cliche?

– Benjol
May 16 '11 at 9:56





Can you have an etymology of a cliche?

– Benjol
May 16 '11 at 9:56













You have to look up "origin" or "history" for phrases, idioms and proverbs.

– Mari-Lou A
Dec 9 '17 at 12:00





You have to look up "origin" or "history" for phrases, idioms and proverbs.

– Mari-Lou A
Dec 9 '17 at 12:00










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Dale Carnegie popularized the cliché, but I found it in print five years prior to Carnegie's first publication. This is from a sidebar of maxims in a men's clothing advertising periodical called Men's Wear, 1908/09:




In business turn obstacles into conveniences. When handed a lemon—make lemonade of it.




This reference most likely precludes Carnegie from being the phrase's progenitor as he was selling lard at the time of its publication.



It seems Carnegie did not use the phrase in print until his last of six books, published in 1948, How to Stop Worrying and Start Living, in which he has a chapter titled "If You Have a Lemon, Make a Lemonade" that ends with his Rule #6:




When fate hands us a lemon, let's try to make a lemonade.







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  • The Men's Wear book actually appears to be from 1910: search for 1910 in the book, and you'll find a New Years greeting from that year.

    – Peter Shor
    Apr 26 '11 at 10:59











  • @Peter: Read the first paragraph of that greeting.

    – Callithumpian
    Apr 26 '11 at 11:53











  • @hippietrail: My "selling lard" link goes to the same place, but your placement makes more sense. Thanks.

    – Callithumpian
    May 16 '11 at 11:57











  • You're welcom Callithumpian - sorry I didn't spot your link.

    – hippietrail
    May 16 '11 at 12:03











  • Carnegie used the meaning of "lemon" as a useless item, and linked it back to its original meaning as a useful fruit. What I don't know is where the "useless item" meaning came from. Hence: english.stackexchange.com/questions/53509/…

    – slim
    Jan 3 '12 at 16:22



















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It is widely attributed to Dale Carnegie. There's a wikipedia entry for it. It may be older than him, and he may have merely popularized it. Google "carnegie lemonade" and see what shakes out for you.






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  • +1; I was unable to find an actual source, but the original Carnegie quote appears to be "When fate hands you a lemon, make lemonade."

    – MrHen
    Apr 25 '11 at 17:28











  • @MrHen: Right. Normally I would post a link, but none of them seemed authoritative enough to label as a solid cite. Nevertheless, it does appear that the quote is widely attributed to Carnegie. Before looking, I was half expecting Erma Bombeck to be the source.

    – The Raven
    Apr 25 '11 at 17:34











  • I did find one person thinking it was H.J. Whitley but no other hits for that search at all.

    – MrHen
    Apr 25 '11 at 17:40











  • Lemonade should be stirred, not shaken.

    – Hot Licks
    Mar 31 at 20:34



















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Actually, the saying is originally attributed to Elbert Hubbard:
"A genius is a man who takes the lemons that Fate hands him and starts a lemonade stand with them."
(Reader's Digest, October 1927) ref



However, the saying is usually credited to Dale Carnegie, who published it as:
"When fate hands us a lemon let's try to make a lemonade."
(Rule #6, at the end of Chapter 17 in Carnegie's "How to Stop Worrying and Start Living" published in 1948)



EDIT: Probing a little further, I acquired the October, 1927 "Reader's Digest". As foretold, I discovered Hubbard's "lemon quote", right there on page 343, borrowed from "The Independent".






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    It was H J Whitley who the phrase was coined about. In the early 1900 he bought 500 acres in the heart of Hollywood. He turned lemon orchards into Hollywood. At a banquet his business partners toasted him saying if life gives you lemons make lemonade.






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    Dale Carnegie popularized the cliché, but I found it in print five years prior to Carnegie's first publication. This is from a sidebar of maxims in a men's clothing advertising periodical called Men's Wear, 1908/09:




    In business turn obstacles into conveniences. When handed a lemon—make lemonade of it.




    This reference most likely precludes Carnegie from being the phrase's progenitor as he was selling lard at the time of its publication.



    It seems Carnegie did not use the phrase in print until his last of six books, published in 1948, How to Stop Worrying and Start Living, in which he has a chapter titled "If You Have a Lemon, Make a Lemonade" that ends with his Rule #6:




    When fate hands us a lemon, let's try to make a lemonade.







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    • The Men's Wear book actually appears to be from 1910: search for 1910 in the book, and you'll find a New Years greeting from that year.

      – Peter Shor
      Apr 26 '11 at 10:59











    • @Peter: Read the first paragraph of that greeting.

      – Callithumpian
      Apr 26 '11 at 11:53











    • @hippietrail: My "selling lard" link goes to the same place, but your placement makes more sense. Thanks.

      – Callithumpian
      May 16 '11 at 11:57











    • You're welcom Callithumpian - sorry I didn't spot your link.

      – hippietrail
      May 16 '11 at 12:03











    • Carnegie used the meaning of "lemon" as a useless item, and linked it back to its original meaning as a useful fruit. What I don't know is where the "useless item" meaning came from. Hence: english.stackexchange.com/questions/53509/…

      – slim
      Jan 3 '12 at 16:22
















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    Dale Carnegie popularized the cliché, but I found it in print five years prior to Carnegie's first publication. This is from a sidebar of maxims in a men's clothing advertising periodical called Men's Wear, 1908/09:




    In business turn obstacles into conveniences. When handed a lemon—make lemonade of it.




    This reference most likely precludes Carnegie from being the phrase's progenitor as he was selling lard at the time of its publication.



    It seems Carnegie did not use the phrase in print until his last of six books, published in 1948, How to Stop Worrying and Start Living, in which he has a chapter titled "If You Have a Lemon, Make a Lemonade" that ends with his Rule #6:




    When fate hands us a lemon, let's try to make a lemonade.







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    • The Men's Wear book actually appears to be from 1910: search for 1910 in the book, and you'll find a New Years greeting from that year.

      – Peter Shor
      Apr 26 '11 at 10:59











    • @Peter: Read the first paragraph of that greeting.

      – Callithumpian
      Apr 26 '11 at 11:53











    • @hippietrail: My "selling lard" link goes to the same place, but your placement makes more sense. Thanks.

      – Callithumpian
      May 16 '11 at 11:57











    • You're welcom Callithumpian - sorry I didn't spot your link.

      – hippietrail
      May 16 '11 at 12:03











    • Carnegie used the meaning of "lemon" as a useless item, and linked it back to its original meaning as a useful fruit. What I don't know is where the "useless item" meaning came from. Hence: english.stackexchange.com/questions/53509/…

      – slim
      Jan 3 '12 at 16:22














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    Dale Carnegie popularized the cliché, but I found it in print five years prior to Carnegie's first publication. This is from a sidebar of maxims in a men's clothing advertising periodical called Men's Wear, 1908/09:




    In business turn obstacles into conveniences. When handed a lemon—make lemonade of it.




    This reference most likely precludes Carnegie from being the phrase's progenitor as he was selling lard at the time of its publication.



    It seems Carnegie did not use the phrase in print until his last of six books, published in 1948, How to Stop Worrying and Start Living, in which he has a chapter titled "If You Have a Lemon, Make a Lemonade" that ends with his Rule #6:




    When fate hands us a lemon, let's try to make a lemonade.







    share|improve this answer















    Dale Carnegie popularized the cliché, but I found it in print five years prior to Carnegie's first publication. This is from a sidebar of maxims in a men's clothing advertising periodical called Men's Wear, 1908/09:




    In business turn obstacles into conveniences. When handed a lemon—make lemonade of it.




    This reference most likely precludes Carnegie from being the phrase's progenitor as he was selling lard at the time of its publication.



    It seems Carnegie did not use the phrase in print until his last of six books, published in 1948, How to Stop Worrying and Start Living, in which he has a chapter titled "If You Have a Lemon, Make a Lemonade" that ends with his Rule #6:




    When fate hands us a lemon, let's try to make a lemonade.








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    • The Men's Wear book actually appears to be from 1910: search for 1910 in the book, and you'll find a New Years greeting from that year.

      – Peter Shor
      Apr 26 '11 at 10:59











    • @Peter: Read the first paragraph of that greeting.

      – Callithumpian
      Apr 26 '11 at 11:53











    • @hippietrail: My "selling lard" link goes to the same place, but your placement makes more sense. Thanks.

      – Callithumpian
      May 16 '11 at 11:57











    • You're welcom Callithumpian - sorry I didn't spot your link.

      – hippietrail
      May 16 '11 at 12:03











    • Carnegie used the meaning of "lemon" as a useless item, and linked it back to its original meaning as a useful fruit. What I don't know is where the "useless item" meaning came from. Hence: english.stackexchange.com/questions/53509/…

      – slim
      Jan 3 '12 at 16:22



















    • The Men's Wear book actually appears to be from 1910: search for 1910 in the book, and you'll find a New Years greeting from that year.

      – Peter Shor
      Apr 26 '11 at 10:59











    • @Peter: Read the first paragraph of that greeting.

      – Callithumpian
      Apr 26 '11 at 11:53











    • @hippietrail: My "selling lard" link goes to the same place, but your placement makes more sense. Thanks.

      – Callithumpian
      May 16 '11 at 11:57











    • You're welcom Callithumpian - sorry I didn't spot your link.

      – hippietrail
      May 16 '11 at 12:03











    • Carnegie used the meaning of "lemon" as a useless item, and linked it back to its original meaning as a useful fruit. What I don't know is where the "useless item" meaning came from. Hence: english.stackexchange.com/questions/53509/…

      – slim
      Jan 3 '12 at 16:22

















    The Men's Wear book actually appears to be from 1910: search for 1910 in the book, and you'll find a New Years greeting from that year.

    – Peter Shor
    Apr 26 '11 at 10:59





    The Men's Wear book actually appears to be from 1910: search for 1910 in the book, and you'll find a New Years greeting from that year.

    – Peter Shor
    Apr 26 '11 at 10:59













    @Peter: Read the first paragraph of that greeting.

    – Callithumpian
    Apr 26 '11 at 11:53





    @Peter: Read the first paragraph of that greeting.

    – Callithumpian
    Apr 26 '11 at 11:53













    @hippietrail: My "selling lard" link goes to the same place, but your placement makes more sense. Thanks.

    – Callithumpian
    May 16 '11 at 11:57





    @hippietrail: My "selling lard" link goes to the same place, but your placement makes more sense. Thanks.

    – Callithumpian
    May 16 '11 at 11:57













    You're welcom Callithumpian - sorry I didn't spot your link.

    – hippietrail
    May 16 '11 at 12:03





    You're welcom Callithumpian - sorry I didn't spot your link.

    – hippietrail
    May 16 '11 at 12:03













    Carnegie used the meaning of "lemon" as a useless item, and linked it back to its original meaning as a useful fruit. What I don't know is where the "useless item" meaning came from. Hence: english.stackexchange.com/questions/53509/…

    – slim
    Jan 3 '12 at 16:22





    Carnegie used the meaning of "lemon" as a useless item, and linked it back to its original meaning as a useful fruit. What I don't know is where the "useless item" meaning came from. Hence: english.stackexchange.com/questions/53509/…

    – slim
    Jan 3 '12 at 16:22













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    It is widely attributed to Dale Carnegie. There's a wikipedia entry for it. It may be older than him, and he may have merely popularized it. Google "carnegie lemonade" and see what shakes out for you.






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    • +1; I was unable to find an actual source, but the original Carnegie quote appears to be "When fate hands you a lemon, make lemonade."

      – MrHen
      Apr 25 '11 at 17:28











    • @MrHen: Right. Normally I would post a link, but none of them seemed authoritative enough to label as a solid cite. Nevertheless, it does appear that the quote is widely attributed to Carnegie. Before looking, I was half expecting Erma Bombeck to be the source.

      – The Raven
      Apr 25 '11 at 17:34











    • I did find one person thinking it was H.J. Whitley but no other hits for that search at all.

      – MrHen
      Apr 25 '11 at 17:40











    • Lemonade should be stirred, not shaken.

      – Hot Licks
      Mar 31 at 20:34
















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    It is widely attributed to Dale Carnegie. There's a wikipedia entry for it. It may be older than him, and he may have merely popularized it. Google "carnegie lemonade" and see what shakes out for you.






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    • +1; I was unable to find an actual source, but the original Carnegie quote appears to be "When fate hands you a lemon, make lemonade."

      – MrHen
      Apr 25 '11 at 17:28











    • @MrHen: Right. Normally I would post a link, but none of them seemed authoritative enough to label as a solid cite. Nevertheless, it does appear that the quote is widely attributed to Carnegie. Before looking, I was half expecting Erma Bombeck to be the source.

      – The Raven
      Apr 25 '11 at 17:34











    • I did find one person thinking it was H.J. Whitley but no other hits for that search at all.

      – MrHen
      Apr 25 '11 at 17:40











    • Lemonade should be stirred, not shaken.

      – Hot Licks
      Mar 31 at 20:34














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    It is widely attributed to Dale Carnegie. There's a wikipedia entry for it. It may be older than him, and he may have merely popularized it. Google "carnegie lemonade" and see what shakes out for you.






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    It is widely attributed to Dale Carnegie. There's a wikipedia entry for it. It may be older than him, and he may have merely popularized it. Google "carnegie lemonade" and see what shakes out for you.







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    • +1; I was unable to find an actual source, but the original Carnegie quote appears to be "When fate hands you a lemon, make lemonade."

      – MrHen
      Apr 25 '11 at 17:28











    • @MrHen: Right. Normally I would post a link, but none of them seemed authoritative enough to label as a solid cite. Nevertheless, it does appear that the quote is widely attributed to Carnegie. Before looking, I was half expecting Erma Bombeck to be the source.

      – The Raven
      Apr 25 '11 at 17:34











    • I did find one person thinking it was H.J. Whitley but no other hits for that search at all.

      – MrHen
      Apr 25 '11 at 17:40











    • Lemonade should be stirred, not shaken.

      – Hot Licks
      Mar 31 at 20:34



















    • +1; I was unable to find an actual source, but the original Carnegie quote appears to be "When fate hands you a lemon, make lemonade."

      – MrHen
      Apr 25 '11 at 17:28











    • @MrHen: Right. Normally I would post a link, but none of them seemed authoritative enough to label as a solid cite. Nevertheless, it does appear that the quote is widely attributed to Carnegie. Before looking, I was half expecting Erma Bombeck to be the source.

      – The Raven
      Apr 25 '11 at 17:34











    • I did find one person thinking it was H.J. Whitley but no other hits for that search at all.

      – MrHen
      Apr 25 '11 at 17:40











    • Lemonade should be stirred, not shaken.

      – Hot Licks
      Mar 31 at 20:34

















    +1; I was unable to find an actual source, but the original Carnegie quote appears to be "When fate hands you a lemon, make lemonade."

    – MrHen
    Apr 25 '11 at 17:28





    +1; I was unable to find an actual source, but the original Carnegie quote appears to be "When fate hands you a lemon, make lemonade."

    – MrHen
    Apr 25 '11 at 17:28













    @MrHen: Right. Normally I would post a link, but none of them seemed authoritative enough to label as a solid cite. Nevertheless, it does appear that the quote is widely attributed to Carnegie. Before looking, I was half expecting Erma Bombeck to be the source.

    – The Raven
    Apr 25 '11 at 17:34





    @MrHen: Right. Normally I would post a link, but none of them seemed authoritative enough to label as a solid cite. Nevertheless, it does appear that the quote is widely attributed to Carnegie. Before looking, I was half expecting Erma Bombeck to be the source.

    – The Raven
    Apr 25 '11 at 17:34













    I did find one person thinking it was H.J. Whitley but no other hits for that search at all.

    – MrHen
    Apr 25 '11 at 17:40





    I did find one person thinking it was H.J. Whitley but no other hits for that search at all.

    – MrHen
    Apr 25 '11 at 17:40













    Lemonade should be stirred, not shaken.

    – Hot Licks
    Mar 31 at 20:34





    Lemonade should be stirred, not shaken.

    – Hot Licks
    Mar 31 at 20:34











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    Actually, the saying is originally attributed to Elbert Hubbard:
    "A genius is a man who takes the lemons that Fate hands him and starts a lemonade stand with them."
    (Reader's Digest, October 1927) ref



    However, the saying is usually credited to Dale Carnegie, who published it as:
    "When fate hands us a lemon let's try to make a lemonade."
    (Rule #6, at the end of Chapter 17 in Carnegie's "How to Stop Worrying and Start Living" published in 1948)



    EDIT: Probing a little further, I acquired the October, 1927 "Reader's Digest". As foretold, I discovered Hubbard's "lemon quote", right there on page 343, borrowed from "The Independent".






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      Actually, the saying is originally attributed to Elbert Hubbard:
      "A genius is a man who takes the lemons that Fate hands him and starts a lemonade stand with them."
      (Reader's Digest, October 1927) ref



      However, the saying is usually credited to Dale Carnegie, who published it as:
      "When fate hands us a lemon let's try to make a lemonade."
      (Rule #6, at the end of Chapter 17 in Carnegie's "How to Stop Worrying and Start Living" published in 1948)



      EDIT: Probing a little further, I acquired the October, 1927 "Reader's Digest". As foretold, I discovered Hubbard's "lemon quote", right there on page 343, borrowed from "The Independent".






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        Actually, the saying is originally attributed to Elbert Hubbard:
        "A genius is a man who takes the lemons that Fate hands him and starts a lemonade stand with them."
        (Reader's Digest, October 1927) ref



        However, the saying is usually credited to Dale Carnegie, who published it as:
        "When fate hands us a lemon let's try to make a lemonade."
        (Rule #6, at the end of Chapter 17 in Carnegie's "How to Stop Worrying and Start Living" published in 1948)



        EDIT: Probing a little further, I acquired the October, 1927 "Reader's Digest". As foretold, I discovered Hubbard's "lemon quote", right there on page 343, borrowed from "The Independent".






        share|improve this answer















        Actually, the saying is originally attributed to Elbert Hubbard:
        "A genius is a man who takes the lemons that Fate hands him and starts a lemonade stand with them."
        (Reader's Digest, October 1927) ref



        However, the saying is usually credited to Dale Carnegie, who published it as:
        "When fate hands us a lemon let's try to make a lemonade."
        (Rule #6, at the end of Chapter 17 in Carnegie's "How to Stop Worrying and Start Living" published in 1948)



        EDIT: Probing a little further, I acquired the October, 1927 "Reader's Digest". As foretold, I discovered Hubbard's "lemon quote", right there on page 343, borrowed from "The Independent".







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            It was H J Whitley who the phrase was coined about. In the early 1900 he bought 500 acres in the heart of Hollywood. He turned lemon orchards into Hollywood. At a banquet his business partners toasted him saying if life gives you lemons make lemonade.






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            It was H J Whitley who the phrase was coined about. In the early 1900 he bought 500 acres in the heart of Hollywood. He turned lemon orchards into Hollywood. At a banquet his business partners toasted him saying if life gives you lemons make lemonade.






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            It was H J Whitley who the phrase was coined about. In the early 1900 he bought 500 acres in the heart of Hollywood. He turned lemon orchards into Hollywood. At a banquet his business partners toasted him saying if life gives you lemons make lemonade.






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            It was H J Whitley who the phrase was coined about. In the early 1900 he bought 500 acres in the heart of Hollywood. He turned lemon orchards into Hollywood. At a banquet his business partners toasted him saying if life gives you lemons make lemonade.







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